The End of the Indian Idea

[magra]

it was not one country before 1947?

not really. Pakistan meant muslims needed to have their own homeland. we got that in 1947. in 1971 East Pakistan didnt become part of India.

After 1947 separation into India and Pakistan, there had been no division of India. But Pak got divided. Clearly, you could not continue as one country merely based on religion. Whereas we remained one country based on secularism.

BJP showed Gandhi and India died when they built temples for Godse and became the government.

some random idiots praising Godse does not mean that we dont respect Gandhi. and India is much more than one man (however great).

thats right. the Kashmiris are all lying. they stabbed themselves to death with pencils.

Some Kashmiris got radicalized over the years due to constant terrorism and counter terrorism affecting them.

they tolerated you for the most part. then you rigged their election and showed Kashmir what India truly is.

Had they only tolerated, they would jumped at the first opportunity to break free. Instead they handed over their so-called liberators to Indian army in 1965.

India rewarded them with lockdowns, communication blackouts, abductions, killings, rapes (gang rape by Indian soldiers included), politicians arrested, political parties banned, pellet guns, and a whole bunch of other goodies.

I dont agree with arresting politicians and banning parties as such. That was a bad move by Modi govt.

About rapes, killings - some atrocities by the army whenever it was found, due course of law for punishment was followed. If some people did not get justice, then it is a failure of justice system, by which many Indians irrspective of religion or region have issues.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It ended when Jinnah, symbolic of the majority of the sub-continental Muslims, didn't accept the Hindutva (=Congress/RSS etc.) version of it.....

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Whereas we remained one country based on secularism.

which is clearly built on a lie. Modi, BJP, and the indian voters proved it.

some random idiots praising Godse does not mean that we dont respect Gandhi. and India is much more than one man (however great).

your ruling party making temples for Godse and calling him a patriot shows how much real love most indians have for Gandhi. you can see many indians here at pdf too cursing gandhi and nehru day and night.

Some Kashmiris got radicalized over the years due to constant terrorism and counter terrorism affecting them.

yeah, indian terrorism has that effect. but its the majority that got rose up, which why the lockdown happened.

Had they only tolerated, they would jumped at the first opportunity to break free. Instead they handed over their so-called liberators to Indian army in 1965.

had they accepted you then Kashmir wouldnt have been under lockdown.

I dont agree with arresting politicians and banning parties as such. That was a bad move by Modi govt.

it wasnt started under Modi. he is just continuing a proud indian tradition.

About rapes, killings - some atrocities by the army whenever it was found, due course of law for punishment was followed.

fu*k all happens. especially if international media doesnt cover it. that is indian law. but the world is slowly waking up to what India really is.

Kashmir mass rape victims waiting for justice: Pakistan

Feb. 23 is marked as Kashmiri Women's Resistance Day for solidarity with victims in Kunan and Poshpora villages - Anadolu Agency

www.aa.com.tr

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[magra]

which is clearly built on a lie. Modi, BJP, and the indian voters proved it.

Majority Indians voted for Modi because he was the best bet for economy at that point. Also, the opposition leader Rahul Gandhi is incompetent. Once, there is a competent credible opposition, then we may outvote Modi.

your ruling party making temples for Godse and calling him a patriot shows how much real love most indians have for Gandhi. you can see many indians here at pdf too cursing gandhi and nehru day and night.

BJP has not built any temple for Godse. A low level BJP leader may have praised him, but would have been condemned for it.
We Indians are free to curse Nehru and Gandhi for some of their mistakes. No one is perfect. They did many things right, but few things went wrong. They were human after all, so some Indians curse them. That does not mean that Godse is greater than Gandhi in Indian minds.

yeah, indian terrorism has that effect. but its the majority that got rose up, which why the lockdown happened.

Lockdown was to prevent few radicalized from doing terrorism on the majority normal Kashmiris.

if international media doesnt cover it. that is indian law.

prove that the law discriminates. Justice system is slow which is the case across India & Pakistan.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Majority Indians voted for Modi because he was the best bet for economy at that point.

lol. the jahil rural hindus of india voting for the ekaaanamy. sure.

Once, there is a competent credible opposition, then we may outvote Modi.

"may" being the crucial word. even a competent politician isnt enough to oust Modi necessarily because of hindutva, and it seems even you have realised it.

A low level BJP leader may have praised him

lol. low level.

Andhra Pradesh BJP leader calls Nathuram Godse a ‘patriot’, later deletes tweet

Andhra Pradesh Bharatiya Janata Party leader Nagothu Ramesh Naidu has stirred controversy by referring to Nathuram Godse as “patriot” on the death anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi’s assassin

www.nationalheraldindia.com

BJP MP Pragya Thakur refers to Nathuram Godse as a ‘patriot’, yet again

In May 2019, during the Lok Sabha polls, Ms. Thakur kicked up a huge row by calling Godse a patriot, but apologised for it later and withdrew the statement.

www.thehindu.com

That does not mean that Godse is greater than Gandhi in Indian minds.

hindus consider godse a god compared to gandhi. also, this is hinduism. anyone can be a god here.

Madhya Pradesh: Nathuram Godse temple has kicked up a political storm

The Hindu Mahasabha's deification of Gandhi's murderer provokes outrage, but no action.

www.indiatoday.in

Lockdown was to prevent few radicalized from doing terrorism on the majority normal Kashmiris.

welcome to india. where a so called "few" people are enough to put a whole state under lockdown.

prove that the law discriminates.

the fact that the rapists of Kashmiris get away with it is the proof.

 

[Chhatrapati]

I cant say what happened in 80's or 90's. But if I compare the present NDA govt from the previous UPA or the Vajpayee NDA govt, I see some disturbing things.

I am saying all this not to please Pakistanis. But so that we Indians look inwards to clean out our issues. If not, then Pakistan would not be pleased more. They dont fear a Hindu India but a united India.

I got nothing more to add, the issues you quote were discussed to death. It's kind of pointless to revisit them and then go back and forth.

Saying all these won't make Indians look inward, what most Indians want is not Hindutva, or giving justice to Muslims or whatever you've been saying. They want development, they don't care if it's Nazism fascism, Rastafarianism whatever fancy word you can find much less about Pakistan. Being the largest democracy got us shit, apart from the name it is. By being a full-blown party dictatorship, China went from low income to middle income in a decade.

 

[magra]

I got nothing more to add, the issues you quote were discussed to death. It's kind of pointless to revisit them and then go back and forth.

Saying all these won't make Indians look inward, what most Indians want is not Hindutva, or giving justice to Muslims or whatever you've been saying. They want development, they don't care if it's Nazism fascism, Rastafarianism whatever fancy word you can find much less about Pakistan. Being the largest democracy got us shit, apart from the name it is. By being a full-blown party dictatorship, China went from low income to middle income in a decade.

Oh, so now you brushed off all the issues I mentioned by saying that they are discussed to death. So you have no comments on those. Do you agree / disagree?

You are right in saying that most Indians want development and thats what brought Modi to power in 2014. But lately his focus has shifted more towards winning state after state elections by any means rather than on development. I would not be happy more if he starts focusing again on development. He has the capacity to do so unlike Rahul Gandhi.

So now you want dictatorship in India? What if we get someone like Idi Amin or Mugabe who end ruining the country? With dictatorship, we never know whether we will get a patriotic one or someone who would run it for his own benefit.

 

[Salik]

Jinnah's wisdom caused upheavel of 10 million people and death of a million. Plus a lifetime of enmity. A loud clap to such a wisdom.

Water is 71% of total earth's surface and has prevalent role in ecosystem. In snowfall, rain and dewdrops it shows its presence.

Hindus were in majority in British India in 1947. They didn't need any assurity or guarantee in running the state after Britain had gone. On the contrary, smaller groups like the Muslims needed some guarantee. Jinnah rahimullah came up with points regarding the role of Muslims. If accepted those points would still be functioning in the ecosystem of the newly free India. But they weren't accepted.

They dont fear a Hindu India but a united India.

Fear of Pakistan is irrelevant. The question is can India really unite. And why you have to ask this question in the first place.

Here is the root cause;

Introduction of Muslims to the Indian subcontinent was in reference with khilafat. Some of the Muslims warriors came here with the backing of khilafat, collected wealth and left. Even Mughals who stayed here and became indians had psychological backing of khilafat. End of Ottoman Khilafate was a big change regarding the position of Muslims vis-à-vis rest of the world and particularly India. If the leaders of the Indian National Congress had realized the magnitude of this change they would have accepted the proposals of Jinnah sahib because now the loyalty of Muslims was with India and within India. It was the time to integrate Muslims in society in true sense.

If that realization happens today Muslims would be living in India like in any other place. Partition would fade. Identity of subcontinent will emerge and India will consult with Pakistan in regional and global matters.