The case of JuD

[Awesome]

I dont need to.. Its between UN and Pakistan.. As per a binding resolution of UNSC, Hafiz Saeed is a terrorist and JuD a terror outfit, unless proven other wise..

Since the UN has not done anything it must be okay with it, with us pursuing the Mumbai attackers across borders and trying them in court. The case is still going on, and will conclude if India would let it.

India still does not believe that the Mumbai incident was purely driven by non state actors and there is a fair bit of confidence in Pakistan state machinery's complicity in the whole episode. Hence it does not make any sense to allow anyone from that machinery to communicate with Kasab

Officially India has acknowledged that the state was not involved. Officially India has demanded trials in Pakistan. Officially India has even complained that we have not done enough. Why that drama then?

Pick one side and stick to it. Or is my first assertion true that India is milking points out of the deaths of 170 people?

What kind of evedince didyou get from the Americans to support the WOT? Or did they give you any for the OBL raid?

Obviously thats why everyone criticized the American attack, it was against the norms of justice practiced all over the world. The details that have come out was that OBL did not resist arrest and yet they shot him. If Hafiz Saeed had not turned himself in, and would have resisted arrest, Pakistan would have shot him too.

There is no question pakistan is complicit and protects terrorists. Even when they pretend to ban them under international pressure, they are just allowed to operate just by changing nameplate, or even allowed to do fundraising through ads in mainstream newspapers. The pakistani state, judiciary and lots of common people keep full sympathy for these terrorists. Otherwise what kind of non parriah state asks for evidence of foreign countries on terrorists who live, organise, operate, plan, train, raise funds within own borders???

Did you try colonel Purohit or did you hang him in town square? You even tried the insidious Modi and found him not guilty, why didn't you just put a bullet through his head?

Btw, India started the exchange of evidence with the dossier, only it was not good enough, so now we are asking for more. This concept has precedence laid by India - and trial investigations can run between borders - aren't you trying to bring Dawood Ibrahim to justice?

You personal opinions aside, our actions have been by the book - but you have suddenly started to pretend to be too illiterate to follow the book.

 

[foxbat]

Since the UN has not done anything it must be okay with it,

UN hasnt done anything about a bunch of other things like Kashmir dispute.. By your logic, it seems the world is ok with the status quo there too...Correct?

Officially India has acknowledged that the state was not involved. Officially India has demanded trials in Pakistan. Officially India has even complained that we have not done enough. Why that drama then?

Demanding Pakistan brings to book, people responsible for terror strikes in Mumbai and giving access to possible criminals in that case to the material evidence are 2 different things..

And about official acknowledgement, that has been about the Pakistani civilian govt.. Not the notorious ISI

India to take up ISI's complicity in 26/11 with pakistan

Headley trial to nail ISI complicity in Mumbai attacks? - Times Of India

26/11: 4th case in New York names ISI, its chief Pasha - Indian Express

Govt starts internal consultations on joining New York lawsuit against ISI, LeT - Times Of India

etc etc

 

[EjazR]

The UN resolution also stated that Iraq had WMDs...

Being anti-India is not a crime, bring substantiated evidence implicating the JuD, and we will ban them and designate them as a terrorist organization.

Pakistan as part of the member of the UN had banned JuD.
Pakistan bans Jamaat, arrests Hafiz Saeed - Times Of India

And forget about being anti-India, JuD is anti-Muslim and anti-Islam as well. Atleast for this reason they should be tackled and taken care of. The anti-India is just a veil behind what they hide. The rot they create in Pakistan is much worse.

Even genuine Salafi/ Ahle-Hadees groups in Pakistan and other places have condemened JuD and have asked Hafiz Saeed to be arrested and be tried not just for terrorism, but graft, corruption and looting charity money and land for personal benefit and benifit for his cronies.

 

[Guest01]

Everyone in the world is free to come and try the JuD and bring EVIDENCE that they are involved in terrorist activities.

If found guilty we will designate them as a terrorist group too. You have to acknowledge that the JuD leaders have not resisted arrest or gone into hiding. They have fought their cases in the court of law. What else do you want? Shoot them execution style without a trial?

I think that the thoughts are more about the internal situation in Pakistan rather than the external terror propagation allegations of the JuD. The content in the Op is more with the local flavor rather than the international dazzling that JuD claims to achieve for Pakistan.

And honestly looking at the degeneration of politics in nations doomed and marred with broken political and social systems (for example the Afghanistan transit from the King up to the Taliban) should ideally worry the Pakistanis (not caring what the international community thinks) more than anyone else about the Duffa-e-Pakistan agenda being implemented in the country and by the ones that are sharing the stage with Hafiz Saeed.

Will that not be the short cut to the total Talibanization? Before you offer the case of Iran as a success, please remember that th Shia version of politics is much more saner and much less violent than the Sunni version of religious politics!

 

[Leader]

Modi will be PM Soon !! Keep watching

ah tragedy, an empire would be taken over by a known terrorist.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Did you try colonel Purohit or did you hang him in town square? You even tried the insidious Modi and found him not guilty, why didn't you just put a bullet through his head?

Btw, India started the exchange of evidence with the dossier, only it was not good enough, so now we are asking for more. This concept has precedence laid by India - and trial investigations can run between borders - aren't you trying to bring Dawood Ibrahim to justice?

You personal opinions aside, our actions have been by the book - but you have suddenly started to pretend to be too illiterate to follow the book.

Thats just the kind of apologetic lies pakistanis like to peddle, either out of ingrained love for human blood or shame, don't know for sure.

JUD was allowed to operate in the same muridke compound by the same people right after LET was banned, just by changing the nameplate!!! While JUD was banned (is it still? don't know) they were openly raising money by printing ads in mainstream newspapers (nawa i waqt, second largest circulated paper) and openly holding rallies in your capital cities.

You live in UAE, ok answer me if you have the moral fortitude - is that possible in any other respectable country? A YES or NO pls - just answer in any country can a banned terrorist organisation just change the nameplate and start operating the next day it is ''banned'' without active protection, encouragement, funding by the state? Can they print fundraising ads say in Khaleej Times without government approval? The resounding answer is NO, and hence the whole 'give me evidence of my terrorism' drama has ZERO credibility. You are the accused, you don't, shouldn't get to judge.

Pakistani state supports terrorism, thats an established fact, how much ever you try to twist it.