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It has been six decades since Gamal Abdel Nasser, the former president of Egypt, nationalized the Suez Canal. His message, though, still resonates: Egypt is geopolitically indispensable, and it knows it. Through the Suez Canal, the country lies at the nexus of Africa, Asia, and Europe. Since 1859, when Egyptians first began digging the Suez under French supervision, the canal has complicated ties between Cairo and the rest of the world. When Nasser nationalized the waterway in 1956, France joined forces with the United Kingdom to reacquire it. In response, Nasser sunk 40 ships, closing the waterway to all shipping.

In the two decades that followed, France became Israel’s chief foreign ally. The main forms of support were France’s sale of Fouga Magister jet fighters to Israel and its assistance with the nuclear program at Dimona. As Paris cultivated Tel Aviv as an ally, Cairo backed the anti-colonial revolt in Algeria. Meanwhile, between 1967 and 1975, the canal was closed to all shipping. As the Nasserist era ended, however, France pivoted away from Israel and began to restore its traditional trade relationship with Cairo. After Egypt and Israel signed the Camp David Accords in 1978, the Suez Canal became one of the most secured naval routes in the world, handling 7.5 percent of the world’s total ocean trade.

Now, the French-Egyptian relationship is set to deepen. France is looking to Egypt as a military partner to deal with the threat to trade from terrorist groups along with the Mediterranean migrant crisis. It is investing in turning Egypt into a major force in the region. “I believe that, given the current context, it’s very important that Egypt is able to act to uphold stability and to be in security, not only stability on its own territory, but stability in the region,” French President Francois Hollande remarked in February 2015 as his government moved to sell Cairo the latest in French military hardware and schedule a series of joint exercises.


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German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi in Cairo, March 2017.

And those were just the latest deals. Since 2015, Paris has sold four Gowind 2,500-ton corvettes—compact 335-foot escort and patrol vessels—to Egypt. These are intended for the interdiction of non-state actors, ranging from sea-faring jihadists to immigrant-loaded dinghies. Egypt has also acquired two French BPC-210 Mistral Class amphibious assault ships (BPC/LHD). These will be equipped with 50 Russian Ka-52 Alligator combat helicopters that can launch anti-tank guided missiles. Meanwhile, Egypt’s naval arsenal will have the support of a French-made reconnaissance satellite for surveillance. NATO and Egypt have established diplomatic channels to coordinate their responses to the Libyan crisis. This step is seen as creating a way to exchange intelligence about Libya and the migrant crisis.

Egypt is already France’s leading arms customer, with approximately $8 billion in annual arms and services deals. France’s 2015 sale of 25 Rafale fighter jets to Egypt alone netted France $5.9 billion. In April 2016, Egypt and France agreed on a $1.1 billion program that includes a military satellite communication system.

French assistance extends beyond equipment. Egypt’s navy has recently conducted two exercises with France: the Ramses 2016 maneuvers in March and the Cleopatra exercises in June 2016. According to Israel Defense, “the exercises included firing live ammunition to repel and destroy hostile surface and air targets and conducting refueling and supply missions. They also oversaw the launch of night-time sorties by anti-submarine helicopters.” Such maneuvers are mainly seen as counterterrorism tactics.

Sisi’s critics say that the weapons binge is more about intimidating the army’s domestic opponents than about refugees or terrorism.

Partially as a result of such investments, Cairo is now a significant player in the Mediterranean region. According to a former top Israeli national security official, “the Egyptian navy is stronger than ever before.” Egypt has one of the most highly equipped navies in the region and globally, with a fleet of 319 ships. For a long time, Egypt’s navy was fully dependent on old Soviet-era vessels; Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi’s deals are intended to change all that.

Why is France so eager to make Egypt stronger? Located on the Mediterranean as well, France has fears about the increase in terrorism and the number of immigrants crossing the sea to enter Europe. Given the disorder in most other countries in the region, Cairo is the only southern Mediterranean state that can help police the region and secure Europe’s southern borders.

The same logic guides other European powers. The United Kingdom and Egypt have conducted joint exercises counterterrorism exercises. “Britain and Egypt have opened a new page in the long and proud history of the two great navies,” British ambassador to Egypt John Casson said during his visit to the naval exercise ceremony. The occasion marked the first visit of a British ship to the Alexandria naval base in eight years because of the political unrest that Egypt faced after the 2011 revolution. “Events ebb and flow, but our shared interests are permanent and they demand constant partnership.”

Meanwhile, the military partnership with Berlin was center-stage last year with the transfer of four German submarines to the Egyptian fleet at Alexandria. And in March, German Chancellor Angela Merkel made her first visit to Egypt since 2013. In remarks during a joint press conference with Sisi, she endorsed him as Europe’s key southern Mediterranean guardian.

For Germany, the refugee crisis is key. Berlin hopes that Cairo can augment the European-Turkish deal that has blocked the Balkan route for Syrian refugees. According to one source close to Cairo, Germany wants Egypt to return refugees to the eastern coast of Libya under Egypt’s protection. Egyptian security is worried about having to protect refugees in both Egypt and Libya, which is apparently why Sisi didn’t finalize the deal with Germany.

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A German destroyer in the Suez Canal, June 2013.

Still, with Libya not sufficiently able (or willing) to head off African refugees trying to make their way to Europe, the EU is also eager to find other partners for patrol duty in the neighborhood. Enter Egypt, where despite internal economic and security issues, a powerful military stands ready to police the waters of Mediterranean for pay. After a disaster in October 2016 that resulted in the drowning of 200 of its own nationals, Cairo passed legislation to combat migration with tough sentencing penalties for boat operators and immigrant smugglers.

“If we are able to find a solution for Libya we will establish more stability in the region and the Mediterranean and this will reflect on Europe’s security,” Sisi said in a joint press conference with Merkel during her visit to Cairo. The president said that Egypt was looking at options to help deal with refugees before they end up as victims in the Mediterranean. The country has pledged to keep more from setting off to the north by sea. And Egypt’s acquisition of ships and a surveillance satellite will help it do so. It will also help address terrorism, as the southern Mediterranean is exposed to ISIS. In 2014, the group hijacked an Egyptian missile ship in the Mediterranean naval base of Damietta.


To be sure, such deals have their drawbacks. Egypt is already the leading arms importer globally among developing nations, and Sisi’s critics say that the weapons binge is more about intimidating the army’s domestic opponents than about refugees or terrorism. Maged Mandour of the Carnegie Endowment has written that the two Egyptian Mistral carriers could easily be used to control vital cities such as Alexandria, Port Said, and Suez—the first city to slip from the regime’s control in 2011—along the northern coast and the canal.

But Europeans are less concerned. “We are happy that our Egyptian counterparts agreed to ease restrictions on political foundations,” said Merkel at the joint press conference with Sisi, where she also hailed the imminent signing of an EU-Egypt association agreement aimed at framing and enshrining the Cairo’s relationship with European institutions. According to EU stats, the European Union contributes almost 75 percent of foreign direct investment in Egypt. The EU remains Egypt’s most important export market, accounting for 29.4 percent of Egyptian exports.

Turning Egypt into a major power supporting EU aims in the Mediterranean will require more EU investments in Egypt’s weakened economy and more deals to modernize and diversify Egypt’s arms sources. But doing so will also push Brussels to turn a blind eye to Cairo’s record of human rights violations and its crackdown on liberal and Islamist opposition.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...egypts-navy?cid=int-now&pgtype=hpg&region=br2
 
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"Sisi’s critics say that the weapons binge is more about intimidating the army’s domestic opponents than about refugees or terrorism."

Who are these critics? lol Sharrameet! :D Actually, there might be some....ok well, maybe A LOT of truth to that statement lol. What do they expect? This has been the tradition of Egyptian "presidents". Once they get in power they maintain a lock on it and the only way to move them out is either natural death, an assassination or a revolution. All those 3 were done in that order since the above mentioned Nasser, then Sadat and Mubarak. So naturally Sissi is going to consolidate his position and make it as strong as possible with the military's backing . By revamping the military, the military is happy. Miltary is happy, they'll protect Sissi as long as the love lasts. That was the one thing Mubarak lost control of; the military's allegiance despite his military record so Sissi's won't matter either in time. He has to keep the junta very happy to earn its undying loyalty.

The Mistrals are perfect for exactly what the article mentioned - they're not just helo carriers, more importantly for the quick transport of troops to disembark at any of the big coastal cities and control an escalating situation. On the other hand, during calm times they can very well disguise in the shade of missions such as patrolling the new gas reserves in the Mediterranean, or one can control and intercept whatever migrants crossing from Libya and the other one can easily patrol the Suez Canal and keep an eye on activities in Sinai etc. These will not be very useful in a full scale war with a capable enemy as their defensive capabilities are minimal, to say the least, especially against the latest and greatest anti-naval missiles and aircraft. So it makes a lot of sense what is seemingly going on.

Sissi won't have any problems if the economy starts to improve and works its way up and the people are happy. That will be his toughest task. If he succeeds in that (which I hope he does ISA for the sake of all Egyptians,) he'll be the hero who saved Egypt. They'll start calling him Ramses the III. He really needs to learn how to speak English for these diplomatic meetings. Malak keda ya Abdel Fatah ya rayis!? :-)
 
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Egypt is one of my favorite Arab nations. But I always have this mixed or uncertain feeling that any minute a new "revolution" could spark off. I really can't asses how stable the Sissi regime is.
 
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:coffee: Egypt feels so much like Pakistan from far away when you see their people on street (tv shows) and how they behave they kinda reminds me of Pakistanis to some extent when it comes to Patriotism
 
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I am wondering where Egypt military fund come from? Egypt r/s with Saudi has soured.
 
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I am wondering where Egypt military fund come from? Egypt r/s with Saudi has soured.
Their own money and grants from seller countries; Egypt did not purchase weapons with own money for over 20 years now, it had military aid from the US of $1.4 billion a year.. count 20 years by $2 billion budget a year, that will give you an idea, it is about $40 billion savings from which $ 10 billion went back to support the economy and here you see a purchasing power of $30 billion; $10 billion was spent on the procurement of 24 Rafale, 52 Mig-35, 46 K-52 Alligator, 2 Mistral helicopter carriers, 1 Fremm frigate and 4 Gowind 2500 corvettes, add another $2 billion for 4 German Type-209mod submarines, $1 billion for Mistral equipments, $500 million for 24 or more K-52K katran for the mistral, 2.5 $ billion for 29 Su-35, that makes it close to $16 to$18 billion in total up till now (if we add the Air defence systems), another 12 Rafale are an option and were being negotiated.. So there is still at least another $10 billion for potential procurements.. The President of Egypt Abdelfatah Sissi said lately that other big surprises are in line..
In brief it is a long due modernization of the Egyptian armed forces..
 
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Their own money and grants from seller countries; Egypt did not purchase weapons with own money for over 20 years now, it had military aid from the US of $1.4 billion a year.. count 20 years by $2 billion budget a year, that will give you an idea, it is about $40 billion savings from which $ 10 billion went back to support the economy and here you see a purchasing power of $30 billion; $10 billion was spent on the procurement of 24 Rafale, 52 Mig-35, 46 K-52 Alligator, 2 Mistral helicopter carriers, 1 Fremm frigate and 4 Gowind 2500 corvettes, add another $2 billion for 4 German Type-209mod submarines, $1 billion for Mistral equipments, $500 million for 24 or more K-52K katran for the mistral, 2.5 $ billion for 29 Su-35, that makes it close to $16 to$18 billion in total up till now (if we add the Air defence systems), another 12 Rafale are an option and were being negotiated.. So there is still at least another $10 billion for potential procurements.. The President of Egypt Abdelfatah Sissi said lately that other big surprises are in line..
In brief it is a long due modernization of the Egyptian armed forces..

Don't forget the French Sattelite, Russian EGYPTSTAT and the Chinese Wing Loong UAV and a few other little misc. items. When you put the big things together like you did in a list, it's easier to realize how huger this shopping spree has been.
 
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I am wondering where Egypt military fund come from? Egypt r/s with Saudi has soured.
egypt dont have money its all come from gulf countries
dont forget they took 12 bilion loan cause lack of dollars
 
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Don't forget the French Sattelite, Russian EGYPTSTAT and the Chinese Wing Loong UAV and a few other little misc. items. When you put the big things together like you did in a list, it's easier to realize how huger this shopping spree has been.
The Russian EGYPTSAT is for free, the Russians promised that when the first one was lost after a year or so in operation! The French satellite alone costs around $1.2 billion, the Wing Loong isn't that expansive though, $2 to 3 million a pop, Egypt might have 15 or so for now.., Yes the total of the deals is big but its was due and is nothing compared to the 100s of billions of dollars other countries are spending on their weapons..Egypt still needs much more weapon systems to be up to date with the rest of its main neighbours..Egypt still needs at least another 4 submarines, at least another Fremm frigate, 4 to 6 Horizon air defence corvettes frigates, 2more Gowind 2500, more S-300VM4 batteries and/or the S-400 which was also offered by Russia, more Rafale, and talk from air force officials points to a study project for a 100% Egyptian made fighter plane most likely based on the JF-17, among many other projects and projected procurements..An upgrade of 30 to 40 F-16C to Blk50 is also almost confirmed, and the possibility of upgrading the Egyptian F-16Blk 40 to V is very realistic and is in the pipeline..
 
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egypt dont have money its all come from gulf countries
dont forget they took 12 bilion loan cause lack of dollars
That is so wrong on so many levels.
The gulf states declare it when they fund deals(eg.French weapons to Lebanon).
The Egyptian president said in a speech that the army funded there deals which is not unimaginable giving that the army runs so many factories and businesses.
As for the loans every country takes loans doesn't mean that they don't have money its a way for countries/companies/people to boost there economic development nobody gives loans to countries "with no money" because how would they pay back so massive loans are a declaration of confidence in the Egyptian economy.
May I suggest that you read more about how economy works before making such remarks.
 
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The Russian EGYPTSAT is for free, the Russians promised that when the first one was lost after a year or so in operation! The French satellite alone costs around $1.2 billion, the Wing Loong isn't that expansive though, $2 to 3 million a pop, Egypt might have 15 or so for now.., Yes the total of the deals is big but its was due and is nothing compared to the 100s of billions of dollars other countries are spending on their weapons..Egypt still needs much more weapon systems to be up to date with the rest of its main neighbours..Egypt still needs at least another 4 submarines, at least another Fremm frigate, 4 to 6 Horizon air defence corvettes frigates, 2more Gowind 2500, more S-300VM4 batteries and/or the S-400 which was also offered by Russia, more Rafale, and talk from air force officials points to a study project for a 100% Egyptian made fighter plane most likely based on the JF-17, among many other projects and projected procurements..An upgrade of 30 to 40 F-16C to Blk50 is also almost confirmed, and the possibility of upgrading the Egyptian F-16Blk 40 to V is very realistic and is in the pipeline..

SC, I don't think the EGYPTSAT was for free. The original Ukrainian one that got lost was replaced by the Russian one and launched last year and paid for by the EAF for a rumored $40 million, IIRC. Either way, you're right that these are small in comparison to the big-ticket items and the entire budget and of course, to other military budgets. Just by adding these items and not necessarily the costs, the list is larger by comparison to what has been purchased prior to Sissi's spree and all in a very short span.

Speaking of the strength of the Egyptian Navy - another deal that is not front and center for example is the two Mistral's anti-missile/anti-aircraft defense system. They went to China to look at their FL-3000N and were very interested. There's nothing that suggests they've picked it or anything else yet but a defensive system for those 2 ships is critical. Too bad they weren't interested in the Chinese HQ-10 that's on the Liaoning aircraft carrier. A better system than the FL-3000N but probably much more expensive. This or any other system will be in the $50 million range so add that to the list lol.

 
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That is so wrong on so many levels.
The gulf states declare it when they fund deals(eg.French weapons to Lebanon).
The Egyptian president said in a speech that the army funded there deals which is not unimaginable giving that the army runs so many factories and businesses.
As for the loans every country takes loans doesn't mean that they don't have money its a way for countries/companies/people to boost there economic development nobody gives loans to countries "with no money" because how would they pay back so massive loans are a declaration of confidence in the Egyptian economy.
May I suggest that you read more about how economy works before making such remarks.
you buy wepons with alot of bilions and you dont have money to import sugar and take loan cause lack of dollars how can you explain this/?
 
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you buy wepons with alot of bilions and you dont have money to import sugar and take loan cause lack of dollars how can you explain this/?

Does Israel take money from its defense budget to buy humos?! Fizzy Bubblech? lol

Like Hell No said, that loan was taken from the IMF (International Monetary Fund) for internal and economic needs. The weapons are bought with the Armed Forces budget which is separate and can never be connected to the economy. Instead it's used in many ways to make deals that do help the economy which is what is happening.

All economies face challenges and this one was obviously greatly affected by the revolution and these things will work themselves in time as the security of Egypt ties into the economy's well-being. The new modification to the Suez Canal will improve shipping, allow faster and more transit hence bring more money into the economy. The route for more ships transiting through the Red Sea and Port Said needs good protection with all recent unrest so Naval improvements are essential for that. That's a small example as to how the two are connected. Military security helps stabilize the country, a stable country will re-encourage more tourism, a big money industry for Egypt. These are few examples.
 
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Does Israel take money from its defense budget to buy humos?! Fizzy Bubblech? lol

Like Hell No said, that loan was taken from the IMF (International Monetary Fund) for internal and economic needs. The weapons are bought with the Armed Forces budget which is separate and can never be connected to the economy. Instead it's used in many ways to make deals that do help the economy which is what is happening.

All economies face challenges and this one was obviously greatly affected by the revolution and these things will work themselves in time as the security of Egypt ties into the economy's well-being. The new modification to the Suez Canal will improve shipping, allow faster and more transit hence bring more money into the economy. The route for more ships transiting through the Red Sea and Port Said needs good protection with all recent unrest so Naval improvements are essential for that. That's a small example as to how the two are connected. Military security helps stabilize the country, a stable country will re-encourage more tourism, a big money industry for Egypt. These are few examples.
are you joking with 30% infaltion in egypt show me when israel took loan from imf? and suaz canal revenus down in 3 perecent last year http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSC6N1BK01O
 
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