The Drums of War? Pentagon Provokes New Crisis With China

[Chinese-Dragon]

Nope don't see any wars, maybe its just a pissing contest

I agree. I read the Economist and Newsweek all the time, it's clear that the USA and China are "economically interdependent". Neither side could gain from a war.

America has never once attacked a nuclear power either. They even backed off North Korea quickly after they got the bomb. Also see how quickly they ran away from the Georgian War to avoid interfering in a Russian conflict.

Even if there WAS a non-nuclear attack, America couldn't even beat "Vietnam" and the "Afghanistan-insurgents"... so I don't think anyone is worried.

 

[topjumper]

And people wonder why china is modernising its military, lol...

If you don't protect your fruit of labour you will be robbed. Unless you join their gang and rob someone else that is.

 

[SomeGuy]

On the contrary, I think a war with China would benefit US immensely! Remember that they have bought cheap chinese goods and still haven't paid them back the 1 trillion dollars they owe to China. To thwart China's progress while at the same time reneging on their debt obligations will be a very good reason for the US to go to war with China.

Spending on war will contribute to the GDP. The US military industrial complex is rusting anyway. Nuclear attack in a limited war will not happen. US can annihilate China many times over, so both sides have to think hard before using nuclear weapons. The most likely flash point would be South Korea/Taiwan, with limited attack on the chinese mainland. That will let US dicatate terms, once it wins the war and renege on its debt obligations to China, while at the same time boosting its economy.

If you don't pay back the debt, who would be foolish to lend to you in the future?

Chinas economy is interlinked with the rest of the world. Any conflict would have a knock on effect on the rest of the world including America.

Finally, China wouldn't need to defeat the US outright, just inflict enough casualties to change public support in America. This is a real possibility if you consider how many servicemen there are on naval vessels.

 

[CardSharp]

If you don't pay back the debt, who would be foolish to lend to you in the future?

Chinas economy is interlinked with the rest of the world. Any conflict would have a knock on effect on the rest of the world including America.

Finally, China wouldn't need to defeat the US outright, just inflict enough casualties to change public support in America. This is a real possibility if you consider how many servicemen there are on naval vessels.

Even the specter of war and conflict will cause chaos in the financial world. Going to war with China would be like burning your own apartment down to spite your roommate (and taking half the world with it)

This is just some Indian that want to see others destroy the prosperity that they themselves cannot have.

 

[r3alist]

Actually it's North Korea and China beating the drums of war. Do a search and you will find it is not the first times Nuclear subs have visited South Korea. The only difference now is that the Chinese and North Koreans choose to highlight their presence and politicize it. Also their visits are not spur of the moment but planned long in advance. Since the days of the Cold war their has been a large presence of nuclear submarines in Asia. And will continue to be most likely for the long term.

american propaganda, typical mistruths and untruths.

 

[CardSharp]

american propaganda, typical mistruths and untruths.

More likely two sides of the same coin. Yes China is focusing on the boomer's trip into SK and Yes maybe it has precedence, BUT those trips weren't made in such a politically sensitive time and on such a provocative date.

To Thomas. Wasn't it US Grant who said regular army soldiers are by default those who failed at all other occupations in life?

 

[topjumper]

Well, the US probably wouldn't mind a small controlled confrontation/war with China: so it can flex its muscles in front of China, nullify its debt, divert its domestic problems to a foreign entity and in some sense stimulate its economy through war spending; it wouldn't want an all out war, otherwise even if its debts to China (it still owes loads to the rest of the world) are cleared it would lose millions of young work force and dramatically increase the state benefits liability for those do survive the war, and also the consequences of facing a nuclear war would be too big to carry.

I'd be interested to hear what russia's independent investigation of the cheonan incident is, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this thing is staged by the US just to find an excuse to pick a fight with China. Now whether Russia would feel free to publish all of its findings due to various geopolitical intricacies is also a matter that can't be ignored.

 

[CardSharp]

Well, the US probably wouldn't mind a small controlled confrontation/war with China: so it can flex its muscles in front of China, nullify its debt, divert its domestic problems to a foreign entity and in some sense stimulate its economy through war spending; it wouldn't want an all out war, otherwise even if its debts to China (it still owes loads to the rest of the world) are cleared it would lose millions of young work force and dramatically increase the state benefits liability for those do survive the war, and also the consequences of facing a nuclear war would be too big to carry.

I'd be interested to hear what russia's independent investigation of the cheonan incident is, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this thing is staged by the US just to find an excuse to pick a fight with China. Now whether Russia would feel free to publish all of its findings due to various geopolitical intricacies is also a matter that can't be ignored.

Ridiculous and paranoid on the magnitude of 911 truthers and tea-party birthers.

America already blames its domestic problems on China thanks to a democratic congress. And again any default on US bonds will result in a credit freeze on a government who is heavily relied on debt. This is not to mention how two superpowers in direct confrontation can ensure a limited war. (any superpower vs superpower conflicts in the past has aways been by proxy for precisely this fear of escalation)

 

[topjumper]

Paranoia? lol... let's just say I take this US, UK, Australia, Canada, Sweden, South Korea formed "United Nations" investigation panel with a pinch of salt.

If SK and NK are both involved in this incident, why is SK in this panel but not NK, why is China or Russia not involved but US and UK? It seems rather one-sided to me. As I said before, I'd be interested to hear what Russia's investigators have to say.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

China and US have hugh trade with each other , same is not true with Russia and US

 

[Machoman]

I hope no war happens. Peace is the best choice please take that route.

 

[razgriz19]

In a geo-political chess game, people don't matter. Its an unfortunate truth. America beat Iraq in a week. Heck most Iraqi soldiers didn't even show up for a fight!

Afghanistan didn't even put up a fight!

Remember, US is not fighting traditional enemies. China lost in Vietnam too and eventually retreated! LOL

US has dared to attack nuclear powers many times over. North Korea is an example. Pakistan is already suffering from drone attacks and Iran is already being sanctioned. Taiwan is being supplied arms despite repeated Chinese attempts to thwart it and China is not able to do anything about it.

im guessing nato forces are commiting ..suicide?
r u kidding man, they are killing hundreds of troops every year...
the number is not big but its good enough to show that US (nato) is still strugling to gain control!
and forget pakistan, our government is allowing US to do drone attacks. pakistan can very easily stop those attacks IF the gov wants it! but our gov dont really care.....

 

[gambit]

I agree. I read the Economist and Newsweek all the time, it's clear that the USA and China are "economically interdependent". Neither side could gain from a war.

America has never once attacked a nuclear power either. They even backed off North Korea quickly after they got the bomb. Also see how quickly they ran away from the Georgian War to avoid interfering in a Russian conflict.

Even if there WAS a non-nuclear attack, America couldn't even beat "Vietnam" and the "Afghanistan-insurgents"... so I don't think anyone is worried.

Is it true that after Mao refused an appeal from an NVA delegation to commit Chinese troops to North Viet Nam to match that of US troops, Mao also issued something called 'Six-Point Directive on the Struggle against U.S. Ships and Aircraft in the South China Sea (1965)' where IF American warplanes violated Chinese airspace, the PLAAF was NOT allowed to intercept?

 

[indushek]

This is why China loves Pakistan, and hates India.

Indians don't care about the value of Chinese life.

By the way Chinese soldiers were fighting in Vietnam when America was defeated. Same as in North Korea. America stops attacking countries when they go nuclear, which is why they backed off North Korea recently.

Next time you wonder why China loves Pakistan, look at your own attitude towards us. Look how excited you are to see millions of Chinese people die by promoting such a war... for stupid reasons like clearing national debts.

Mister i have seen u posting this logic in lot of other threads too , but i didn't want to argue with u for argument sake.

Just taking the words of one or two on a defence forum that too not an Indian one, how are u judging a nation of billion people?? Please be constructive in ur posts.

I agree that there is suspicion and mistrust between our nations for various reasons (no need to discuss them here) but that does not mean that we Indians love it whenever a Chinese is hurt of killed or is in trouble or for a matter of fact any others.

We either fight or die openly , make friendship openly but never do we gloat on other's troubles.

There will always be exceptions but that does not mean everybody is so. Chinese in general are known for their hardwork all over the world. Does that mean there are no exceptions, it does not mean all are like that. So in future stop this kind of post.

 

[Hafizzz]

On the contrary, I think a war with China would benefit US immensely! Remember that they have bought cheap chinese goods and still haven't paid them back the 1 trillion dollars they owe to China. To thwart China's progress while at the same time reneging on their debt obligations will be a very good reason for the US to go to war with China.

I hope when the war breaks out, China will first NUKE India for good so that countries that owe India will not have to pay back too and Kashmir can win her independence at the same time.