The Covert War in Pakistan

[neehar]

What is the point of initiation. It was in 1971 RAW actions forced ISI to develop into a full fledged operating agency.

is'nt that a retaliation to kashmir??so again what is the point of initiation???if at all ur govt did'nt sent the proxies to occupy kashmir then that king would never would have signed the accession treaty and perhaps india would have accecpted the plebescite which would take place in a peaceful environment.even today everything would be sorted out if pakistan accepts loc as an international boundary.and there is no other solution to the situation than that.

 

[Panther 57]

is'nt that a retaliation to kashmir??so again what is the point of initiation???if at all ur govt did'nt sent the proxies to occupy kashmir then that king would never would have signed the accession treaty and perhaps india would have accecpted the plebescite which would take place in a peaceful environment.even today everything would be sorted out if pakistan accepts loc as an international boundary.and there is no other solution to the situation than that.

Why should be LOC accepted as International boundaries, when Kashmir has been illegally annexed to India. Your post is not in line with the my post.

 

[neehar]

Why should be LOC accepted as International boundaries, when Kashmir has been illegally annexed to India. Your post is not in line with the my post.

because india would never give away kashmir to pakistan.solutions are only possible when both countries think practically.regarding remaining post lets leave it at that.its a never ending debate.solutions are only possible with negotiations and every time when our govt tries to negotiate some fundamentalists from ur side attack us.its definitely not a coincidence.

 

[Panther 57]

because india would never give away kashmir to pakistan.solutions are only possible when both countries think practically.regarding remaining post lets leave it at that.its a never ending debate.solutions are only possible with negotiations and every time when our govt tries to negotiate some fundamentalists from ur side attack us.its definitely not a coincidence.

Why your government wants to negotiate. Why not just follow the UN resolution and go plebiscite unilaterally.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

1. Because of Shimla Agreement.
2. We are not stupid.

Why your government wants to negotiate. Why not just follow the UN resolution and go plebiscite unilaterally.

Why should be LOC accepted as International boundaries, when Kashmir has been illegally annexed to India. Your post is not in line with the my post.

Only way Kashmir can be separated is from the lifeless frozen fingers of a dead and destroyed India.

 

[neehar]

Why your government wants to negotiate. Why not just follow the UN resolution and go plebiscite unilaterally.

u should ask for a plebescite before sending the militants in 1947.many locals migrated from the region and got killed.once the demography of the region is changed u cant expect the results to be justified.in any case india accepted to plebescite once pakistan removed its armed forces from the state first as its the one who started the aggression.and india would do the same.but pakistan never obliged..but once the shimla accord was signed between both the countries that the situation would be dealt bilaterally not with the intervention of U.N the whole issue of plebiscite ended there.now only solution is resolving disputes with negotiations.

 

[Panther 57]

u should ask for a plebescite before sending the militants in 1947.many locals migrated from the region and got killed.once the demography of the region is changed u cant expect the results to be justified.in any case india accepted to plebescite once pakistan removed its armed forces from the state first as its the one who started the aggression.and india would do the same.but pakistan never obliged..but once the shimla accord was signed between both the countries that the situation would be dealt bilaterally not with the intervention of U.N the whole issue of plebiscite ended there.now only solution is resolving disputes with negotiations.

This is ridiculous, militants in 1947. A nation which just emerged not organised itself, sorting out problems of migrating public and in that hassle sending militants in Kashmir. At that time armed forces were still under British commanders and those who took over the government were still raw hand. Yes Congress had an established government at that time and in advance made large number of changes in civil administration, including sacking of muslims in police, civil and other government services. Arms licenses of Muslims were cancelled and weapons confiscated.

 

[neehar]

This is ridiculous, militants in 1947. A nation which just emerged not organised itself, sorting out problems of migrating public and in that hassle sending militants in Kashmir. At that time armed forces were still under British commanders and those who took over the government were still raw hand. Yes Congress had an established government at that time and in advance made large number of changes in civil administration, including sacking of muslims in police, civil and other government services. Arms licenses of Muslims were cancelled and weapons confiscated.

then why did the king sign accession???its because ur tribals are occupying the state and the king asked the help of india.india said the it would only be able to helo if it is an indian land.and so he signed the accession treaty.regarding the bolded part again diverting the topic and no proofs that they deliberately did that.congress that time is highly secular and progressive.if at all anything of such sort happened it might be the people who resigned and migrated to pakistan.but thats not a relevant discussion here is'nt it.its not indians who are attacking u they are just as much pakistani as u are.but we are attacked by pakistanis not indians.any indians who had allegience are either caught or killed or on the hunt.we kill all kinds of terrorists in our country we dont differentiate good terrorist and bad terrorist.despite of all ur experiences ur govt's attitude is still the same unfortuantely.if u want to deal with terrorism deal at eastern front with equal intesity. Hippocrates canot be complainants.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

This is ridiculous, militants in 1947. A nation which just emerged not organised itself, sorting out problems of migrating public and in that hassle sending militants in Kashmir. At that time armed forces were still under British commanders and those who took over the government were still raw hand. Yes Congress had an established government at that time and in advance made large number of changes in civil administration, including sacking of muslims in police, civil and other government services. Arms licenses of Muslims were cancelled and weapons confiscated.

Lashkars and Mujaheedeen and tribal militias attacked. We know they did. Probably they came from Mars. Pakistan Army also fought actively. Some commanders like - Akbar Khan, Ayub Khan, Mukhtar Dogar etc distinguished themselves in the action.

 

[asad71]

[I]It is very clear that foreign involvement is keeping the furnace of terrorism burning in Pakistan but it is the responsibility of the people of Pakistan to give a united and unanimous response to all such heinous activities.
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Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/280749-covert-war-pakistan.html#ixzz2gTB7Ix71


The writer has given the solution. Pakistanis must address the issue as a national problem requiring positive response from all. It should not be seen as a military problem requiring military response only. The writer has rightly identified that at the heart of the problem lies an identity crisis that has been manufactured through foreign input in politics, media, economy and ideology. Pakistanis must endeavor to re-discover the true ideology, objectives and thoughts that Jinnah had preached to the Muslims of not only Pakistan but entire SA. Cleavages created through importing alien ideologies and ideas must be welded shut.

 

[ni8mare]

What is the point of initiation. It was in 1971 RAW actions forced ISI to develop into a full fledged operating agency.

your people send laskars in 1947 ...your people started creating problems in north-east

how on earth your are saying that india started it? your people initiated it.

how you thought that there won't be by counter for these, result was 1971(actually we learn from you) now again your started it 80's so backlash will be there now we are countering it simple.

 

[Tacticool]

your people send laskars in 1947 ...your people started creating problems in north-east

how on earth your are saying that india started it? your people initiated it.

how you thought that there won't be by counter for these, result was 1971(actually we learn from you) now again your started it 80's so backlash will be there now we are countering it simple.

You people invaded Kashmir against their will. Destroyed their homes, raped their women, killed young boys massacred civillians we will continue our efforts to rescue the worlds most oppressed nation.

Pakistan should bomb TTPS bases in kunar nuristan nd northern afghanistan from both air nd ground pakistan air force should do massive bombings on TTPS bases in kunar nuristan nd northern afghanistan pakistan air force should bomb TTPS bases in kunar nuristan northern afghanistan with air launched cruise missiles like raad nd air launched cruise missile babur ontop of tht pakistan air force should spray cluster bombs on TTPS bases in kunar nuristan nd northern afghanistan ontop of tht pakistan army should bomb TTPS bases in kunar nuristan nd northern afghanistan with ABDALIS GHAZNAVIS ETC PAKISTAN ARMY should bomb TTPS bases with mbrls missiles mortars artillery nd howitzers of various kinds heavy howitzers 2 completely massacre nd destroy nd blow up nd wipe TTPS american nd indian agents camps in kunar nuristan nd northern afghanistan ontop of tht pakistan should use armed drones nd bomb TTPS camps in kunar nuristan nd northern afghanistan if america can bomb pakistans tribal areas with armed drones y cant pakistan use armed drones 2 hunt nd massacre nd wipe nd blow up TTPS bases in kunar nuristan nd northern afghanistan the same ttp which has killed 40000 pakistanis nd has cost pakistan 80 billion dollars ontop of tht pakistan should also mine all the borders with afghanistan with anti tank nd anti personal mines so tht any intruding or infiltrating american nd indian agent TTPS gets blown up automatically ontop of tht armed drones should patrol tribal areas nd borders with afghanistan 24/7 nd armed helicopters should also patrol tribal areas nd borders with afghanistan 24/7 ontop of tht command nd control centres should b established at the border areas with afghanistan pakistans armed drones will conduct surveilance of border areas with afghanistan nd inside afghanistan where TTP has bases nd hideouts nd sanctuaries 24/7 so tht sending live data 2 the command nd control centres established at border areas with afghanistan about the movements of these foreign cia nd indian agents TTP so tht pakistani troops stationed in pakistani posts can b ready before hand 2 take out any infiltrating foreign cia nd indian agent TTP before hand. Its a shame uptill now these measures has not been taken while people of pakistan continue 2 die nd no 1 is answerable for the lives nd property of the people of pakistan wat a shame both imran khan nd nawaz sharif.

Pakistan should not decide whom to bomb on keeping US dictation in view simple solution to a self created death trap. Our people never wanted to be sacrificed for some non-believer's national security. We went against their will. We pushed them to fight as a mercenary the result is we are divided and exhausted.

 

[Tacticool]

Their is no end of a proxy war being fought against local nationals against their will.

 

[rafiqali]

You people invaded Kashmir against their will. Destroyed their homes, raped their women, killed young boys massacred civillians we will continue our efforts to rescue the worlds most oppressed nation.



Pakistan should not decide whom to bomb on keeping US dictation in view simple solution to a self created death trap. Our people never wanted to be sacrificed for some non-believer's national security. We went against their will. We pushed them to fight as a mercenary the result is we are divided and exhausted.

Good! Carry on.

The result of your efforts have turned against their handlers and are now destroying your own country. Well served justice for meddling with other nations.

Divine retribution if it ever was.

 

[[Bregs]]

Pakistan's own foreign policy has back fired (allowing US to use drones attack has been one specific reason where US got access to attack and Pakistan in return could not take any advantage from them)and now the hunters have come to haunt the home

Although outsiders do take advantage of the situation but Pakistan govt too has been found wanting to act against these terrorists as there has been apparent lack of strong will of security forces,as even not once they have been able to demolish the terrorist network either through intelligence or through force

BLA issue is long with India being blamed for it and its not new like on afghan border where the terrorism started post 2001