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what I dont understand , why you defende egypte and humilate algeria ?!!!!!!!
and by the way , what Egypt is doing here ; we are speaking about algeria ?!!!!
and for the last time you don't believe our numbers?!!!!
first you said where are the sources ? I brought you the sources ; you don't believe !!!! when I ask you about your sources , you say Wikipedia .!!!!!!!


I never humiliated Algeria, we are talking about equipment here not about Algeria or Algerian people ! they are my friends !
We are here discussing equipment, just equipment , And Wikipedia is a trusted referable source ! you just write some random numbers and don't provide any trusted source ! looks like i need to teach you how to use Wiki, at the end of the Wikipedia page you will see the sources which the information was taken from !


Oh BTW, about the Indian deal, the Typhoon wasn't chosen just because of it's high price ! so India chose the Rafale because the French offered them a better price !

And, Eurofighter Typhoon is much much more advanced than Su-30 MKA ! in the advanced avionics/electronics, and the modern electronic warfare system, the tech which Russia lags behind western countries by 2 decades!
If the Su-30 MKI/A is better than Typhoon, then why didn't Russia offer it to India instead of the Mig-35 ? Su-30 was out of the deal because it was NO match for any of the other fighter jets !
 
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Yes, I know. As I told you he's one of his kind. I think he over exaggerates stuff because he's a Berber and yet a minority or 2nd class citizens in other words, so this creates a severe inferiority complex that make them over exaggerate things and make stuff up. :crazy:

Here , a 3rd class Berber..giving a world recognition and a home to another 3 rd class citizen
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Here an upper class arab king a mythical descendant of the Prophet (sa3s) claimant, pandering his service to an upper class Israeli...
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And the other pride and joy of the Arabs
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without forgetting his daddy, the starlette of deception
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And don't steal my color again, see, now you forced me to change it !
Just come out the closet...I can't see an Italian be interested in ARABS, ME or AFRICA or in wars.
For the color , red is wrong, purple is ok, I'll suggest pink...it will suit great...then I'll send you Blackeagle as a date, or Elhassani...Either choice, will be great match for you...
 
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I guess you don't know many Italians, do you? it's MY JOB to make researches and studies about everything in the middle east and Africa, especially Arab-Israeli relations development. And why wouldn't i be interested in Arabs? i have Arab friends, and Algerians, there's lot's of Algerians here in Italy more than the hairs of your head.

And lastly, im done with this discussion, i will focus my energy on another topic, i wasted so much here already with a deluded person who believes in super powers.
 
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LOOOOL.

Again, there is NOT one single Russian ally that Algeria has problems with. Your mighty "Arab forces" on the other hand, have problems with Israel. And Israel has problems with them.

As I said, try to challenge Israel, and Israel would mop the floor with all Egyptian, Saudi, Turkish and UAE "air forces" combined.
Israel would mop you up, like a dog. So the only thing these so-called mighty Arab states in GCC + Turkey are good for, is to attack another Arab or Muslim country and kill other muslims. That's the only thing "your air forces" are good for.

To destroy Iraq. To destroy Libya. To wage proxy war against Syria. That's ALL the "mighty" Turkish + GCC are good for.

Try something on Israel and they DIE.

So Algeria does not have any problem what so ever with any Russian ally, thus Russia always delivers. Russia and Algeria have solid relationship, and they've had that since 1950s, when Algeria waged war against French Imperial terror state.

That special relationship has never changed between Russia and Algeria, and Algeria is going to be the only "Muslim" country to receive and operate SAM like S-400, which by the way would eat your Tornados or F-16 for breakfast.

Regarding Syrian and Iranian sales. Iran has never been an ally of Russia. Syria was yes, but after huge pressure from Israel, Russia unfortunately backed down on this issue as Israel threatened to start delivering weapons to Georgia and Azerbaijan in massive amounts as a responce to any Syrian or Iranian sales.

Furthermore, Russia has offered Iran S-300VM, but Iran refused, as Iran wants PMU-version.

Again, Algeria has nothing to do with this, as Algeria does NOT have the "Israel problem", neither does Algerian air space or sea lines "crash" with Israeli interests.

Algeria is preparing to receive S-400 very soon. So there is absolutely no "crash" whatsoever in any way between Algeria and Russia. There is no "Israel problem" to think of, and Algeria is NOT hostile to any other Russian ally in the near area, which is basically NONE, besides Algeria. Algeria is the only Russian ally in the Western Med.

Russia would NEVER stop deliveries if Algeria was in a war with let's say France or Morocco. So Algeria is safe in that area, regarding deliveries.

So it is Egypt and Turkey among others that will soon feel more Israeli "wrath" as Israel starts to expand on sea.

And in the air, you have ZERO chance against Israel.

Don't even let me mention nukes. Israel can wipe you away from the face of the Earth. Only large crater left remaining, if they want too.

A country of 8 million is able to hold off these so-called "mighty" Egypt + Turkey + Jordan and all GCC countries combined.

Country of 8 million, LOL. Ya, keep on talking how "mighty" you are.

Yeah, we have all seen so-called "combat experience" of Syria, Egypt and other states against Israel. So don't make me laugh.

Nope, Egypt doesn't make most of its stuff locally. The reason Sisi turned to Russia and Putin was because the U.S. started to threaten and halted weapons deliveries after the coup last year.

Sisi on the other hand, understands that the moment he gets his hands on Russian jets, are the only jets that Egypt will be able to operate by themselves against any country they wish to.

Iraq recently experienced the same regarding U.S. delivering, where the U.S. is using them to further their own agenda.

And also ask Iran after 1979, and ask Venezuela.

There is a reason people say in all military forums that U.S. weapons deliveries just comes along with "too many strings". That's just a fact.

Having U.S. or other Western weapons, means you are not able to engage in a war of your choosing.

Oh, and finally. Maybe you should ask Pakistan who helped them with the JF-17 fighter. And which country Pakistan wish to buy 6 SSK from. And which country delivered F-22P frigates to Pakistan. Oh, shall I continue ? These are the only weapons Pakistan kan operate freely.

Any so-called "Muslim" country having F-16 or anything similiar such as F-15 or Typhoon, can just forget to use any of those against Israel or the U.S.

In another words, these "shiny" F-16s of Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, and Saudi F-15 are only ment for show, and can never be used against Israel or the U.S.

Again, just ask Iran. The U.S. didn't had anything against Iran using them against Iraq, but the U.S. made sure that logistics and parts of the F-14 was more or less systematically destroyed.

A country that cannot choose freely to which country they can engage with their own weapons, is not free in any way.

So it doesn't matter if Egypt according to you, can produce some F-16 spare parts. When the U.S. or Israel bombs your facilities to ruins, where will you make parts then? LOL.

However if you have Russia making spare parts for you in the case of war, the U.S. or Israel CANNOT bomb Russia or China.

So having supposedly any kind of facility for production of U.S. spare parts, doesn't help much when Tomahawk says hello!
Then the so-called "spare part production" is gonna STOP pretty fast, don't ya think, yaaa ? :)



Yes, exactly. When EAF gets MiG-29 and MiG-35 FROM RUSSIA. That's what I am saying. Sisi knows these are the only fighters EAF can operate freely and choose to use against any country it wishes.

I am happy on Egypt's part for being able to receive these. The only free fighters in the Muslim world being able to operate as they wish are going to be Algerian Flankers, Egyptian MiGs, and Pakistan's JF-17 + Malaysian and Indonesian Flankers. Everything else besides this, such as F-16s are just expencive show offs, and totally USELESS in case of any Israeli or Western aggression.

Look at Pakistan. Nuclear state with upgraded F-16s. And the U.S. keeps hammering Pakistan with drones strikes and killing scores of Pakistani civilians. So counting F-16s is a joke.

Strange hos several of those so-called mighty GCC countries need to have U.S. bases and 250 western aircraft while Algeria with no bases on it's soil and a "small airforce" is able to keep its borders safe withouth any huge problems, despite two wars at it's borders for the past three years.


WTF is your problem with Turkey? Russians almost screwed algerian airforce with second hand migs ahahah. They painted old plane and sent it to algeria. So do you still believe in russians?

If you want to fight you can sent soldiers to iraq and syria. Talking is so cheap....
 
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I never humiliated Algeria, we are talking about equipment here not about Algeria or Algerian people ! they are my friends !

If the Su-30 MKI/A is better than Typhoon, then why didn't Russia offer it to India instead of the Mig-35 ? Su-30 was out of the deal because it was NO match for any of the other fighter jets !

Such a f-ing LIAR! You called people on here SAND NIxxERS , TWICE. F-ing disgusting.

Tell that to some of your so-called "Arab friends"- Tell that to their face. Even better, come to Algeria or Tunisia or Egypt and tell them there those same words.

No, retardo capishe, Su-30MKI/A was not in the question for India because India already has 200 of those birds.

CAPISHE ? 200 Su-30MKI.

You are such a f-ing retardo when saying "Why didn't Russia offer Su-30MKI to India". LOL.

Again, India already has 200 of them ! So what is there to offer, when India already HAS 200 of THEM, and is producing them under the lisence for a total number of 272 ? IDIOT !

Russia has ZERO problems in selling Flankers. These are very sought-after fighters. Su-30 MKK, MKI, MKA and now Su-35.

It is natural for Russia to offer MiG-35 as India already has Su-30MKI and Russia's stealth fighter (PAKFA) is also India's future stealth fighter, as 144 are on order for Indian Air Force.

Learn something, before you start with your retarded, SICILIAN a la Palermo comments.

Do you think that 126 Rafale can beat 144 Russian PAKFA stealth? LMAO.

WTF is your problem with Turkey? Russians almost screwed algerian airforce with second hand migs ahahah. They painted old plane and sent it to algeria. So do you still believe in russians?

If you want to fight you can sent soldiers to iraq and syria. Talking is so cheap....

Listen up Sultan Boiiii, everyone has problem with Turkey.

Israel would woop you big time, I mean really HARD, LOL.

PKK/YPG and Kurds don't like you

Russia don't like you.

Armenia don't like you.

Greece don't like you.

Iraq don't like you.

Iran don't like you.

Syria don't like you.

Half of Cypros don't like you.

Bulgaria don't like you.

Serbia don't like you.

And many more.

But hey, you have your dictator in Baku that likes yaaaaa. :)

So there are A LOT of people having a "WTF problem" with you, Turks.

Second of all, yes, Algeria does trust Russia. Algeria got additional 16 Su-30MKA for those MiGs.

Improved Kilos are working great. T-90 MBT working great. Su-30MKA working great.

Yak-130 trainers working great. Smerch is working great.

S-300PMU2 are working great, and so does Pantsir-S1.

So there are no problems at all. This is all in the Algerian inventory, and S-400 is soon to join that same inventory, another two Kilos, and more fighters with the same capability of Su-35.

Also 42 Mi-28 are on order and deliveries are to start very soon.

If Algeria felt there were any problems, Algeria wouldn't have made another order worth billions.
 
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Such a f-ing LIAR! You called people on here SAND NIxxERS , TWICE. F-ing disgusting.

Tell that to some of your so-called "Arab friends"- Tell that to their face. Even better, come to Algeria or Tunisia or Egypt and tell them there those same words.

No, retardo capishe, Su-30MKI/A was not in the question for India because India already has 200 of those birds.

CAPISHE ? 200 Su-30MKI.

You are such a f-ing retardo when saying "Why didn't Russia offer Su-30MKI to India". LOL.

Again, India already has 200 of them ! So what is there to offer, when India already HAS 200 of THEM, and is producing them under the lisence for a total number of 272 ? IDIOT !

Russia has ZERO problems in selling Flankers. These are very sought-after fighters. Su-30 MKK, MKI, MKA and now Su-35.

It is natural for Russia to offer MiG-35 as India already has Su-30MKI and Russia's stealth fighter (PAKFA) is also India's future stealth fighter, as 144 are on order for Indian Air Force.

Learn something, before you start with your retarded, SICILIAN a la Palermo comments.

Do you think that 126 Rafale can beat 144 Russian PAKFA stealth? LMAO.



Listen up Sultan Boiiii, everyone has problem with Turkey.

Israel would woop you big time, I mean really HARD, LOL.

PKK/YPG and Kurds don't like you

Russia don't like you.

Armenia don't like you.

Greece don't like you.

Iraq don't like you.

Iran don't like you.

Syria don't like you.

Half of Cypros don't like you.

Bulgaria don't like you.

Serbia don't like you.

And many more.

But hey, you have your dictator in Baku that likes yaaaaa. :)

So there are A LOT of people having a "WTF problem" with you, Turks.

Second of all, yes, Algeria does trust Russia. Algeria got additional 16 Su-30MKA for those MiGs.

Improved Kilos are working great. T-90 MBT working great. Su-30MKA working great.

Yak-130 trainers working great. Smerch is working great.

S-300PMU2 are working great, and so does Pantsir-S1.

So there are no problems at all. This is all in the Algerian inventory, and S-400 is soon to join that same inventory, another two Kilos, and more fighters with the same capability of Su-35.

Also 42 Mi-28 are on order and deliveries are to start very soon.

If Algeria felt there were any problems, Algeria wouldn't have made another order worth billions.
What I agree is that Algeria needs to have around 226 Fighter Jets like SU-30 or SU-35 or Rafale and also get 4 AWACS at least for there Air Force. Current number is even less than UAE Man @Ceylal
 
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Such a f-ing LIAR! You called people on here SAND NIxxERS , TWICE. F-ing disgusting.

Tell that to some of your so-called "Arab friends"- Tell that to their face. Even better, come to Algeria or Tunisia or Egypt and tell them there those same words.

No, retardo capishe, Su-30MKI/A was not in the question for India because India already has 200 of those birds.

CAPISHE ? 200 Su-30MKI.

You are such a f-ing retardo when saying "Why didn't Russia offer Su-30MKI to India". LOL.

Again, India already has 200 of them ! So what is there to offer, when India already HAS 200 of THEM, and is producing them under the lisence for a total number of 272 ? IDIOT !

Russia has ZERO problems in selling Flankers. These are very sought-after fighters. Su-30 MKK, MKI, MKA and now Su-35.

It is natural for Russia to offer MiG-35 as India already has Su-30MKI and Russia's stealth fighter (PAKFA) is also India's future stealth fighter, as 144 are on order for Indian Air Force.

Learn something, before you start with your retarded, SICILIAN a la Palermo comments.

Do you think that 126 Rafale can beat 144 Russian PAKFA stealth? LMAO.



Listen up Sultan Boiiii, everyone has problem with Turkey.

Israel would woop you big time, I mean really HARD, LOL.

PKK/YPG and Kurds don't like you

Russia don't like you.

Armenia don't like you.

Greece don't like you.

Iraq don't like you.

Iran don't like you.

Syria don't like you.

Half of Cypros don't like you.

Bulgaria don't like you.

Serbia don't like you.

And many more.

But hey, you have your dictator in Baku that likes yaaaaa. :)

So there are A LOT of people having a "WTF problem" with you, Turks.

Second of all, yes, Algeria does trust Russia. Algeria got additional 16 Su-30MKA for those MiGs.

Improved Kilos are working great. T-90 MBT working great. Su-30MKA working great.

Yak-130 trainers working great. Smerch is working great.

S-300PMU2 are working great, and so does Pantsir-S1.

So there are no problems at all. This is all in the Algerian inventory, and S-400 is soon to join that same inventory, another two Kilos, and more fighters with the same capability of Su-35.

Also 42 Mi-28 are on order and deliveries are to start very soon.

If Algeria felt there were any problems, Algeria wouldn't have made another order worth billions.


go liber your self from franc first and come talk big you piece of shit. they chopped your head and put your dig in your mounth. fuk yuuuu.
 
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I never humiliated Algeria, we are talking about equipment here not about Algeria or Algerian people ! they are my friends !
We are here discussing equipment, just equipment , And Wikipedia is a trusted referable source ! you just write some random numbers and don't provide any trusted source ! looks like i need to teach you how to use Wiki, at the end of the Wikipedia page you will see the sources which the information was taken from !


Oh BTW, about the Indian deal, the Typhoon wasn't chosen just because of it's high price ! so India chose the Rafale because the French offered them a better price !

And, Eurofighter Typhoon is much much more advanced than Su-30 MKA ! in the advanced avionics/electronics, and the modern electronic warfare system, the tech which Russia lags behind western countries by 2 decades!
If the Su-30 MKI/A is better than Typhoon, then why didn't Russia offer it to India instead of the Mig-35 ? Su-30 was out of the deal because it was NO match for any of the other fighter jets !

for Indian air forces they wanted an MRCA (multi role combact aircraft ) like rafale , typhoon , gripen , F16 , F18 , Mig 35
Su 30 is long range air superiority aircraft ( not the same role ).
the avionics/electronics of SU30 MKI(MKA) is western not russian ( israel for MKI and french for MKA )
 
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You forgot that we have already defeated a NATO member with NATO backing with practically bare hands. Vietnam did the same too to two of them.
A different generation of warfare ? France which is little in comparison to the US and the combined NATO states that attack nowadays, a war which was fought with what kind of technology, has nothing to do with today. Btw that was you didn't even win, they simply gave up the colonialism, if you look at it that way Iraq ( or 'we' ) defeated the US along with many other states, in the end they left. But no you didn't defeat shit, therefor we accept it that you'd stand no chance against them so no making fun of Saddam here.

I don't know where you are getting your sources, but the only example similar to what we went thru, is Syria with one caveat. Syria is lucky to have her Russian friend strong and standing up to NATO and all the Arabs of service. We had all the arabs and Iran openly against us. The GCC financed, Iran, Sudan, Libya and Morocco armed, the US, Europe, put us under embargo and closed their Embassies and Arab states introduced visas for Algerian citizens, Saudi Arabia flooded the market, oil was at $10/bbl, Russa was not only weak, but a troubled dislocated country facing the Chenchen pressure cooker.
Despite that and with few country friends ie South Africa , UAE, and Tunisia, we went trough mayhem, beheading and indiscriminate killing, news reporters, journalists, doctors, writers , musicians, professors were the primary targets. They wanted to empty the country of intellectuals, politicians, scientists....
to face terrorism, Algeria was proactive from creating an elite armed force, extremely mobile to hunt the djihadists in urban area, to a similar police force to secure et eliminate terrorists in towns, arming her citizens to protect their villages, to striking training camps in Sudan as well as in Lybia.
All that is nothing if compared to direct war with the far superior west and then receiving a sea of jihadists.
 
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@BLACKEAGLE @al-Hasani stop making fun off berbers @Ceylal is secular kind of guy other wise most berbers are proud Muslims and have history of fighting for Muslims and Islam. Tariq bin Ziad was also a berber so stop making fun ceylal doesn't represent majority.
 
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A different generation of warfare ? France which is little in comparison to the US and the combined NATO states that attack nowadays, a war which was fought with what kind of technology, has nothing to do with today. Btw that was you didn't even win, they simply gave up the colonialism, if you look at it that way Iraq ( or 'we' ) defeated the US along with many other states, in the end they left. But no you didn't defeat shit, therefor we accept it that you'd stand no chance against them so no making fun of Saddam here.
You were ranked the 4th largest army in the world, you had the men, the weaponry to fight, but your generals as we see it today, choose to sell the whole country for a few dollars..So please stop with those crocodile tears, like I wrote before yo should marry more Kurdish women, maybe their genes will give some potency to future generation Iraqis. You didn't occupy Koweit for the reasons you went there in the first place, you went to loot and to rape, just what ISIS is doing to Iraq.
You can accept or not the fact we defeated France with bear hands, facts abound and it won't be difficult to check that out! And we managed to keep our territorial integrity to the last millimiter, while you lost three forth of your country and in a couple months, Iraq will be an ancient forgotten state, like Mesopotamia.


All that is nothing if compared to direct war with the far superior west and then receiving a sea of jihadists.
Please give a freaking brake! We had worse, just what Syria faced in these last three years...The big difference between us and Iraqis...We love our country, and every citizen put his 2 cents to defend it..Something that you have lost amid the euphoria of the Ouma el 3arabia, and the greatness of the Arab culture. Look where that took you? It left you like a crow...Arabs deserted you, like if you had the plague, and your Ouma, you are about to loose 100% of it....It would have been a lot better if you stayed Iraqis, worked in your social fiber to make it stronger...Look a Irak now....a sand dune at the merci of a wind.
 
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You were ranked the 4th largest army in the world, you had the men, the weaponry to fight, but your generals as we see it today, choose to sell the whole country for a few dollars..So please stop with those crocodile tears, like I wrote before yo should marry more Kurdish women, maybe their genes will give some potency to future generation Iraqis. You didn't occupy Koweit for the reasons you went there in the first place, you went to loot and to rape, just what ISIS is doing to Iraq.
You can accept or not the fact we defeated France with bear hands, facts abound and it won't be difficult to check that out! And we managed to keep our territorial integrity to the last millimiter, while you lost three forth of your country and in a couple months, Iraq will be an ancient forgotten state, like Mesopotamia.
4th largest army of which many were untrained conscripts. The trained republican guard and air force put up a fight but it was a losing fight since the US put 60% of it's military in use along with 30 other states. So Algeria would stand ? you'd collapse in a day, the French are nothing in comparison to that.

Besides you already lost the war against France, you went to guerrilla tactics of hit & run which is the phase that comes after loss of conventional large scale warfare.. It happened in Iraq after 2004 and Afghanistan against superior world powers where the invader left being incapable to stop the insurgency as they call it, if you could have won against them you would have in the open, in other battlefields not your cities through hit & run.

Mesopotamia never was a state Mesopotamia is a geographical region, the Greek word for Ard al Rafidain, the land of the 2 rivers.


Please give a freaking brake! We had worse, just what Syria faced in these last three years...The big difference between us and Iraqis...We love our country, and every citizen put his 2 cents to defend it..Something that you have lost amid the euphoria of the Ouma el 3arabia, and the greatness of the Arab culture. Look where that took you? It left you like a crow...Arabs deserted you, like if you had the plague, and your Ouma, you are about to loose 100% of it....It would have been a lot better if you stayed Iraqis, worked in your social fiber to make it stronger...Look a Irak now....a sand dune at a merci of the wind.

Syria has not been attacked by a massive coalition, Algeria has not been attacked by a massive coalition, therefor quit crying.
Save me the Berber superpower talk.
 
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@BLACKEAGLE @al-Hasani stop making fun off berbers @Ceylal is secular kind of guy other wise most berbers are proud Muslims and have history of fighting for Muslims and Islam. Tariq bin Ziad was also a berber so stop making fun ceylal doesn't represent majority.
Thz for your support, but I am anything but a secular.For ElHassani and his Jordanian brother, don't worry about them, ever village has its fool, every medieval court had its jokers....That what these two are for PDF. And they are doing such a great work entertaining , that both were promoted to elite members.
A little precision ,Zarvan, I represent the very big majority , they are silent by courtesy, I am vocal. Especially with the two, due to the hatred they express against non Arabs muslims, since they equate Islam to Arabian race.

What I agree is that Algeria needs to have around 226 Fighter Jets like SU-30 or SU-35 or Rafale and also get 4 AWACS at least for there Air Force. Current number is even less than UAE Man @Ceylal
AWACS maybe a necessity, but their are not detrimental to good and well trained air force, and as I have wrote above we have a remedy. Algeria's Air force craft number is adequate , since technology offsets the lack of numbers.
 
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