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NORTH AFRICA IS ARAB...BULLSHIT! Although this particular subject has been discussed and hashed and rewarmed like a Mexican refried beans...The Maghrebi are anything but Arabs...Never were, never been , are , or are to become Arabs...
Unpublished tests of Berber DNA: 0% of oriental gene!
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One of the immense legacies is this language written on stone as an immiscible witness


If there is one area where Science is making spectacular leaps in terms of health checks based on DNA tests, and the growing ratio of supply to demand, coupled with a shattering evolution of data processing software, has made it accessible to all, it is that of genetic analysis.

Only a few years ago, exorbitant fees made them out of reach of most modest scholarships, but recently, such tests have truly democratized in the US, unlike Europe. France continues to take refuge behind ethical reasons unconvincing to justify excessive reluctance to follow the example of the United States, by adopting laws to facilitate and generalize DNA testing to the average citizen who wants it. Tests often reserved for police and justice investigations only. -This risk of creating enormous problems, says a colleague to justify such reluctance on the part of the public authorities! And, as an extreme example, he did not go by thirty-six ways: -Imagine a little that such analyzes reveal that your son is not your son! ? Holy Frenchies!

In addition to providing information on the pedigree distribution of your ancestors, which includes the imprint of a possible cross with the Neanderthal, these tests provide you with a wealth of information on the current state of your organization. , in terms of allergies, intolerance to certain foods, sensitivity to certain products, sleep disorders, alcohol resistance, etc ... About me, for example, a lactose intolerance has been identified, decades after hectoliters of milk had burst into the gargamelle and Dionysus was missing. Had I known better, my prostate would be protected from some small problems. But hey, it's better to know it late than ever!

In addition to a personal interest, essentially linked to a comprehensive health check, the most attractive aspect, as a collective, is the information, established with excellent precision, on the distribution of our genetic heritage, which contains real imprints of the interferences that our ancestors have kept from those they have had to rub shoulders with force or through the times and eras of our 2966 years of history!

Thus, through the results of my own analyzes, I learn that parents, grandparents and great-grandparents are all born in a group of neighboring villages within a circle that does not exceed a few small kms of radius, even a few hundred meters long before "our ancestors the Gauls" occupy and transform Larvâa-Nath-Iraten National Fort in 1857 (conferring a zero probability that there was any crossing of the Roumis of 1832 with my ancestors) that my DNA contains 87,8% of North African gene (one could suspect it!), 11% of European gene (those of the Iberian Peninsula and Italy added) , 0.5% of a North-African hybrid gene, 0% of purely oriental gene, 0% of sub-Saharan gene,and a slight hint of a Neanderthal gene (which can be understood also, since the crossing of the Neanderthal man with Homo-Sapiens could only take place in Europe, there are more than 30,000 This trace has inevitably become embedded in the 11% of Italo-Hispanic genes).

Of course, these individual results can in no way serve as an absolute reference to allow us any extrapolation lightness to all Amazighs, that is to say, to all North Africans! But, it's a safe bet that if DNA analyzes are performed on representative samples of all our tribes, the oriental gene would be extremely rare! Moreover, just take a serene look at the story to be convinced. How on earth can 700 horsemen, who arrived on our lands without women or children, erase the genetics of millennia of evolution? Unless you bring in qadrat Allah! In which case, of course "temmet el-hikaya!" (end of the story !). As to state, in a very light manner in a history textbook intended for our little cherubim, that Algeria is 80% Arab, so much fun while expiring deeply to avoid suffocating by such nauseating smell of falsification, even putrefaction of our own bodies, while we are not dead yet!

Such smell continues me since the article "Questions to Algerians" Nourredine Boukrouh, appeared in Le Soir d'Algerie, in January 2016 (*). In this contribution, our enlightened presidentialist strives to dismantle in a quasi-atomic way, with a caustic humor whose darkness is matched only by that of the cave hira, the raison d'être of the Berber calendar, which cleverly combines 2966 years of history and not 1438, as required by our forced and almost irreversible attachment to the "umma"! Mr. Boukrouh goes crazy in facades little academic to disturb the fact that we posted 2966 years on the clock, a good millennium ahead of the children of Jesus and 15 centuries on those of Muhammad, while, according to his own appreciations of what any civilization which boasts of a millennial calendar should represent, we can not boast of any invention, no technology, no know-how that would have left the imprint of "our genius" on the evolution of humanity! Basically, we would have 1000 to 1500 years in advance whereas the logic of the conquistadors of all edges would like us to be relegated to the tail of the peoples who brought us many advances. The most laudable and the most generous, you will have guessed right, being that of the banou-Hillal, those messengers whom Allah would have charged to get us out of our primitive state with the privilege so coveted by other peoples to rally us to the rahma of the Arabian sky!

Whatever M. Boukrouh thinks, these 2966 years of the Amazigh calendar represent the history of peaceful Mediterranean tribes and the piling up of a three-thousand-year period during which the Amazigh never sought to invade or encroach on any country located in out of their original Tamazgha! I would save myself an eloquent demonstration by simply pointing out that in terms of scientific advances, your 1438 post-Hegirian years have brought nothing either, if not a "divine" relentlessness to want to stupefy the whole humanity, and it continues in the year of grace 2966 of the Amazigh calendar! To realize such a performance, I concede it to you, we are quite incapable of it!

These 2966 years represent the trace of a wisdom and a subtle osmosis with Mother Nature that you who believe you more oriental than those who revolve around Mecca and Medina can transcend human reach!

These 2966 years represent the claw (s) of all the invaders who have succeeded on our lands to drive our ancestors out of the fertile plains and force them to take refuge in mountains that are not very welcoming and not conducive to any development in conformity with your definition, if not that of a peaceful life far removed from all sorts of barbarities that men, aided by dummy gods, have sown on the planet to plunder the riches of other men whose only fault is to cultivate their little gardens. happiness in the peace of the heart and the serenity of the soul, in the company of the silence of the trees, the song of the birds, and the laughter of the children (***).

These 2966 Yennayers represent the signature of our way of glimpsing the world and men, a bare look of alienating deception. We did not need to resort to any prophet descended from the mountain or out of a cave to reveal our vices, our virtues, our strengths or our weaknesses. Even though, like all people in the four corners of the world, we often rely on the "Creator of Heaven and Earth" to appease our fears, our sufferings, and offer better days to our lineages, we have never put the happiness of ours on any overflow of the living space of others: "ekh'thil a'vardhass (a span), th'ekimedh dh'ilehna!" our old wise men, to warn us against any voracious appetite or inclination to fleeting fortunes.

These three millennia represent the torch of an oral education that is transmitted naturally without jolts or impulses. As rightly pointed out, a reader of Matindz (Kichi, Urfane, or Hend, I do not know any more) our mothers and our grandmothers were certainly illiterate, but they transmitted us messages of good behavior, of respect courtesy, politeness, affability and civility, these essential ingredients for any balance of community life that many countries, so-called civilized, have difficulty in inculcating all their citizens, despite the tremendous means dedicated to education of theirs! At home, the Amazighs, Mr. Boukrouh, the good education starts first at home. It's done primarily by mother and grandmother (and here I can assure you that thinking about my own grandmother, disappeared yet 45 years ago, gives me emotions so strong that I want to stop this text and shed a few tears in his memory). Of course, in your repository of analysis, unless you are a whiner, a man it should not cry, except ecstasy and contemplation in the vicinity of Mount 3araft! Is it necessary to use a series of additional statements to demonstrate that our semi-matriarchal society is in total opposition to a certain message that makes you turn your head for no logical reason and that makes the woman a penny? -Citoyenne, just good to veil and confined in the kitchen? Unless you are a whiner, a man must not cry except for ecstasy and contemplation in the neighborhood of Mount Laraft! Is it necessary to use a series of additional statements to demonstrate that our semi-matriarchal society is in total opposition to a certain message that makes you turn your head for no logical reason and that makes the woman a penny? -Citoyenne, just good to veil and confined in the kitchen? Unless you are a whiner, a man must not cry except for ecstasy and contemplation in the neighborhood of Mount Laraft! Is it necessary to use a series of additional statements to demonstrate that our semi-matriarchal society is in total opposition to a certain message that makes you turn your head for no logical reason and that makes the woman a penny? -Citoyenne, just good to veil and confined in the kitchen?

However, I concede, you are right on one point! Yes, we arrived barefoot in the 20th century, by the grace of the invaders who succeeded each other on our lands, but must we still admit that if all these conquerors from the north and east had left us alone, we we would not be worried about these technological advances and the global chaos that everyone predicts for the future and endangers the very survival of the human species. And it is certainly not these great mosques and these gigantic minarets that are built at any rate, to satisfy the madness of some nabot-Leon, in the face of billions of dollars worth of greatness, which will slow the descent into hell. !

And if we follow Boukrouh's rhetoric and quibbling, which insists and persists on the nonsense of our 2966-year history, then the Greeks did not bring anything to civilization! From the depths of their graves, Aristotle and Plato will appreciate, St. Augustine and Massinissa will turn around!

At this point, it may be useful to recall the positive role that the Iroquois have played in the making of constitutional texts and thus in the very foundations of the American democratic edifice. The first leaders of the new nation were inspired by the wisdom of these Native American tribes to write the constitution of their country: The famous "We, the people" is a layer reproduced integrally of Iroquois philosophy! So, why not follow the example of this great nation to make and initial a new Algerian constitution that stipulates from the outset "We the peoples of Algeria" (Mozabites, Chaouis, Kabyles, Tuaregs, etc. would certainly subscribe) all evacuating any reference to any deity, therefore to any religion,

Of course, it is well known, from your point of view, to dare such affirmations is pure provocation! Yes, probably! Provocation for those who strive to force this counter-nature stamp "our ancestors the Arabs" to Amazigh peoples, while violent interactions with other occupants have just abandoned the label " our ancestors the Gauls" !

In this respect, it is time to let the genetics speak. That our compatriots in the four corners of the world, those who a power under the orders of an insidious Islamic conquest has forced into exile make the sacrifice of DNA analysis fees, if only to question this insane classification spread over a school book, which exposes a scabrous count of the population of Algeria, spreading it in an overwhelming majority of Arabs and a crushed minority of Berbers!

In the US, just go to the local pharmacy to get a $ 30 kit and be guided. It will cost you 170 dollars more for analyzes that you will have, after 4 to 6 weeks, directly in your mailbox! In total, you will have spent $ 200 to discover who your ancestors are, in addition to a whole series of data of great importance concerning your health, which of course imply that of your affiliation. Needless to emphasize the preventive nature that such analyzes may have on certain genetic diseases.

Testing of a good thousand people would certainly be enough to extrapolate results across the country. At least we know who who, if we do not know who killed who during the dark decade, and that life is good for all and stop these falsifications of history, that of our genes, that of from our only ancestors ... the Amazighs of North Africa!

That our compatriots who claim to be Arab and proud to be so (if genetics prove it) know that we Amazighs are not animated by any feeling of malice towards anybody and do not caress any other dream than that of reclaiming the values of peace, tolerance, underlying the collective harmony of a certain "itij, avehri, thilli" that sums up an entire art of living that people located east of the 30th meridian and north of the 37th parallel, those who have invited themselves to us throughout history, can not capture the contours, despite a presence on our land that spans centuries before Amirouche and Abane Ramdane!

It is high time that everyone learned to curb these stunts of historical mystifications and that we take care not to bequeath to our children that lies as a unique heritage! History may well be falsified, the invaders of 1962 have been relentlessly striving for it for 54 years, but can we fudge the codes of our 2966 years of genetic inheritance? Mr. Boukrouh should meditate on it and hasten to let his genes speak too, before venturing to ask us more questions and give us other mockeries in the aftermath of Yennayer.

With all its means and all its logistics of assimilation, France has not managed to transform us into Gauls in 132 years of occupation, it is not small FLiN-tox misaligned who will succeed to kneel for us to dilute by force in an "umma" to which we do not belong, even if they persevere 1000 years still!

On the other hand, how even our DNA shows that we are neither Gauls nor Arabs, we vibrate in tune with the world and aspire for each inhabitant of this little stone lost in the universe to integrate the splendor of a blazing universalism of 'humanity. Our ancestors may have brought nothing in terms of scientific and technological advances (to quote President Boukrouh), but we dream of a world that, without taking the channels of the wormholes of space time ( these spatio-temporal bottlenecks that would explain the fact that a day with Allah is worth 50 years of earthly counting (!?), and that the Amazigh did not discover to justify their millennial bond, still according to Boukrouh), vibrates on each plot to the rhythms of wisdom and non-violence that our ancestors passed on to us. And if peace on the planet is not worth all the technologies of the world, then it is useless to hope for a better tomorrow for the peoples of the Earth! So accelerate this senseless race for destructive armaments, for some, and continue to erect alienating minarets, for others, while considering you more advanced than us, but thank you that we do not accuse the Amazigh people of not having been able to protect, from the height of their 2966 years of wisdom, a humanity that shatters and commits suicide by a dubious predisposition to the artificial which evacuates de facto essential sap which circulates in each of the veins of the homo-sapiens, that of the subtle enchantment that, despite everything, gives this brief passage on Earth. then it is useless to hope for a better tomorrow for the peoples of the Earth! So accelerate this senseless race for destructive armaments, for some, and continue to erect alienating minarets, for others, while considering you more advanced than us, but thank you that we do not accuse the Amazigh people of not having been able to protect, from the height of their 2966 years of wisdom, a humanity that shatters and commits suicide by a dubious predisposition to the artificial which evacuates de facto essential sap which circulates in each of the veins of the homo-sapiens, that of the subtle enchantment that, despite everything, gives this brief passage on Earth. then it is useless to hope for a better tomorrow for the peoples of the Earth! So accelerate this senseless race for destructive armaments, for some, and continue to erect alienating minarets, for others, while considering you more advanced than us, but thank you that we do not accuse the Amazigh people of not having been able to protect, from the height of their 2966 years of wisdom, a humanity that shatters and commits suicide by a dubious predisposition to the artificial which evacuates de facto essential sap which circulates in each of the veins of the homo-sapiens, that of the subtle enchantment that, despite everything, gives this brief passage on Earth.

In conclusion, regardless of the degree of disparagement that one and the other bear on our ancestors and, by extension, on all our tribes, we are proud of the Amazigh calendar, its radiation and the maturity displayed by our 2966 years of lineage, even if the right measure of a peaceful life, that which we wanted to bequeath to our ancestors, was caught up in a whirlwind of technological mirages which will inexorably bring our posterity into the same furrow of extinction as that of all peoples who believe they have inherited the grace of God to occupy the planet Earth ad vitae aeternam! In any case, with 0% of oriental gene, we will leave this world with the satisfaction, so rude was it, that the syllogism "all Arabs are Muslims, or you are Arab, so you are Muslim" does not apply to the Amazighs.

In this regard, it must be admitted that Mohamed Benchicou was a step ahead of us all, when, in a paper that we were many to point fingers, he quickly said "when will we announce the death of Arabs? " (**). At the time, we had taken such a statement in the first degree, to the point of attributing to it, wrongly obviously, a character almost segregationist, while it was indeed a position lucid, courageous and before- guard against this power of andouilles and its many valets who strive to vibrate, fatal resonance, the genes of Algerians on a DNA unnatural since the last invasion of our land was fomented by our new settlers and executed by an army of frontiers at the orders of Nasser and the Orient!

To your genetic kits, citizens! If only to justify Kateb Yacine, Ammi Moh, and all non-Berber-speaking citizens who have always known who their ancestors were. Even if the wind of time and submission has finally overcome some age-old phonemes by scratching their vocal chords, their courage, their fight, their commitment to the genus and the Amazigh gene have never failed. call!

Kacem Madani
 
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Ancestors of North Africans came from Levant. You are genetically closer to Arabs than you are to Europeans or Sub-Saharan Africans.

Practically every DNA tests available shows Maghrebis (Moroccans, Tunisians and Algerians) clustering closely with populations of the Arab world. Closer than any other group of people in the world.

That's not even included the language, culture, phenotype, history, geography etc.

The article above provides zero proof and might as well have been written by a drunk guy. It's laughable really.

As for the thread starter he is an Arab-obsessed (in particular about KSA, Egypt, Morocco and Iraq) stateless Kabyle fanatic (some 4-5 million people worldwide) that lives in La La Land. Arabized for 40 generations + and indistinguishable from Arabs by large. DNA wise as well. Zero personal contact with any Arabs. Only the ones in Algeria that those fanatics see as "enemies". Ironically extremism is most prevalent in that province in all of Algeria. Either you have extremists or extreme anti-Muslims. There is rarely any middle ground.

The guy is so dumb that he does not know that Arabs and Berbers are closely related people (cousins), belonging to the same language family (Afro-Asiatic), geography and phenotypes. In the Maghreb there is no pure Arab or Berber. Most are Arab-Berber mixtures.

All the Maghrebi users on PDF understand this as they are educated people and not obsessed fanatics.

Not only that 90% of all Maghrebis identity as Arabs and 99% of the world as well. Most people do not know what a Berber is. No matter how much he barks he will be considered as an Arab by 99% of the world's 7.6 billion big population.






10 + million Banu Hilal descendants in Algeria alone:

Anyway just a single visit to any Arab forum or even social media like Youtube, will quickly show the warm brotherly ties and mutual respect between Saudi Arabians and Algerians.



Belmokaddem Adilfor
I'm Algerian, and my tribe came originally 1200 years ago from the Arabian Peninsula, I feel 100% Saudi <3



Los Santosfor
i love saudi arabia your brother from algeria f-word the white pigs f-word usa pigs long live to saudi arabia and alla arabs muslims countries


Adel Adel
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حتى وإن كان هناك خلاف مع السعودية .فامنها خط احمر لكل الجزائريين وبدمنا نفديها


Rime Rima
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تعيش السعودية و الجزائر ⁦⁩⁦⁩⁦⁩⁦⁩


Chawki Malek
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مهما كانت الاسباب . الله له مخطط اخر ، هذه بوادر توحد المسلمين ، مهما اختلفنا يجب ان ندعم بعضنا البعض ونشجع التقارب وكفانا تخوين احدنا للاخر ، الماضي ماضي ، لا نريد خسارة السعودية و لا خسارة مصر ولا خشارة الجزائر لان العدو الخارجي يتقرب في الزاوية



Assam Man
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الحمد لله على كل حال المهم كي رحبو خاوتي باهد الظيف بارك الله فيهم حمترو وجوهنا ومرحبا بيهم في كل ولاية يجدون حسن الظيافة


gamer dz
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اشتركو في قناتي اخواني الكرام ارجوكم نحن العرب نساعد بعضنا بعض احبكم ❤❤❤❤ و انا عربي و ليس امازيغي

I feel sad for the small minority of Kabyle people who still, in this day and age (2018) do not understand that Arabs and Berbers are brothers and cousins (closely related people, same language family (Afro-Asiatic - the oldest in the world), that there are no pure Kabyle (never were - Semitic Phoenicians, Carthaginians, Germanic Vandals, Romans, Africans (hence the African admixture in Maghrebis) etc. Luckily those, mainly few diaspora Kabyle, are insignificant (a drop in the ocean) but if reading their nonsense (also aimed at other Algerians and Algeria itself) a foreigner could quickly believe that there is some kind of great hostility which in reality is non-existent.

Their national hero and most famous contemporary personality (past many centuries at least) is called Abdelkader ibn Muhieddine al-Hasani. Otherwise known as Emir Abdelkader (عبد القادر الجزائري). A national hero of Hijazi origin.





Many Adnanites settled in Algeria including Quraysh and 5 clans of Ghatafan so the close resemblance is not surprising.


Genetic Evidence for the Expansion of Arabian Tribes into the Southern Levant and North Africa

"In a recent publication, Bosch et al. (2001) reported on Y-chromosome variation in populations from northwestern (NW) Africa and the Iberian peninsula. They observed a high degree of genetic homogeneity among the NW African Y chromosomes of Moroccan Arabs, Moroccan Berbers, and Saharawis, leading the authors to hypothesize that “the Arabization and Islamization of NW Africa, starting during the 7th century ad, … [were] cultural phenomena without extensive genetic replacement” (p. 1023). H71 (Eu10) was found to be the second-most-frequent haplogroup in that area. Following the hypothesis of Semino et al. (2000), the authors suggested that this haplogroup had spread out from the Middle East with the Neolithic wave of advance. Our recent findings (Nebel et al. 2000, 2001), however, suggest that the majority of Eu10 chromosomes in NW Africa are due to recent gene flow caused by the migration of Arabian tribes in the first millennium of the Common Era (ce).

In the sample of NW Africans (Bosch et al. 2001), 16 (9.1%) of the 176 Y chromosomes studied were of Eu10 (H71 on a haplogroup 9 background). Of these 16 chromosomes, 14 formed a compact microsatellite network: 7 individuals shared a single haplotype, and the haplotypes of the other 7 were one or two mutational steps removed. This low diversity may be indicative of a recent founder effect. Where did these chromosomes come from?

The highest frequency of Eu10 (30%–62.5%) has been observed so far in various Moslem Arab populations in the Middle East (Semino et al. 2000; Nebel et al. 2001). The most frequent Eu10 microsatellite haplotype in NW Africans is identical to a modal haplotype (DYS19-14, DYS388-17, DYS390-23, DYS391-11, DYS392-11, DYS393-12) of Moslem Arabs who live in a small area in the north of Israel, the Galilee (Nebel et al. 2000). This haplotype, which is present in the Galilee at 18.5%, was termed the modal haplotype of the Galilee (MH Galilee) (Nebel et al. 2000). Notably, it is absent from two distinct non-Arab Middle Eastern populations, Jews and Muslim Kurds, both of whom have significant Eu10 frequencies—18% and 12%, respectively (Nebel et al. 2001). Interestingly, this modal haplotype is also the most frequent haplotype (11 [∼41%] of 27 individuals) in the population from the town of Sena, in Yemen (Thomas et al. 2000). Its single-step neighbor is the most common haplotype of the Yemeni Hadramaut sample (5 [∼10%] of 49 chromosomes; Thomas et al. 2000). The presence of this particular modal haplotype at a significant frequency in three separate geographic locales (NW Africa, the Southern Levant, and Yemen) makes independent genetic-drift events unlikely.

It should be noted that the Yemeni samples (Thomas et al. 2000) were not typed for the binary markers (p12f2 and M172) that define Eu10. However, both Yemeni modal haplotypes are present on a haplogroup background compatible with Eu10. These haplotypes carry a DYS388 allele with a high number of repeats (i.e., 17). High repeat numbers of DYS388, ⩾15, were found to occur almost exclusively on Hg9, which comprises Eu9 and Eu10. Furthermore, in a sample of a six Middle Eastern populations, chromosomes with 17 repeats are frequent (40%) in Eu10 and rare (7%) in Eu9 (Nebel et al. 2001).

The term “Arab,” as well as the presence of Arabs in the Syrian desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century bce (Eph'al 1984). Originally referring to nomads of central and northern Arabia, the term “Arabs” later came to include the sedentary population of the south, which had its own language and culture. The term thus covers two different stocks that became linguistically and culturally unified yet retained consciousness of their discrete origins (Grohmann et al. 1960; Rentz 1960; Caskel 1966, pp. 19–47; Goldziher 1967, pp. 45–97, 164–190; Beeston 1995; also see Peters 1999). Migrations of southern Arabian tribes northwards have been recorded mainly since the 3d century ce. These tribes settled in various places in central and northern Arabia, as well as in the Fertile Crescent, including areas that are now part of Israel (Dussaud 1955; Ricci 1984). The emergence of Islam in the 7th century ce furthered the unification of the Arabian tribal populations. This unified Arab-Islamic community engaged in a large movement of expansion, the Fertile Crescent and Egypt being the first areas to have been conquered. It is very difficult to trace the tribal composition of the Muslim armies, but it is known that tribes of Yemeni origin formed the bulk of those Muslim contingents that conquered Egypt in the middle of the 7th century ce. Egypt was the primary base for raids further west into the Maghrib. The conquest of North Africa was difficult and took a few decades to complete (Abun-Nasr 1987). The region was militarily and administratively attached to Egypt until the beginning of the 8th century ce. Arab tribes of northern origin entered North Africa as well, both as troops and as migrants. A major wave of migration of such tribes, the Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, occurred during the 11th century ce (Abun-Nasr 1987). Thus, the Arabs, both southern (Yemeni) and northern, added to the heterogeneous Maghribi ethnic melting pot.

Little is known of the origins of the indigenous population of the Maghrib, the Berbers, except that they have always been a composite people. After the 8th century ce, a process of Arabization affected the bulk of the Berbers, while the Arab-Islamic culture and population absorbed local elements as well. Under the unifying framework of Islam, on the one hand, and as a result of the Arab settlement, on the other, a fusion took place that resulted in a new ethnocultural entity all over the Maghrib. In addition, Berber tribes sometimes claimed Arab descent in order to enhance their prestige. For example, the Berber nomadic tribe of the western Sahara, the Lamtuna, claimed descent from one of the South Arabian eponyms, Himyar. One of the chiefs of this Berber tribe, Lamtuna, is sometimes referred to as Saharawi, meaning “one of the nomads” or “one who comes from the Sahara” (Ibn al-Athir 1898, p. 462; Ibn Khallikan 1972, pp. 113, 128–129; Lewicki 1986). In Arabic sources, however, the name Saharawi is seldom used and does not seem to refer to a specific genealogical group. In light of these historical data, it is not surprising to find, among the Berbers and contemporary Saharawis of northern Africa, Y chromosomes that may have been introduced by recurrent waves of invaders from the Arabian Peninsula.

These documented historical events, together with the finding of a particular Eu10 haplotype in Yemenis, Palestinians, and NW Africans, are suggestive of a recent common origin of these chromosomes. Remarkably, the only non-Arabs in whom this haplotype has been observed to date are the Berbers (Bosch et al. 2001). It appears that the Eu10 chromosome pool in NW Africa is derived not only from early Neolithic dispersions but also from recent expansions from the Arabian peninsula.

American Society of Human Genetics"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC379148/


Also I was not aware of their being an "Arab" or "North African" genome considering the fact that all haplogroups predate all living ethnic groups by millennia and given that all ethnic groups are social constructs.

Anyway this runs contrary to ground realities which show the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)

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Basically across the entire Arab world (which shares a millennia long common Semitic and Afro-Asiatic history and ancestry that predates the Neolithic period and all existing ethnic groups in the Arab world) the same haplogroups are found. The only difference is their frequency but Arabs cluster with each other more than any other people on all genetic tests which is not strange given history.


Genetics

Haplogroup J and E1b1b are the most frequent Y-DNA haplogroups in the Arab world. E1b1b is the most frequent paternal clade among the populations in the western part of the Arab world (Maghreb, Nile Valley and Horn of Africa), whereas haplogroup J is the most frequent paternal clade toward the east (Arabian peninsula and Near East). Other less common haplogroups are R1a, R1b, G, I, L and T.[304][305][306][307][308][309][310][311][312][313][314][315][316]


J-M267

J-M172

E-M215

Listed here are the human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups in Arabian peninsula, Mashriq/Levant, Maghreb and Nile Valley.[317][318][319][320][321][322][323] Yemeni Arabs J(82.3%), E1b1b (12.9%) and E1b1a (3.2%).[324][325] Saudi Arabs J1 (58%), E1b1b(7.6%), E1b1a (7.6%), R1a (5.1%), T (5.1%), G (3.2%) and L (1.9%).[326][327] Emirati Arabs J (45.1%), E1b1b (11.6%), R1a (7.3%), E1b1a (5.5%), T (4.9%), R1b (4.3%) and L (3%).[324] Omani Arabs J (47.9%), E1b1b (15.7%), R1a (9.1%), T (8.3%), E1b1a (7.4%), R1b (1.7%), G (1.7%) and L (0.8%).[328] Qatari Arabs J (66.7%), R1a (6.9%), E1b1b (5.6%), E1b1a (2.8%), G (2.8%) and L (2.8%).[329][330] Lebanese Arabs J (45.2%), E1b1b (25.8%), R1a (9.7%), R1b (6.4%), G, I and I (3.2%), (3.2%), (3.2%).[331] Syrian Arabs J (58.3%),[332][333] E1b1b (12.0%), I (5.0%), R1a (10.0%) and R1b 15.0%.[331][333] Palestinian Arabs J (55.2%), E1b1b (20.3%), R1b (8.4%), I(6.3%), G (7%), R1a and T (1.4%), (1.4%).[334][335] Jordanian Arabs J (43.8%), E1b1b (26%), R1b (17.8%), G (4.1%), I (3.4%) and R1a (1.4%).[336] Iraqi Arabs J (50.6%), E1b1b (10.8%), R1b (10.8%), R1a (6.9%) and T (5.9%).[337][338] Egyptian Arabs E1b1b (36.7%) and J (32%), G (8.8%), T (8.2% R1b (4.1%), E1b1a (2.8%) and I(0.7%).[319][339] Sudanese Arabs J (47.1%), E1b1b (16.3%), R1b (15.7%) and I (3.13%).[340][341] Moroccan Arabs E1b1b (75.5%) and J1 (20.4%).[342][343] Tunisian ArabsE1b1b (49.3%), J1 (35.8%), R1b (6.8%) and E1b1a (1.4%).[344] Algerian Arabs E1b1b (54%), J1 (35%), R1b (13%).[344] Libyan Arabs E1b1b (35.88%), J (30.53%), E1b1a (8.78%), G (4.20%), R1a/R1b (3.43%) and E (1.53%).[345][346]

The mtDNA haplogroup J has been observed at notable frequencies among overall populations in the Arab world.[347] The maternal clade R0 reaches its highest frequency in the Arabian peninsula,[348] while K and T(specifically subclade T2) is more common in the Levant.[347] In the Nile Valley and Horn of Africa, haplogroups N1and M1;[348] in the Maghreb, haplogroups H1 and U6 are more significant.[349]

There are four principal West Eurasian autosomal DNA components that characterize the populations in the Arab world: the Arabian, Levantine, Coptic and Maghrebi components.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs#Genetics



Haplogroup J and E are those that dominate the Arab world and surprise, surprise, those two haplogroups are found at its highest frequencies in all as in all, Arab countries and populations.

Not only that almost everyone in the Arab world identifies as an Arab and follows Arab culture, excluding closely related fellow Semitic and Afro-Asiatic peoples, which is the most important thing, even if we assume that there was no genetic relation, which is obviously the case.

We share language, Islamic history as well as ancient pre-Islamic history, ancestry, culture, religion (s), geography, cuisine, climate and we look alike, excluding our Afro-Arab minorities.

I guess more than 99% of all other ethnic groups.

Case closed.



@HannibalBarca @Hamilcar @SALMAN F

Anyway this stateless guy (fanatical troll) can claim to be a pure Saharan Toureg. For all I care he can identify as a Papuan. There are 500 million Arabs out there and the Maghreb will not erase 1400 years of history nor kill off 99% of its people (those with Arab ancestry or partial Arab ancestry = basically everyone).

As a side note the mentally ill guy called a Pakistani woman on PDF ( @Hiraa ) a whore directly in French for her praising the beauty and historical depth of Saudi Arabia (as numerous users did) in a thread that I created about tourism in KSA, opportunities and challenges. Unmotivated, just to derail a thread.

Post 47 below:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/tour...-and-challenges-open-discussion.564089/page-4

I suggest reporting it.


That is his level and not the first of such comments.

Admit what? How can you hate somebody that you don't even freaking know? And Can you say that I hate arabs, when we share blood and culture... For a supposed learned individual, you are really lacking in social skills. Sometimes, you act like an imbecile..and you are showing it here...

Post 21 in this thread below:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/9-11-the-rothschild-zionist-connection.295272/page-2

The guy is mentally ill. As in really mentally ill. He is known as the "village idiot" on the Arab section for a reason.
 
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Amazigh people have a beautiful culture. I have a lot of respect for you guys.
Aside from this trolling clown It was the amazigh who protected Islam in al Andalus and North Africa

Also the amazigh are not that different from Arabs

Arabs are farmers, nomads and urban people the amazigh are the same

The Arabs are tribes and clans the amazigh are the same

The Arabs are known to be great warriors and warlike people who have hospitality and refuse to give the one who seek refuge in their lands to his enemies amazigh are the same

Also Arabs and amazigh culture have a lot of similarities with Pashtun culture and tribal society and also the samurai culture and society
 
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Aside from this trolling clown It was the amazigh who protected Islam in al Andalus and North Africa

Also the amazigh are not that different from Arabs

Arabs are farmers, nomads and urban people the amazigh are the same

The Arabs are tribes and clans the amazigh are the same

The Arabs are known to be great warriors and warlike people who have hospitality and refuse to give the one who seek refuge in their lands to his enemies amazigh are the same

Also Arabs and amazigh culture have a lot of similarities with Pashtun culture and tribal society and also the samurai culture and society

Do Amazigh people have a code like Pukhtoon wali (tribal code/law)?

@Ceylal Is there any difference in settled cultures and nomadic cultures of Amazigh, like how city Arabs/desert Arabs were different in Sahabah time?
 
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The Arabs have leveraged the ''Religion of Islam'' over other nations, starting with Ummayeds; the ones who dodge this live in peace and order for decades and the next decades, the rest who could not dodge is to stay in chaos for decades and the next decades.

The Islam and Arab/ic is not the same thing.
 
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Question is why are Arabs on this forum so obsessed with DNA?

Then sell the Islam, ummah mummah bs to the poor Pakistanis here lol.
 
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Question is why are Arabs on this forum so obsessed with DNA?

Then sell the Islam, ummah mummah bs to the poor Pakistanis here lol.

We are not sold anything.

We simply love Islam. We love Allah swt. We love Muhammad Mustafa saws. We love all Muslims throughout the world.

I think Turks are very similar to us from what I have seen.

All this is independent of Arabs or anyone else.

The Islam and Arab/ic is not the same thing.

Islam is primordial, before humanity existed. It is divine truth, which transcends any language or culture.

Just as Old Hebrew and Aramaic were Allah swt's languages for divine revelation, so to was Arabic.

Fus-ha Arabic's only importance is the medium for revelation, but it found converts outside Hijaz because truth is universal.
 
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Islam is primordial, before humanity existed. It is divine truth, which transcends any language or culture.

Just as Old Hebrew and Aramaic were Allah swt's languages for divine revelation, so to was Arabic.

Fus-ha Arabic's only importance is the medium for revelation, but it found converts outside Hijaz because truth is universal.

For the bolded... No, They are not. Lanugages are just melodies created by air, mouth and throat in order to make the meaning/intention understandable in mind.

Nothing holly in Arabic for the Islam and muslims.
 
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For the bolded... No, They are not. Lanugages are just melodies created by air, mouth and throat in order to make the meaning/intention understandable in mind.

Nothing holly in Arabic for the Islam and muslims.


پارسی گو گرچه تازی خوشتر است — عشق را خود صد زبان دیگر است


Say all in Persian even if Arabic is better — Love will find its way through all languages on its own. - Maualana Rumi
 
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پارسی گو گرچه تازی خوشتر است — عشق را خود صد زبان دیگر است

Say all in Persian even if Arabic is better — Love will find its way through all languages on its own. - Maualana Rumi

Actually that is exactly the Umayyad style Islam that Persians hate.

You should learn Arabic and give up speaking Urdu, after all it is “so much better” and your religion is not universal as you claim. Since the poor Pakistani farmer will not understand nor ever speak the “miracle” language. I find Persian and Spanish to sound beautiful but I don’t claim it is gods gift.

Ask a Christian or Jew they will claim Latin and Hebrew is a miracle language and god will speak to them in this.

Exactly this type of Islam, Arabism that Arabs have managed to sell south Asians it goes even further then this but language is only the surface.
 
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