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The cancer of Islamist extremism spreads around the world

So do you want to make a connection between extremism in Arab countries on disgruntled Persians?

That connection is also already known.

USA is a major source of extremism in the World. USA invaded Iraq to stop it from selling it’s oil in Euros. Iraq was stable and quite liberal country and now it's a mess. The same happened to Libya. Libya wanted to create currency backed by gold (golden dinar). USA invaded Libya and Libya is now a mess. USA tortured Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib. USA tortured people in US Guantanamo concentration camp. USA tortured people in Stare Kiejkuty in northern Poland. USA tortures people in US torture chambers run by US police like that in Chicago: https://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/decades-chicago-police-used-city-jails-torture-chambers
And last but not least USA created Daesh.

Looting other countries (USA stolen gold from Iraq, Libya and Ukraine) and torturing people is only fueling extremism.

But I don’t expect you to admit that terrorists like George Bush, Barrack Obama, Hitlery Clinton or Dotard Trump are to blame for extremism. Not after what happened to Edward Snowden.

USA needs chaos in Asia. Without chaos US weapons and military bases will no longer be needed.
 
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To be fair your being overly reductive. It's not a binary situation. This is about the magnitude of the disease. From endemic, to epidemic to full blown pandemic. Nobody can possibly claim that this 'virus' did not exist in the Muslim world. Much like in all religions you always get a fringe. Being a American you will be aware of David Koresh of the Waco, Texas tragedy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

This incident showed that in even liberal, educated, prosperous society like USA you can have nutters on the fringe and distort religion to devastating effect. However the 'virus' in the Muslim world has gone from epidemic to pandemic proportions in the last 40 years. For referance see if you can find anything in the papers of that era that even use the term Islamist or report Islamist terrorism. It simply did not exist as a phenomenon like it does today. It's cultivation to industrial proportions has been down to how geopolitics played out. I am afraid US used religious forces to counter Soviet Union and supported countries like Saudia Arabia and continue to do so. The secular left in the Muslim world was wiped out leaving the extreme right wing religious fanatics to go crazy unchecked. Was this worth it? Well I quote Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser who had a major hand in "stirring-up" the "Moslems".


Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?


B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?


https://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

There were lots of extremist attacks in the Middle East by those trying to overthrow governments before the 1992 Iraq invasion. Like the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic Jihad.

You had things like 1981 Anwar Sadat being assassinated by the Islamic Jihad, 1983 Kuwait bombings, plane hijackings like 1985 flight 847, Damascus bombings by the Muslim Brotherhood in 1986 that killed 200, etc.

Most never made much headlines because people weren't particularly interested in it. It was only after Iraq invaded Kuwait that stuff like this became front page news. Before then people just looked at everything as being somehow related to the PLO.

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Flight 847 pilot with hijacker

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Anwar Sadat assassination by Islamic Jihad.


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A fiery Ayman al-Zawahiri in jail in 1982. He has been a member of BOTH the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic Jihad.

Things have been bad well before the US showed up.
 
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USA is a major source of extremism in the World.

USA as a source of extremism as you mention is left far behind by USA as the major guarantor for world peace. It is not a perfect country by any means, but still represents a fair and major force for good worldwide. Please feel free to keep your opinion and let others hold theirs.
 
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Interesting piece coming from Fareed more interestingly while mentioning Islamist extremism. A well chosen person for a good planned diverting propaganda. Let's touch the history strings that actually tells that Vietnam wasn't subjected extremist not the WMDs of Iraq were ever there (Bush-CIA and Blair-MI were saints sent down to earth). Creating Taliban from D.C to counter Soviet, which wasn't Islamist extremist. By the way native Americans were also not Islamist Extremist but as said, world wants to hear what it likes to rather the truth. Fareed is another fish in the tank to lay eggs as when needed and as per wish of whosoever is feeding him. The question arises that even if it has anything to do with Islam, who actually did it in the first 0lace that such large number of people are easily misguided against the teaching of Islam but for extremism like machines. What was the main element that so called preacher actually utilized to hypnotize a large group for such job. Fareed wouldn't agree but the truth is, the continuous provocation, meddling in others affairs and wannabe world police type are things that gave a chance to extremist for flourishing in societies and be used against any nation. Speaking of any nation, groups like ISIS etc have actually harmed Muslims more than US as tgese groups resulted the current Syria, Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq which benefitted the US and Israel more. Apologies as the sane would be looking like a blame but on other side of the wall, the writing is, US and Israel doesn't finds a reason for such but US in behalf of Israel creates these reasons. Speak8ng of creating reasons, read what Israel did in Libya Intel ops by cooking false info regarding xyz attacks by planting Israeli devices so what happened in Iraq is in record too.

The cancer of ISIS etc extremism created by first world nations for own national interest, is actually real threat. Don't tell me that most of ISIS fighters initially traveled from US and Europe in large numbers so where was the so-called super intels and people like Fareed. US and Company needs to stop using this term for face saving and fooling own citizens and pleasing Israel in M.E.

A caption could have been "Term Islamist Extremism successfully sold around first world"
 
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To be fair your being overly reductive. It's not a binary situation. This is about the magnitude of the disease. From endemic, to epidemic to full blown pandemic. Nobody can possibly claim that this 'virus' did not exist in the Muslim world. Much like in all religions you always get a fringe. Being a American you will be aware of David Koresh of the Waco, Texas tragedy.

Not to mention the Ku Klux Klan.
Creeps from US Ku Klux Klan are displaying and “lighting” crosses. Does it means that they are “Christian extremists” ? No it does not. They have as much to do with Christianity as Daesh has to do with Islam.
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USA created terrorist organisation and named it “Islamic State”. Does it mean that the so called “ISIS” is Islamic? No it does not.

USA as a source of extremism as you mention is left far behind by USA as the major guarantor for world peace.

USA is major enemy of world peace. US has killed more than 20 million people since World War II.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-ha...-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

It is not a perfect country by any means, but still represents a fair and major force for good worldwide.

USA is evil country. Holocaust of Native Americans, slavery, apartheid, the Ku Klux Klan, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, use of depleted uranium against Afganistan and Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, destrucion of Libya, stealing of gold from Iraq, Libya and Ukraine, creation of Daesh (the Dotard admited that USA created Daesh), production of drugs in Afganistan, etc.
 
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Fareed Zakariya known traitor failed to mention what led to it's rise and How USA and west policy of attacking Muslim countries and creating Israel than allowing them to kill Muslims

Yes! Muslim Invasions since the seventh century have all been pre-emptive strikes
to stop USA and the expected creation of Israel.
 
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There were lots of extremist attacks in the Middle East by those trying to overthrow governments before the 1992 Iraq invasion.
If you had bothered to read my post I did mention a four decade shift from endemic to pandemic. By 1990 the scene had been set. You do appreciate I am a secularists agnostic and the first target of these radicals so I have taken time to study them and observed the change over the decades. The nurturing of the far right extremist religious lobbies began in 1960s in earnest as a bulwark or antidote to the threat from communists. These putative Islamists in 1960s suited US foreign policy interests. The left was gradually wiped out and that left the ground for those on the right and extreme right to take the field.

USA is evil country.
I don't like using such terms. They serve no purpose and by definition lower the temp of the discussion. Besides I have many very good American friends and I draw distinction between their governments and in particular political order which I agree has gone out of control. Not since President Carter have they had a half decent President. I think USA has been taken over by the military industrical complex allied to the large corporates. In fact their democracy has been taken over in slow silent manner and now they have dictatorship dressed as democracy. Elections are choice from a narrow clique that runs that country.

Creeps from US Ku Klux Klan
It's interesting you mention them. Can you imagine if USA had weak polity and a outside power supported the KKK elevating it's influence. The results would be horrendous.
 
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USA is evil country. Holocaust of Native Americans, slavery, apartheid, the Ku Klux Klan, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, use of depleted uranium against Afganistan and Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, destrucion of Libya, stealing of gold from Iraq, Libya and Ukraine, creation of Daesh (the Dotard admited that USA created Daesh), production of drugs in Afganistan, etc.

Surely there is the other side of this coin too. After all, you are able to spew this using an American invention, for example.
 
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The cancer of Islamist extremism spreads around the world


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People rally on behalf of Jakarta's former governor Basuki Tjahaja Purnama in Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia. (Made Nagi/European Pressphoto Agency)


By Fareed Zakaria Opinion writer November 2 at 7:51 PM


SINGAPORE

This week’s tragic terrorist attack in New York was the kind of isolated incident by one troubled man that should not lead to generalizations. In the 16 years since 9/11, the city has proved astonishingly safe from jihadist groups and individuals. And yet, speaking about it to officials in this major global hub 10,000 miles away, the conclusions they reach are worrying. “The New York attack might be a way to remind us all that while ISIS is being defeated militarily, the ideological threat from radical Islam is spreading,” says Singaporean Home Minister K. Shanmugam. “The trend line is moving in the wrong direction.”

The military battle against Islamist extremist groups in places such as Syria and Afghanistan is a tough struggle, but it has always been one that favored the United States and its allies. After all, the combined military forces of some of the world’s most powerful governments are up against a tiny band of guerrillas. On the other hand, the ideological challenge from the Islamic State has proved far more intractable. The terrorist group and ones like it have been able to spread their ideas, recruit disaffected young men and women, and infiltrate countries across the globe. Western countries remain susceptible to the occasional lone wolf, but the new breeding grounds of radicalism are once-moderate Muslim societies in Central, South and Southeast Asia.


Consider Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim country, long seen as a moderate bulwark. This year, the governor of Jakarta, the country’s capital and largest city, lost his bid for reelection after he was painted by Muslim hard-liners as unfit for office because he is Christian. Worse, he was then jailed after being convicted on a dubious and unfair blasphemy charge. Amid a rising tide of Islamist politics, Indonesia’s “moderate” president and its mainstream “moderate” Islamic organizations have failed to stand up for the country’s traditions of tolerance and multiculturalism.

Or look at Bangladesh, another country with a staunchly secular past, where nearly 150 million Muslims live. Founded as a breakaway from Pakistan on explicitly nonreligious grounds, Bangladesh’s culture and politics have become increasingly extreme over the past decade. Atheists, secularists and intellectuals have been targeted and even killed, blasphemy laws have been enforced, and a spate of terrorist attacks have left hundreds dead.

Why is this happening? There are many explanations. Poverty, economic hardship and change produce anxieties. “People are disgusted by the corruption and incompetence of politicians. They are easily seduced by the idea that Islam is the answer, even though they don’t know what that means,” a Singaporean politician explained to me. And then, the local leaders make alliances with the clerics and give platforms to the extremists, all in search of easy votes. That political pandering has helped nurture a cancer of Islamist extremism.


In Southeast Asia, almost all observers whom I have spoken with believe that there is another crucial cause — exported money and ideology from the Middle East, chiefly Saudi Arabia. A Singaporean official told me, “Travel around Asia and you will see so many new mosques and madrassas built in the last 30 years that have had funding from the Gulf. They are modern, clean, air-conditioned, well-equipped — and Wahhabi [Saudi Arabia’s puritanical version of Islam].” Recently, it was reported that Saudi Arabia plans to contribute almost $1 billion to build 560 mosques in Bangladesh. The Saudi government has denied this, but sources in Bangladesh tell me there’s some truth to the report.

How to turn this trend around? Singapore’s Shanmugam says that the city-state’s population (15 percent of which is Muslim) has stayed relatively moderate because state and society work very hard at integration. “We have zero tolerance for any kind of militancy, but we also try to make sure Muslims don’t feel marginalized,” he explained. Singapore routinely gets high marks in global rankings for its transparency, low levels of corruption and the rule of law. Its economy provides opportunities for most.

Asia continues to rise, but so does Islamist radicalism there. This trend can be reversed only by better governance and better politics — by leaders who are less corrupt, more competent and, crucially, more willing to stand up to the clerics and extremists. Saudi Arabia’s new crown prince spoke last week of turning his kingdom to “moderate Islam.” Many have mocked this as a public-relations strategy, pointing to the continued dominance of the kingdom’s ultra-orthodox religious establishment. A better approach would be to encourage the crown prince, hold him to his words and urge him to follow up with concrete actions. This is the prize. Were Saudi Arabia to begin religious reform at home, it would be a far larger victory against radical Islam than all the advances on the battlefield so far.
Fareed Zakaria is not a practicing Muslim. Even his children are not raised as Muslims.

@Solomon2 I have noticed you always post anti-Islamic or anti-Muslim posts on PDF.

You do know most of us Pakistanis are Muslims, right?

What makes you think we will entertain your anti-Muslim trash?

I am a Muslim. But Trump’s views appall me because I am an American.
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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks during a campaign rally Dec. 5 in Davenport, Iowa. (Charlie Neibergall/Associated Press)

By Fareed Zakaria Opinion writer December 10, 2015

I think of myself first and foremost as an American. I’m proud of that identity because as an immigrant, it came to me through deep conviction and hard work, not the accident of birth. I also think of myself as a husband, father, guy from India, journalist, New Yorker and (on my good days) an intellectual. But in today’s political climate, I must embrace another identity. I am a Muslim.

I am not a practicing Muslim. The last time I was in a mosque, except as a tourist, was decades ago. My wife is Christian, and we have not raised our children as Muslims. My views on faith are complicated — somewhere between deism and agnosticism. I am completely secular in my outlook. But as I watch the way in which Republican candidates are dividing Americans, I realize that it’s important to acknowledge the religion into which I was born.

And yet, that identity doesn’t fully represent me or my views. I am appalled by Donald Trump’s bigotry and demagoguery not because I am a Muslim but because I am an American.

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In his diaries from the 1930s, Victor Klemperer describes how he, a secular, thoroughly assimilated German Jew, despised Hitler. But he tried to convince people that he did so as a German; that it was his German identity that made him see Nazism as a travesty. In the end, alas, he was seen solely as a Jew.

This is the real danger of Trump’s rhetoric: It forces people who want to assimilate, who see themselves as having multiple identities, into a single box. The effects of his rhetoric have already poisoned the atmosphere. Muslim Americans are more fearful and will isolate themselves more. The broader community will know them less and trust them less. A downward spiral of segregation will set in.

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The tragedy is that, unlike in Europe, Muslims in the United States are by and large well-assimilated. I remember talking to a Moroccan immigrant in Norway last year who had a brother in New York. I asked him how their experiences differed. He said, “Over here, I’ll always be a Muslim, or a Moroccan, but my brother is already an American.”

In an essay in Foreign Affairs, British writer Kenan Malik points out that in France, in the 1960s and ’70s, immigrants from North Africa were not seen as or called Muslims. They were described as North Africans or Arabs. But that changed in recent decades. He quotes a filmmaker who says, “What, in today’s France, unites the pious Algerian retired worker, the atheist French-Mauritanian director that I am, the Fulani Sufi bank employee from Mantes-la-Jolie, the social worker from Burgundy who has converted to Islam, and the agnostic male nurse who has never set foot in his grandparents’ home in Oujda?” His answer: “We live within a society which thinks of us as Muslims.”

Once you start labeling an entire people by characteristics such as race and religion, and then see the whole group as suspect, tensions will build. In a poignant article on Muslim American soldiers, The Post interviewed Marine Gunnery Sgt. Emir Hadzic, a refugee from Bosnia, who explained how the brutal civil war between religious communities began in the Balkans in the 1990s. “That’s what’s scary with [the] things that [Donald Trump is] saying,” Hadzic said. “I know how things work when you start whipping up mistrust between your neighbors and friends . . . I’ve seen them turn on each other.”

[Ignatius: Trump’s anti-Muslim rhetoric will live in infamy in U.S. history]

I remain an optimist. Trump has taken the country by surprise. People don’t quite know how to respond to the vague, unworkable proposals (“We have to do something!”), the phony statistics, the dark insinuations of conspiracies (“There’s something we don’t know,” he says, about President Obama) and the naked appeals to peoples’ prejudices.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...af6af208198_story.html?utm_term=.1223641c4130
 
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I don't like using such terms. They serve no purpose and by definition lower the temp of the discussion. Besides I have many very good American friends and I draw distinction between their governments and in particular political order which I agree has gone out of control. Not since President Carter have they had a half decent President. I think USA has been taken over by the military industrical complex allied to the large corporates. In fact their democracy has been taken over in slow silent manner and now they have dictatorship dressed as democracy. Elections are choice from a narrow clique that runs that country.

By „USA is evil country” I meant that US Establishment and it’s lackeys are evil. I’m well aware that there are many decent people from USA. Edward Snowden is one example.

Surely there is the other side of this coin too. After all, you are able to spew this using an American invention, for example.

First Personal Computer was patented by Russian scientist Arseny A. Gorokhov. I’m using Russian invention not Murican. But how someone as ignorant as you can know about it?

Idea of the Internet was put forth by Paul Otlet from Belgium (“Radiated Library"). So it was not US invention like some ignorant people may think.
 
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By „USA is evil country” I meant that US Establishment and it’s lackeys are evil. I’m well aware that there are many decent people from USA. Edward Snowden is one example.



First Personal Computer was patented by Russian scientist Arseny A. Gorokhov. I’m using Russian invention not Murican. But how someone as ignorant as you can know about it?

Idea of the Internet was put forth by Paul Otlet from Belgium (“Radiated Library"). So it was not US invention like some ignorant people may think.

Ideas are a dime a dozen. Translating them into reality, now that is something. Take the idea of controlled, powered flight in heavier-than-air machines, and the Wright Brothers.
 
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I meant that US Establishment and it’s lackeys are evil.
The US was never really democratic in the full sense of the word but over the preceding decades the ruling power base has shrunk and now Us is run big big business. They own the two political parties who are as divergent from each as my two fingers can be. Whatever positions both take they are still part of my hand and are not going to go too far from each other. The media makes sure mass of the Americans follow like herd of sheep whatever narrative the ruling elite want. The voting is just a ritual to give fig leaf of democracy.

You could say the same thing for UK but I think our democracy has a broader base and is more representative. Although even here big capital has huge clout.
 
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