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The Battle for Bajaur - PA seizes control

"Your nation's hands are dripping with innocent blood..."

Your's aren't lily-white.

I'm disgusted to think of you spending another minute in my country.

Enjoy your evening.

Reality bites and is mostly difficult to swallow. A display of typical "Bush" mentality, isn't it ? But it's not your fault, say thanks your media like FOX.

Just on a difference of opinion you are saying that "you are disgusted to have him in your country" ??? This means you must be disgusted with a hell lot number of nations around the world. Is this typical of Americans or you are an exception. Difference of opinion led you to say that. Imagine when you go to wars on difference of opinion and kill innocent people, you expect them to shower petals on you. Isn't this expecting too much ?

Do you understand where this mind frame leads to ? For you it could only be a forum, but for a person like "Bush" it destroys lives of millions of people around the globe and while still living in a fortress, he is not ashamed to say we have a threat from overseas. He bloody well himself and his policies are global threat. Failure after failure - economy collapsing - but some people learn it hard way I think.

To be honest, I am disgusted by your opinions and attitude here. :angry:
 
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"Just on a difference of opinion you are saying that "you are disgusted to have him in your country" ???"

"Your nation's hands are dripping with innocent blood..."

Difference of opinion? Damned straight. Those aren't the words of a friend.

"Failure after failure - economy collapsing - but some people learn it hard way I think."

Do you really think so? Ah, you're terribly wise and sage, I see. Thank you. Wonderful words offered with just the right light touch of condescension. After all, you've done soooo well with yourselves.

Think you can afford to rebuild Loe Sam? This is the "Battle of Bajaur" thread, isn't it?
 
"Your nation's hands are dripping with innocent blood..."

Your's aren't lily-white.

I'm disgusted to think of you spending another minute in my country.

Enjoy your evening.

The difference being that I haven't been the one to initiate the finger pointing, nor have I ever claimed that Pakistan's hands are 'clean'. My argument with you has been over primarily one issue, that the US policies in Afghanistan were refused to take into account Pakistan's national security concerns, and in fact increased them with the pursuit of a strategic relationship with India.

I am not necessarily surprised that you never noticed, but the raising of US history of having innocent blood on her hands has almost always come about as a consequence of an insistence from the US side like these:

"When speaking of policies towards Afghanistan, no nation has a record of self-serving and manipulative actions quite like Pakistan's".

My arguments were from a US-Pak standpoint, you are the one who chose to delve into a tangent and open this particular can of worms, and it isn't the first time. The fact is that the US alienated Pakistan and compromised her national interests and security by the series of policies it put in place after the invasion - it now turns out that the people put in place by those policies are also directly or indirectly fueling the Taliban. This isn't just my opinion, though I have been arguing this for over a year now, but the POV of many Western analysts and commentators. You refuse to acknowledge the failure of US policy in that regard for whatever reason, despite the fact that your own defense establishment is carrying out a major review of its Afghan policy.

You can keep being disgusted, that comment doesn't surprise me either - the favorite redoubt of the 'patriotic conservative' - 'go somewhere else if you don't like this country'. Yeah, that line was heard quite a bit during good ol' Dubya's reign, and directed at US citizens far more critical of US policies than I have been. However, your disgust is not going to change history, and it is better directed at those US policies and subsequent consequences whose mention of you seem to have taken umbrage at.
 
1.) "I haven't been the one to initiate the finger pointing..."

2.) "...nor have I ever claimed that Pakistan's hands are 'clean'."

3.) "My argument with you has been over primarily one issue, that the US policies in Afghanistan were refused to take into account Pakistan's national security concerns"

4.) "you are the one who chose to delve into a tangent"

5.) "it isn't the first time."

Whatever, A.M.
 
At last common sense is prevailing, this is certainly a positive development, we must work together to eliminate our common enemy.



U.S., Pakistan Work Together in Afghan Border Operation

By MATTHEW ROSENBERG in Kabul, Afghanistan, and YOCHI J. DREAZEN in Washington. NOVEMBER 14, 2008

U.S. forces have begun working with Pakistan's military to take on Taliban and al Qaeda fighters along the Afghan border, a development American officials say reflects Islamabad's new willingness to go after Islamist militants.

The U.S. and Pakistan are waging a coordinated military campaign known as Operation Lionheart, which involves American strikes on insurgent targets in the Kunar region of Afghanistan and a full-scale Pakistani campaign in the tribal areas of Bajaur, a longtime extremist stronghold, according to senior American officials.

As part of the joint operation, which hasn't been previously disclosed, American officials are sharing extensive real-time intelligence with their Pakistani counterparts, senior American officials said. The two sides have also worked closely to seal the border and prevent insurgents from fleeing military operations in one country to havens in another, the officials said.

In an interview in Kabul, Gen. David McKiernan, the commander of U.S. and North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces in Afghanistan, said the U.S.-Pakistani relationship now appeared to "be moving cautiously in the right direction."

Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, Pakistan's military spokesman, said support from NATO forces in sealing the Afghan side of the border helped stop the flow of Taliban fighters in Bajaur, where Pakistan says its forces have killed more than 1,500 militants since August. "The cooperation greatly helped our forces in combating the militants in the area," Gen. Abbas said.

In recent months, insurgents have killed dozens of U.S. personnel and hundreds of Afghans. On Thursday, a large truck bomb in eastern Afghanistan killed an American soldier and at least 18 Afghan civilians. This year, at least 152 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan, already the highest annual figure since 2001, according to icasualties.org.

Suspected Islamic gunmen kidnapped an Iranian diplomat after killing his guard in the city of Peshawar on Thursday, the latest in a string of attacks targeting foreigners in northwestern Pakistan, after an American aid worker and his driver were killed Wednesday in Peshawar.

The Central Intelligence Agency has used unmanned aerial drones to fire dozens of missiles into Pakistani territory recently, killing several senior insurgent leaders. American Special Operations commandos have mounted at least one ground assault into Pakistan, causing outrage among many Pakistanis.

William Wood, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, said Pakistan's stance against the militants "has improved" since a new government led by Asif Ali Zardari, the widower of the assassinated Pakistani leader Benazir Bhutto, took power this year. U.S. officials also cite better communication with Pakistan's army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani.

The new power structure in Pakistan follows the long rule of Pervez Musharraf, who was both president and army chief. Washington has given Pakistan billions of dollars in military aid since 2001, but the Taliban and al Qaeda have grown more entrenched in Pakistan's tribal areas.

The Taliban's resurgence reflects, in part, the support the group has received from some elements of Pakistan's military and intelligence service.

But U.S. officials say that on the battlefield, cooperation is increasing. Pakistani soldiers are focusing on militants using havens within Pakistan to fire on U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan. American troops, for their part, are carrying out attacks on Islamist targets inside Afghanistan while also moving to block Taliban and al Qaeda fighters from sneaking into the country to avoid attacks in Pakistan's border region of Bajaur.

"What we're talking about here is a new agreement or a new common understanding of what constitutes unacceptable behavior and a new willingness to attack that unacceptable behavior in a coordinated way," said Mr. Wood, the U.S. ambassador, in an interview.

Gen. George Casey, the chief of staff of the Army, said U.S. commanders in Afghanistan have begun meeting their Pakistani counterparts once a week, with Gen. McKiernan and Gen. Kayani getting together at least once a month. "There's good contact going on," Gen. Casey said.

In Kabul, Gen. McKiernan cautioned that direct military coordination between U.S. and Pakistani forces was in its early stages and that Pakistan has yet to completely sever all of its military and intelligence ties with militants.

—Zahid Hussain in Islamabad contributed to this article.
Write to Matthew Rosenberg at matthew.rosenberg@wsj.com and Yochi J. Dreazen at yochi.dreazen@wsj.com
 
I'm disgusted to think of you spending another minute in my country.


And the truth shall set you free...

My friend America is a nation of Imigrants, how could you talk like that? Aftreall your true colours had be exposed some time, sooner or later!

I ma just glad i live in our country, where we will bever have to listen to such degrading talk? Your Country? How So? What right do you have over it that superseeds AM's rights as an American Citizen, in my eyes he is exercising his god given right and a right under the US bill of rights to question what the Government of his country is doing!

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. -
Abraham Lincoln

Here is a quote from a US Government Website regarding Immigration:

Immigrants also enrich American communities by bringing aspects of their native cultures with them. Many black Americans now celebrate both Christmas and Kwanzaa, a festival drawn from African rituals. Hispanic Americans celebrate their traditions with street fairs and other festivities on Cinco de Mayo (May 5). Ethnic restaurants abound in many American cities. President John F. Kennedy, himself the grandson of Irish immigrants, summed up this blend of the old and the new when he called America "a society of immigrants, each of whom had begun life anew, on an equal footing. This is the secret of America: a nation of people with the fresh memory of old traditions who dare to explore new frontiers.... "

So presonally i am quite shocked at what you said. This is exactly i am happy where i am, atleast i know what my Identity is and no body can question that!

Good Day Sir... :frown:
 
At last common sense is prevailing, this is certainly a positive development, we must work together to eliminate our common enemy.



U.S., Pakistan Work Together in Afghan Border Operation

By MATTHEW ROSENBERG in Kabul, Afghanistan, and YOCHI J. DREAZEN in Washington. NOVEMBER 14, 2008

U.S. forces have begun working with Pakistan's military to take on Taliban and al Qaeda fighters along the Afghan border, a development American officials say reflects Islamabad's new willingness to go after Islamist militants.

The U.S. and Pakistan are waging a coordinated military campaign known as Operation Lionheart, which involves American strikes on insurgent targets in the Kunar region of Afghanistan and a full-scale Pakistani campaign in the tribal areas of Bajaur, a longtime extremist stronghold, according to senior American officials.

As part of the joint operation, which hasn't been previously disclosed, American officials are sharing extensive real-time intelligence with their Pakistani counterparts, senior American officials said. The two sides have also worked closely to seal the border and prevent insurgents from fleeing military operations in one country to havens in another, the officials said.

In an interview in Kabul, Gen. David McKiernan, the commander of U.S. and North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces in Afghanistan, said the U.S.-Pakistani relationship now appeared to "be moving cautiously in the right direction."

Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, Pakistan's military spokesman, said support from NATO forces in sealing the Afghan side of the border helped stop the flow of Taliban fighters in Bajaur, where Pakistan says its forces have killed more than 1,500 militants since August. "The cooperation greatly helped our forces in combating the militants in the area," Gen. Abbas said.

In recent months, insurgents have killed dozens of U.S. personnel and hundreds of Afghans. On Thursday, a large truck bomb in eastern Afghanistan killed an American soldier and at least 18 Afghan civilians. This year, at least 152 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan, already the highest annual figure since 2001, according to icasualties.org.

Suspected Islamic gunmen kidnapped an Iranian diplomat after killing his guard in the city of Peshawar on Thursday, the latest in a string of attacks targeting foreigners in northwestern Pakistan, after an American aid worker and his driver were killed Wednesday in Peshawar.

The Central Intelligence Agency has used unmanned aerial drones to fire dozens of missiles into Pakistani territory recently, killing several senior insurgent leaders. American Special Operations commandos have mounted at least one ground assault into Pakistan, causing outrage among many Pakistanis.

William Wood, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, said Pakistan's stance against the militants "has improved" since a new government led by Asif Ali Zardari, the widower of the assassinated Pakistani leader Benazir Bhutto, took power this year. U.S. officials also cite better communication with Pakistan's army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani.

The new power structure in Pakistan follows the long rule of Pervez Musharraf, who was both president and army chief. Washington has given Pakistan billions of dollars in military aid since 2001, but the Taliban and al Qaeda have grown more entrenched in Pakistan's tribal areas.

The Taliban's resurgence reflects, in part, the support the group has received from some elements of Pakistan's military and intelligence service.

But U.S. officials say that on the battlefield, cooperation is increasing. Pakistani soldiers are focusing on militants using havens within Pakistan to fire on U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan. American troops, for their part, are carrying out attacks on Islamist targets inside Afghanistan while also moving to block Taliban and al Qaeda fighters from sneaking into the country to avoid attacks in Pakistan's border region of Bajaur.

"What we're talking about here is a new agreement or a new common understanding of what constitutes unacceptable behavior and a new willingness to attack that unacceptable behavior in a coordinated way," said Mr. Wood, the U.S. ambassador, in an interview.

Gen. George Casey, the chief of staff of the Army, said U.S. commanders in Afghanistan have begun meeting their Pakistani counterparts once a week, with Gen. McKiernan and Gen. Kayani getting together at least once a month. "There's good contact going on," Gen. Casey said.

In Kabul, Gen. McKiernan cautioned that direct military coordination between U.S. and Pakistani forces was in its early stages and that Pakistan has yet to completely sever all of its military and intelligence ties with militants.

—Zahid Hussain in Islamabad contributed to this article.
Write to Matthew Rosenberg at matthew.rosenberg@wsj.com and Yochi J. Dreazen at yochi.dreazen@wsj.com

Rabzon is this not like Operational Hammer/Anvil back in 2003? Where Pak troops would be the hammer and the US would be the anvil eventually both parties would have eradicated or at least serious decapitated the leadership, mobility and functioning capacity of the Taliban and their buzzom buddies?

Also we already had Information sharing and access to sat-imagery from the US so now this move, will US troops fight militants in Afghanistan whilst we fight them in Pakistan or will it be something more controversial?

However you are absolutely right! This seems to be a step in the right direction! :enjoy:
 
Pakistan torn over its tribal areas

By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - With the winter snows fast approaching, Pakistan's security forces face a race against time over whether or not to pull out of the Swat Valley in North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), where for the past one-and-a-half years they have been fighting a losing battle against militants.

The militants occupy about 80% of the strategically vital area near the border with Afghanistan and have managed to choke most supply lines. General Headquarters in Rawalpindi realizes that should the more than 10,000 troops there not be pulled out, they will face a dire war of attrition, but if they leave, the militants will gain strength.

Kabal and Kanju are the only war theatres left in the valley with battles raging and with the military in partial control, but come winter, its supply lines will be compromised. The militants are able to sustain themselves, partially as a result of having captured numerous army supply trucks and containers.

The dilemma for the army is that if it does retreat under the guise of a peace treaty, it will allow the Taliban to strengthen its bases even further in preparation for the next offensive in Afghanistan in the spring. The anticipation is that the Taliban will receive an unprecedented boost in recruits.

As in the Bajaur Agency, the army has failed in the Swat Valley as the troops are mostly ethnic Pashtun, as are the people against whom they are fighting. As a result, there has been an over-reliance on air power, which only serves to drive the militants temporarily into the mountains or into Afghanistan.

Once the militants retreat, the army does not try to take command of the ground as it rightly fears guerrilla attacks and the militants come back. This hide and seek game has given the militants the upper hand in NWFP and significantly fueled the Taliban-led insurgency in Afghanistan.

After its failure to make headway in Bajaur, the army went into Mohmand Agency, in Federally Administered Tribal Areas from where fresh fighters and supplies were aiding the Taliban in Bajaur.

This opening of a new front against powerful commander Abdul Wali had a cascading effect. Much of the population moved to the capital of NWFP, Peshawar, and other places, allowing the Taliban to open up fronts in the towns of Sabqadar and Michini, situated on the northern edges of Peshawar.

In the past few days the Taliban have infiltrated into Peshawar, where they have killed a worker of USAID, the American government's development arm, and abducted an Iranian diplomat.

In Khyber Agency, unmanned US Predator drones have targeted the Tera Valley, but have failed to hit any targets of significance. However, in the process, pro-government, anti-al-Qaeda militants belonging to the Vice and Virtue organization of slain Haji Namdar have agreed to join hands with the local Taliban to fight against foreign troops in Afghanistan.

The drone attacks were carried out last week, and since then North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) supply convoys have been looted frequently. Pakistani newspapers have published pictures of militants moving around in NATO armored personnel carriers.

This new alliance will strengthen militant attacks in Afghanistan's Nangarhar province, which has been quiet for the past several months. On Thursday, the Taliban attacked a NATO convoy in Nangarhar near the city of Jalalabad. NATO said that several Afghan soldiers were killed while the Taliban claimed the killing of five NATO soldiers.

It's going to be a very long winter for the Pakistani army, whether it stays in the tribal areas or whether it retreats, while next spring could be the hottest ever in Afghanistan.

Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at saleem_shahzad2002@yahoo.com
 
Difference of opinion? Damned straight. Those aren't the words of a friend.

You know, another issue from the 'black and white', absolutist world of neo-conservatism I have noticed.

I have a huge amount of respect for US achievements in literature, culture, science, technology. I have huge amount of respect for the institutions, systems and processes it has in place, though I may disagree with the outcomes that arise from them. In fact, as the citizen of another country, my respect almost borders on envy, since I would love to see all of that replicated in my own country.

That I was able to volunteer for Obam's campaign and try and effect change at a grass roots level only deepened my respect, whether it actually brings about change is another matter, but I tried, and the system in the US let me.

However, I have very, very little respect for US foreign policy - I resent and oppose it vehemently, and I have explained why - that should be pretty clear by now. You can say 'whatever' all you like, but I have not received a straight answer to the argument I have been making for over a year now - that the US alienated Pakistan, undermined its NI, and in the process made the WoT much harder.
 
Peshawarites’ worst fears refuse to go away
By Ismail Khan

THE capital of the North-West Frontier Province may be less vulnerable than it was, say five months ago, when militants lurking around in the tribal regions from southern fringes to the southeast, west and northwestern borderline, were menacingly poised to march in.

The landscape, in both strategic and physical sense, has changed much since then but the spectre of a militant irruption continues to haunt Peshawarites day in and day out.

The semi-autonomous Darra Adamkhel, the fabled arms manufacturing town astride the Indus Highway to the south of Peshawar, has been largely cleared of militants. The strategic road connecting Peshawar with Karachi is now open.

Bara, a sub-district of Khyber region, from where armed vigilantes of Mangal Bagh’s Lashkar-i-Islam made regular forays into Peshawar, has been neutralised, though the adjacent Jamrud sub-district is fast turning into another militant redoubt, threatening not only the supply route to Afghanistan but also Peshawar itself.

Militants in Bajaur tribal region, to the west of Peshawar, are on the retreat, while they are being squeezed in Mohmand, to the northwest, from three sides after this week’s operation by security forces.

In territorial terms, say analysts, the militants have lost much of the ground they had been holding so far and this alone should have given Peshawarites the comfort of enjoying a sounder sleep.

Far from it, their nightmare has grown longer and in some ways even scarier. Kidnappings have registered a phenomenal increase. From January till last week, there have been 124 reported cases of kidnapping, including 60 cases of kidnapping for ransom.

This figure does not include countless cases of abduction that have not been reported to the police, largely due to loss of faith in government agencies. This has led people to negotiate the release of loved ones on their own, often ending in payment of huge ransoms.

And such kidnappings might still have been treated as routine crime by those living in cosy, barricaded surroundings had there not been a surge in assassinations and kidnappings of foreign diplomats and aid workers.

Beginning in February, Pakistan’s Ambassador to Afghanistan, Tariq Azizuddin, was kidnapped from Jamrud sub-district of Khyber, just a stone’s throw away from Peshawar, while en route to Kabul.

He and his driver ended up in South Waziristan. Months later their release was made possible after payment of a heavy ransom and release of some militants from government custody.

It was not a one-off incident. On Aug 26, the vehicle of Lynn Tracy, Principal Officer at the US Consulate in Peshawar, was fired at in the University Town, another posh area favoured by western diplomats and foreign aid workers. She survived the attack.

In September, the Afghan ambassador-designate to Pakistan, Abdul Khaliq Farahi, was abducted from the posh and upscale Hayatabad town in broad daylight, while on his way back home after work. His driver was killed. The whereabouts of Mr Farahi remain a mystery, though officials had initially claimed that those holding him had demanded a ransom and release of their comrades in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The real shockers came in rather quick succession. An American aid worker employed by a USAID-funded project for development in the tribal region was shot dead along with his driver in the University Town, while leaving for office.

The very next day, militants kidnapped a junior Iranian diplomat after killing his police escort in Hayatabad on one of the main roads during the usual morning rush hours.

Friday’s incident of firing on a Japanese journalist and his Peshawar-based Afghan fixer is another story altogether, apparently involving illegal crossing from Hayatabad into the adjoining tribal area. However, it too reflects the fast deteriorating security environment in the provincial capital.

Last week’s rather embarrassing incident of looting of wheat and military supplies meant for Afghanistan and Nato in Jamrud tribal region, neighbouring Peshawar, should also be seen in the same light.

The World Food Program (WFP) has complained that 900 tons of humanitarian food and oil supplies for the poor in Afghanistan and Pakistan worth $1 million have been looted, mostly in the NWFP.

What has caused this dramatic surge in kidnappings and high-profile assassinations? Government and security officials acknowledge they have been anticipating the phenomenon following the launch of military operations in Darra Adamkhel, Bajaur and now Mohmand.

“They are reacting and they are reacting in a manner that is causing us not just national but international embarrassment,” one official admitted. But whether such anticipation led to an effective security plan is a question many analysts are asking.

That the police is under-manned, poorly equipped and suffering from a degree of demoralisation is just one aspect of the worsening law and order situation in Peshawar.

Reluctance by other security forces to chip in with men and material to beef up security, owing to their own growing engagements in Bajaur and Mohmand, and the level of threat perception to Peshawar, as perceived by other state security agencies, may also be factors in effectively dealing with the situation.

Little wonder then, barricades, barriers and checkpoints are emerging on almost all main roads leading into Peshawar, including Hayatabad, owing to its proximity to the tribal area, reflecting what some security official call a ‘bunker mentality’.

There are, however, some officials who believe that a marriage of convenience between militants and hardened criminals, some of them backed by elements from outside the country, has morphed into something that would require not only the use of effective force to dislodge them from their remaining strongholds but also effective policing based on criminal intelligence. “Right now, criminal intelligence is a zilch,” commented a senior official.

For instance, the Criminal Investigation Department (CID), which once served as the bulwark against organised criminal networks, has lost its direction due to years of neglect.

Intelligence agencies, officials grumble, have also yet to overcome their caginess about sharing much-needed intelligence with security forces, chiefly the police, at the tactical level to enable them to go after cells that, they fear, are likely to mushroom as militants lose control of areas and melt into tribal, rural and urban areas.

“This is the new challenge and new threat perception that is most likely to emerge as operations against militants in the tribal area continue the way they are,” a senior government official said.

“This may not happen any time soon. We have to realise that we are into it for a long haul and, therefore, must put our act and resources together. Complacency at this stage is not only going to be counter-productive but also dangerous,” the official added.

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S S Shezad's analysis (failure in Bajaur and Swat) seems at odds with most of the reports coming out of the area. His gloom and doom scenarios seem more and more like they would be at home on an AQ website.

Ismail Khan paints a different picture - of the militants being squeezed, and possibly resorting to more 'criminal' behavior to continue.

Rescue Ranger:

The part in bold seems up your ally - any opinion on the direction local la enforcement and capacity building of the LEA's is moving?
 
Rabzon is this not like Operational Hammer/Anvil back in 2003? Where Pak troops would be the hammer and the US would be the anvil eventually both parties would have eradicated or at least serious decapitated the leadership, mobility and functioning capacity of the Taliban and their buzzom buddies?

Also we already had Information sharing and access to sat-imagery from the US so now this move, will US troops fight militants in Afghanistan whilst we fight them in Pakistan or will it be something more controversial?

However you are absolutely right! This seems to be a step in the right direction! :enjoy:
Yeah I remember that operation. At that time the neocons had already started another war before the first one was finished, they had rushed off to war against Iraq’s (which began on March 20, 2003) Saddam Hussein, who had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. That diverted lot of US military and intelligence assets from Afghanistan toward Iraq.

Just another neocon blunder. :disagree:
 
That I was able to volunteer for Obam's campaign and try and effect change at a grass roots level only deepened my respect, whether it actually brings about change is another matter, but I tried, and the system in the US let me.
Cheers! :enjoy:
 
On the front line in war on Pakistan's Taliban.

High in the mountainous north west provinces of Pakistan, government forces are waging a bitter war against Taliban militants who have made the region a stronghold. As US predator drones criss-cross the sky overhead, troops on the ground endure a daily confrontation with suicide bomber attacks, mortar fire and the piercing cold.

Jason Burke

guardian.co.uk, Sunday November 16 2008

The Observer, Sunday November 16 2008

Ali Hussein, a sergeant in the Sindh Regiment of the Pakistani Army, peers over the lip of his sandbagged machinegun pit to see the following: a muddy patch of farmland divided into a chaos of individual fields, a row of slender birch trees, a dry river valley and, almost invisible among the trees half a mile away, a village called Khusar. Over his head, shells screech through the air towards its half-dozen mud-walled houses.

A rocket-propelled grenade cracks out in solitary, futile response, leaving a trail of spiralling smoke in the chill dawn air. There is the continual crackle of small-arms fire, the distant thud of a mortar.

Khusar lies in Bajaur, a 500-square- mile jumble of valleys and hills high on Pakistan's north-western border with Afghanistan. Few outside Pakistan had heard of Bajaur until recently. But now the fighting here - the biggest single clash of conventional forces and Islamic militants anywhere - is being watched closely around the globe.

The battle of Bajaur has huge local and international implications. Locally, it is a critical test for the new Pakistani civilian government of Asif Ali Zardari, the controversial widower of Benazir Bhutto. The recent bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad is thought to be a response to the Bajaur offensive. Regionally, the battle is a chance for the Pakistani Army to rebut allegations that it is dragging its feet in the fight against international extremism. Internationally, the fight is crucial for the 40-nation coalition fighting in Afghanistan. Not only will its result determine who controls the supply route that crosses the Khyber Pass just to its south - where militants hijacked a 60-vehicle Nato convoy last week - but it will also show if the semi-autonomous 'tribal agencies' that line the mountainous zones on the Pakistan side of the frontier can be stabilised. It is there that al-Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban leadership are hiding. Peace in Afghanistan will remain a distant prospect until the frontier is calmed.

So the efforts of men such as Sergeant Ali Hussein are being watched very closely. When President-elect Barack Obama takes office, the file of Pakistan, a nuclear-capable state of 173 million, will top the pile in the foreign affairs in-tray. According to Bruce Reidel, a former CIA analyst who has recently been appointed Obama's adviser on the region, 'every nightmare that worries Americans about the 21st century comes together in Pakistan in a unique and combustible way'.

To reach the combat zone in Bajaur, the Pakistani Army goes the long way round. Last week The Observer travelled with it. Dozens of soldiers have been killed with remote-controlled or suicide bombs on these roads in recent months. A single Jeep takes four hours, the mammoth supply convoys inching along the mountain roads take nine.

The convoys leave the border city of Peshawar - which has its own problems. Fighting in the surrounding countryside has spilled into urban areas. Last week, a suicide bomb in the city's stadium killed four people, an Iranian diplomat was kidnapped, two journalists were wounded in an ambush and gunmen murdered an American aid worker. 'It's going to be a bloody few weeks and months,' said Iqbal Khattak, a Peshawar newspaper editor.

From the city's crowded bazaars the convoys head east, taking the new motorway that leads to Islamabad, the capital, 120 miles away. Its six lanes slice through haphazard fields of sugar cane and wheat where peasants work with hoes and bullock-drawn ploughs. A few yards from the hard shoulder, beyond a line of posts now stripped of fencing by scrap metal thieves, lie villages where the only concrete building is the mosque and the main fuel is dried manure.

Turning north, the convoys head towards the first hills of the Hindu Kush. The land becomes poorer, the road narrower, the towns scruffier. A steep climb leads into the valley of Malakand, where more than a century ago a young British army officer called Winston Churchill fought the local tribes in operations like those under way along the frontier today. The relatively peaceful plains have been left behind.

Another two hours on winding roads across fast-flowing rivers and narrow passes and you reach Bajaur, a cluster of high, fertile valleys split by menacing ridges. Last week belts of rain lashed the dank fields and drenched the soldiers manning the many roadblocks around the agency's administrative centre of Khar, 15 miles back from the front.

Colonel Muhammad Nauman Saeed, who has 28 years of service, a greying beard and Sandhurst English, explains that, after weeks of operations, the mixed force of 4,000 troops and paramilitaries known as the Frontier Corps has pushed the militants back to positions that will be cut off when the snows come in a few weeks' time. The weather and a force of American and Afghan national army soldiers across the frontier will mean they are boxed in.

'Originally there were 5,000 militants and we have killed half of them at least,' the colonel said. His troops have lost 84 killed and 320 injured since the operation began.

A few hundred yards from his office, artillery fires salvos, sending orange flares of flame through the rain. From Khar, a dirt road leads to the front. Villages are deserted, the bazaars shut, the crops rot in the fields. Dozens of houses converted into strongholds by the militants have been demolished or occupied by the army. There is the constant rattle of small-arms fire, and the crack of rocket-propelled grenades and artillery overhead.

The front itself is a chaos of burnt-out homes, wrecked vehicles and pockets of bizarrely bucolic calm.

More than 200,000 civilians have fled and are now scattered in camps or living with relatives across the province.

Bajaur's recent history is repeated all along the frontier. In the aftermath of 2001, militants fleeing from Nato operations in Afghanistan, as well as Pakistan's own intermittent crackdowns on internal extremist groups, were able to exploit the social upheaval caused by conflict and economic change to establish themselves.

In Bajaur, local men formed bands around those with guns and access to cash, elbowing aside traditional tribal leaders. Militant leaders include a former teashop owner, a gunman, a known criminal and a minor cleric. One is from the violence-racked Kunar valley in Afghanistan. 'They are men from economically and socially marginalised elements in tribal society,' said a Peshawar-based expert and former senior bureaucrat, Khalid Aziz.

The disparate groups based themselves in the village of its chief and, with money and a little military training from al-Qaeda, soon established a miniature version of a hardline Islamist state, preaching jihad, closing girls' schools and DVD shops, and killing tribal leaders who stood in their way. According to Mohammed Shah, a former chief of security in the region, 'they are a loose federation rather than a unified movement'.

Al-Qaeda figures may have passed through Bajaur but did not stay. They did not need to. The brand of radical Islam that Osama bin Laden and others have succeeded in popularising in recent decades provided the glue for the various bands and the justification for the fight against their own government. The religious schools, which offer a free education, provided the footsoldiers. A skirmish this summer provided the spark for all-out war.

'They were not looking for a fight, but had prepared carefully for battle when it came', said Colonel Nauman. 'They are dug into complex, interlocking tunnel and bunker networks, and have huge reserves of ammunition.'

Bajaur, the northernmost of the seven tribal agencies along the frontier, had acted as a key entry point to and from Afghanistan, said Major-General Tariq Khan, the overall commander of the Bajaur operation, and was thus of 'immense strategic importance'.

A series of similar military operations over recent years has failed to pacify the tribal areas, often resulting in peace agreements controversial in Washington and Kabul. but lessons had been learnt, Khan said. The current operation would be 'the model' for the future. Last week troops started pushing into Mohmand, the next agency to the south.

Khan stressed the commitment of his troops. 'When our troops come into contact with the militants, they do not see them as Pakistanis or brother Muslims or whatever. They see them as the enemy. Those who have any doubts - and there are some - are those who have not come into contact with the reality on the ground.'

But the Pakistani Army still views the battles it is fighting against extremists very differently from Western strategists and policy-makers. Scores of private conversations with soldiers of all ranks reveal that few see themselves as fighting in a 'war on terror' that many of them abhor.

Many believe that India, Pakistan's long-term regional rival, and Afghanistan are manipulating the militants fighting in Pakistan. In a mirror image of the Western analysis that attributes the success of the Taliban in Afghanistan to their bases in Pakistan, the Pakistani officers blame the war in Afghanistan for their troubles at home.

Privately few have much good to say about the West either. Anti-American sentiment is widespread. Many - both on the front line and at senior levels - doubt that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11. Instead the officers and men interviewed by The Observer see their fight as a necessary struggle to purge their own nation of an internal threat. 'It is our war, not anyone else's,' said Colonel Nauman.

For many such officers, both the presence of al-Qaeda on their territory and the pressure from Washington to play a greater role in the war on terror complicate the situation. American money, technical assistance and equipment is welcome - the Pakistani military has received about £7bn from the US since 2001 - but interference on the ground is not. 'When it comes to operations in the tribal areas ... sometimes our agendas coincide, sometimes they do not,' admitted Major-General Khan.

Many oppose the remote-controlled missile strikes that, although they have killed many senior international militant figures, have enraged local people. Two villages hit in Bajaur agency in 2006 are now militant strongholds. The strikes are likely to continue, however. Western intelligence sources insist they have played a major role in disrupting potential terror attacks in the West and locally and have so demoralised al-Qaeda's leadership that key figures now sleep outside under trees and are convinced their organisation has been infiltrated.

One other key development being eagerly watched in Bajaur is the activity of local tribesmen who have formed so-called lashkars, traditional informal armed tribal militias that deal with specific problems, to force the militants out of their areas. 'The tribesmen have risen against the militants. It could be the turning point in our fight against militancy,' said Owais Ghani, the governor of the North-West Frontier Province.

Few doubt the eventual winner of the battle of Bajaur. Even senior militants are already melting away. The Observer found one in a slum area in Karachi, 1,000 miles to the south, earlier this month. But the question is what happens next. The key, analysts and soldiers agree, will be the political follow-through.

'The solutions to this conflict will not be military alone. The military can open up space for the administration of justice, political activity and development, said Major-General Tariq Khan. 'If we don't go down that road we will be in a vacuum, but I am sure these efforts are in train.'

Others are suggesting major political reform to end the tribal areas' special status and consequent isolation. A £500m development plan financed by the US has been launched. Britain has similar, smaller-scale projects. Yet with Pakistan's plunging economy and political instability, it is doubtful that the politicians and bureaucrats can - or want to - fill the vacuum.

Interviewed in Peshawar, captured militants predictably denied fighting in Bajaur. Instead most said their target was 'only' the 'Western occupiers' in Afghanistan, believing that such statements, made in front of Pakistani officers, would be appreciated by their audience.

One, however, was unashamed about his actions against his own government. The oldest of his fellow prisoners and alleged to be senior commander in Bajaur, the 45-year-old, a relatively wealthy man, said: 'If I am released, I will go straight back to what I was doing. Jihad is the only true path.'

The Khyber Pass: The Crossroads of Battle

At the foot of the Khyber Pass, only a hundred yards from where Pakistani dust becomes Afghan dust, is the busy frontier post of Torkham.

There, amid a chaos of overladen trucks, ragged children, tradesmen and fretful travellers, a blue painted stone lists the invaders who have crossed and recrossed this strategic staging post in the Hindu Kush.

From Alexander the Great's infantry to Mughal horsemen to British redcoats on punitive expeditions into Afghanistan to Winston Churchill to the Nato logistics trucks of today, few armies in the region have not fought, bribed or threatened their way through the massive cliffs and hairpins of the Khyber.

Even though the Soviets never penetrated Pakistan, the anti-tank ditches dug to stop them trying still lie beside the road adjacent to the badges of British regiments that are painted on the black rocks.

Last week, as Pakistani armed forces continued their battle with Taliban militants in Bajaur to the north where there is another crucial but much less famous crossing, there came a reminder that the Khyber remains as lawless as ever when trucks ferrying supplies to western forces in Afghanistan were hijacked by militants who later posed for photographs in front of the Humvee military vehicles before being chased off by attack helicopters.

But the Khyber is also a historic trade route too, for licit and illicit goods. Once it was caravans of spices, textiles, tea or looted wealth travelling between the plains of India and Persia or Europe. Later, camel trains brought the melons, pomegranates, horses and fat-tailed goats of Afghanistan.

In the 1990s convoys of local men would carry fridges and freezers across to Afghanistan only to bring them straight back, a customs dodge taking advantage of local trade agreements. But soldier, smuggler or honest merchant, no one has ever crossed the Khyber without the assent of the locals or without a fight.

For centuries, traders crossing the Khyber Pass have been routinely
'taxed' by local tribes, which have earned their living by providing 'safe conduct' to travellers. And the Pashtun clans living around the pass have always fiercely resisted any challenges to their autonomy.

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Good article Fatman.

I'll second S-2's observation, that it is refreshing and informative to be receiving more direct information on what is happening in Bajaur after so much time spent attempting to piece together the situation from articles and commentary gleaned here and there.

Several positive observations by Burke, some that I personally thought were important:

A series of similar military operations over recent years has failed to pacify the tribal areas, often resulting in peace agreements controversial in Washington and Kabul. but lessons had been learnt, Khan said. The current operation would be 'the model' for the future. Last week troops started pushing into Mohmand, the next agency to the south.

Khan stressed the commitment of his troops. 'When our troops come into contact with the militants, they do not see them as Pakistanis or brother Muslims or whatever. They see them as the enemy. Those who have any doubts - and there are some - are those who have not come into contact with the reality on the ground.'

... Privately few have much good to say about the West either. Anti-American sentiment is widespread. Many - both on the front line and at senior levels - doubt that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11. Instead the officers and men interviewed by The Observer see their fight as a necessary struggle to purge their own nation of an internal threat. 'It is our war, not anyone else's,' said Colonel Nauman.

The second paragraph especially ..

And this :
Few doubt the eventual winner of the battle of Bajaur. Even senior militants are already melting away. The Observer found one in a slum area in Karachi, 1,000 miles to the south, earlier this month. But the question is what happens next. The key, analysts and soldiers agree, will be the political follow-through.

'The solutions to this conflict will not be military alone. The military can open up space for the administration of justice, political activity and development, said Major-General Tariq Khan. 'If we don't go down that road we will be in a vacuum, but I am sure these efforts are in train.'

Others are suggesting major political reform to end the tribal areas' special status and consequent isolation. A £500m development plan financed by the US has been launched. Britain has similar, smaller-scale projects. Yet with Pakistan's plunging economy and political instability, it is doubtful that the politicians and bureaucrats can - or want to - fill the vacuum.
 
S S Shezad's analysis (failure in Bajaur and Swat) seems at odds with most of the reports coming out of the area. His gloom and doom scenarios seem more and more like they would be at home on an AQ website.

another roggio perhaps!
 
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