The Algerian Armed Forces.

[Ceylal]

You're simply believing your own hype here.

In terms of training hours, you're operating Soviet/Russian aircraft which by their rugged nature have a shorter service life, meaning less time for pilots on the aircraft to extend the period till the aircraft requires an overhaul in Russia. The same goes for the Russian engines.

Wrong my friend..
AAF training hours matches the best what the West does

all our aircraft are overhauled in house , but the MIG25

In terms of technology, the AAF still lacks dedicated AWAC, ELINT, and maritime patrol aircraft. This leaves the AAF at a massive disadvantage in both offensive and defensive action against a well equipped enemy with sophisticated airborne command and control/battle management aircraft (AWAC) which can also carry out reconnaissance and gather intelligence via signals or electronics (ELINT).

I'll share this with you and you make your own conclusion.

In terms of experience, you lag behind the two established air forces in the region (obviously) and you are not as active at home or overseas conducting large scale joint exercises, these are vital part in gaining experience, updating tactics, and increasing interoprability with allies and/or friendly nations.

We may lag in conducting large scale exercice with other countries as Egypt does, that doesn't lessen her potency or combat experience. NATO tested them during the Libyan uprising in real combat conditions, the challenge was so fierce that a SAS lost one Chinook and 32 SAS that were carried, captured.

The AAF does pack a hefty punch and does have the ability to strike at long ranges. However, at long ranges it can not engage an enemy with a sophisticated air defence network or air force, or both. Without AWAC, conducting SEAD missions or taking on opposing fighters with their own EW dedicated aircraft will leave the AAF with a nightmare situation.

Nor does EAF or IDF and space force.

It's incredibly arrogant to state that the AAF has no match in Africa and is comparable to the IDFAF considering the capabilities and prowess of other forces in the region which exceed or far exceed those of the AAF. Air Forces such as the EAF, SAAF, and the UAEAF.

I am not arrogant...It is a fact.
EAF despite the numbers of craft on her possession, her equipment is not the best because of certain limitations due to her proximity to Israel. If the acquisition of the MIGS become a reality and MIG complex will be able to deliver what is promissing Egypt, then we will witness a different EAF, with real capable airplanes that will dwarf the F 16 on her roster..
SAAF, is broke....most of her Air force is grounded.
UAEAF...just a toy store.and for show...

No, an overhaul of an aircraft will not give it another 20 years life, unless you're flying it once a week. The overhaul will at most give you another 5-7 years of extensive service considering IAF MiG-25s which when delivered in 1985 had a 15 year service life and underwent service life extension programs in 1995, 2001, and 2005. They were then retired from service in 2006.

You take India, as your casing point. Algeria is better at maintaining her crafts and the record speaks for itself...Half of her SU30 are grounded due to poor maintenance and poor indian software, none of the 44 in the Algerian Airforce, was or is grounded

You can not compare the service life of a strategic bomber and spy plane to that of a fighter, they are completely different beasts.

What make them different? both are made with the same alloys

This comparison crap ends here. Bloody Johnson swingers.

That what Armstrong's wife told her husband....

 

[Mosamania]

Wrong my friend..
AAF training hours matches the best what the West does

all our aircraft are overhauled in house , but the MIG25



I'll share this with you and you make your own conclusion.

We may lag in conducting large scale exercice with other countries as Egypt does, that doesn't lessen her potency or combat experience. NATO tested them during the Libyan uprising in real combat conditions, the challenge was so fierce that a SAS lost one Chinook and 32 SAS that were carried, captured.



Nor does EAF or IDF and space force.


I am not arrogant...It is a fact.
EAF despite the numbers of craft on her possession, her equipment is not the best because of certain limitations due to her proximity to Israel. If the acquisition of the MIGS become a reality and MIG complex will be able to deliver what is promissing Egypt, then we will witness a different EAF, with real capable airplanes that will dwarf the F 16 on her roster..
SAAF, is broke....most of her Air force is grounded.
UAEAF...just a toy store.and for show...




You take India, as your casing point. Algeria is better at maintaining her crafts and the record speaks for itself...Half of her SU30 are grounded due to poor maintenance and poor indian software, none of the 44 in the Algerian Airforce, was or is grounded



What make them different? both are made with the same alloys


That what Armstrong's wife told her husband....

You did not make a single objective point in this entire post, all you did is chest pump, again, bring real objective comparison between the two, otherwise no one is going to take you seriously, and this is an advice for your entire life,not just on the forum, learn to be a little bit more mature for once.

 

[Ceylal]

My dear friend, leave the sophisticated details of air-fighters or even entire air forces. Getting your brain to try to understand such things make it simply stop working and yet you start saying uncanny stuff such as this post.
For starters, I guess you can try comparison from the foundation level:

Algerian Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Egyptian Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Listen, We know EAF, better than anybody...Clothes don't make the priest. And wiki is not a source.

My advice to you my friend is to stop overloading your head, it already reaches it's limit at work.

For starter you can heed your own advice. This discussion is between two strategic partners that are working together to better north african security.

Can you make a formal comparison between the two with actual aircraft inventory of both nations, all of them? You are making a claim and thus you need to back up your claim to be taken seriously. Present your case and tell us why you believe so.

In numbers Egypt dwarfs us, but we have a qualitative edge, weapon systems, experience, coordination between different arms, they have a lot of catching up...

 

[Frogman]

Wrong my friend..
AAF training hours matches the best what the West does

all our aircraft are overhauled in house , but the MIG25

They simply aren't, otherwise your older Russian/Soviet air craft would have been retired ages ago and your relatively newer ones will not spend 30-40 years in service. The Indians have the same problem with their MKI's they are flying at or above standard Nato hours and their MKI's simply will not last as long as they would if they were operated by the Russians. Algeria only has a relatively small amount of 30s and they can ill afford to abuse those let alone any other fighter in their inventory.

I'll share this with you and you make your own conclusion

EW pods or modifications on fighters do not equal the ability of AWAC or ELINT. A fighter can not detect over 2000 targets at 600Km or beyond nor can they track incoming targets at those distances nor can they identify whether they are friend or foe at that distance. Although they can be detected by enemy radar they are hard to destroy becuase they are moving target unlike ground based radars and command stations. The point remains if your ground controlled radars and stations are taken out, you're left in the same situation the Iraqi Air Force was, and without long range airborne radars you can not strike a nation with a sophisticated Air Force. No matter what pod you put on your aircraft.

We may lag in conducting large scale exercice with other countries as Egypt does, that doesn't lessen her potency or combat experience. NATO tested them during the Libyan uprising in real combat conditions, the challenge was so fierce that a SAS lost one Chinook and 32 SAS that were carried, captured.

Egypt does not lag behind in conducting large scale exercises abroad or at home with other nations. The SAS story is BS and the Libyans got the bells rung out of them.

Nor does EAF or IDF and space force.

The IDF can and so can the EAF, the only problem is they did it to each other rather than anyone else.

SAAF, is broke....most of her Air force is grounded.
UAEAF...just a toy store.and for show...

The RSAAF (The Suadis) and UEAF are two the most potent AFs in the region and world, anyone who sees the lethal machines they operate as toys is simply a fool.

You take India, as your casing point. Algeria is better at maintaining her crafts and the record speaks for itself...Half of her SU30 are grounded due to poor maintenance and poor indian software, none of the 44 in the Algerian Airforce, was or is grounded

The frame of any overhauled Su-24 or MiG-25 will not exceed the service life of the craft upon purchase, if you tottally believe that it will last for 20 years, then you must drop your first claim that the AAF gets in as much or more flying time than anyone training to Nato standards.

 

[Frogman]

In numbers Egypt dwarfs us, but we have a qualitative edge, weapon systems, experience, coordination between different arms, they have a lot of catching up...

Please just stop will you. You're not even close.

"Badr 2014"- Largest Exercise in ME

 

[Mosamania]

Please just stop will you. You're not even close.

"Badr 2014"- Largest Exercise in ME

He has no capacity of backing up his claims, let him wallow in his own Nationalistic fervour, truth can not be covered by a blanket.

 

[Wasteland]

My dear friend, leave the sophisticated details of air-fighters or even entire air forces. Getting your brain to try to understand such things make it simply stop working and yet you start saying uncanny stuff such as this post. My advice to you my friend is to stop overloading your head, it already reaches it's limit at work.

For starters, I guess you can try comparison from the foundation level:

so, this guy is trying to compare Algerian air force to Egyptian airforce lol , Algeria Air Force has 250-300 aircraft, ad Egypt has more than 1,100 aircraft, more than 4x more equipment than the whole Algeria air force and this guy is trying to compare ! lol not mention the Egyptian advanced Hawkeyes AWACS / dedicated warfare planes, they also have a C-130 Hercules version dedicated for Electronic warfare and SEAD operations / no one else have it except USA and Egypt... then someone says the country with the 70 fighter jets is stronger than EAF lol

 

[ss22]

hi I am back..................

so ; where we where guyes ????

 

[ss22]

Algeria Air Force has 250-300 aircraft ????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

44 SU30 MKA MKR
36 Su24
52 Mig 29 SMT
20 Mig25

36 Yak 130
57 L39

110 Mi8/17/171
70 Mi24
42 Mi28
110 AW (101-109-139-300)

just this , so from where you got 250-300 air craft ?!!!!

since 1999 up to day
Operational: no data, up to 56

• 1999: 19 x MiG-29 (Belarus), quantity: 19
• 1999: 7 x MiG-29 (Russia), quantity: 19+7=26
• 2000: 5 x MiG-29 (Belarus), quantity: 26+5=31
• 2000: 5 x MiG-29 (Ukraine), quantity: 31+5=36
• 2000: 6 x Mig-29UB (Russia via Belarus), quantity: 36+6+42
• 2001: 4 x MiG-29 (Belarus), quantity: 42+4=46
• 2002: 2 x MiG-29 (Belarus), quantity: 46+2=48
• 2002: 2 x MiG-29 (Russia), quantity: 48+2=50
• 2003: 1 x MiG-29 (Russia), quantity: 50+1=51
• 2004: 1 x MiG-29 (Russia), quantity: 51+1=52
• 2005: 4 x MiG-29 (Russia), quantity: 52+4=56

MiG-29: FC-45 FC-61 FC-64 FC-71

MiG-29UB: FB-80

upgraded MiG-29UB*: FB-05
MiG-=29SMT*: FC-57 FC-14 (3017 on fin) FC-12 (3029 on fin)
* not in service, returned to Russia

Between 1999 and 2004 basic version was MiG-29 (9-13), since December 2006 MiG-29SMT (version 9-19), soon returned to Russia.


MiG-29, 2007. Overall gray camouflage.
Drawing accuracy: 100%.

In 2003-2004 tests of four MiG-29 are performed in Algeria: MiG-29K, MiG-29SMT with dorsal fuel tank, MiG-29SMT without it and MiG-29M2. Tests were conducted at Mecheria, Bousfer and Laghouat air bases.

Contract for delivery of 40 x Mig 29 SMT (with option for next 30) was signed 03.2006. After delivery of first aircraft in 12.2006, AAF discover that MiG not meet contract conditions - airframe is not new (althrough aircraft was new, airframe was old, from russian manufacturer store). Deliveries was stoped, and when in 05.2007 next two delivered MiGs were in the same state, Algeria refused to pay for MiGs. So Russia not started deliveries of Sukhoi Su-30MKA. Algeria canceled contract for MiG-29 (05.2007), wants to exchange it for Sukhois or MiG-29 with new airframes. 15 delivered MiG-29 (12.2006 - 05.2007) were returned to Russia, where will be inspected for possibly service in the Russian Air Force.

MiG-29SMT, 2007, Algeria. Upgraded MiGs-UB and SMT were in two-tone camouflage (grey and blue), similar to Algerian Su-30MKA.
All MiGs later are returned to Russia.
Drawing accuracy: 100%.
Since December 2007 Algeria have Su-30MKA (contract for 28 x Su-30MKA, 34 x MiG-29SMT/UB modernized and 16 x Yak-130). Sukhois are delivered since December 2007.

In 06.2008 Russia offer MiG-35 to Algeria, instead MiG-29SMT.

November 2008: Russian Ministry of Finance decided to pay for ex-algerian MiGs-29SMT/UB modernized - 15 for sure (up to all 34 MiGs). Aircrafts are in Russian Air Force since 2009-2010. Since February 2009 former Algerian MiGs are deployed to

in Khalino (Kursk), refurbished, repainted and renumbered.

so Why I insiste on Mig29 SMT and not S;
by SMT I dont meen the batch of 36 Mig29 SMT ordred from russia in the contract of 2006, but I mean in this contract there was a close wich say tha all the fleet of actual Mig29 S we have will be apgraded to SMT standard.

 

[Wasteland]

Algeria Air Force has 250-300 aircraft ????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

44 SU30 MKA MKR
36 Su24
52 Mig 29 SMT
20 Mig25

36 Yak 130
57 L39

110 Mi8/17/171
70 Mi24
42 Mi28
110 AW (101-109-139-300)

just this , so from where you got 250-300 air craft ?!!!!

Algeria have only 32 working Mig-29 ! and they are all old, they don't have SMT ! the contract was cancelled because the Russians fooled the Algerians and gave them old airframes ! so they ordered 16 more Su-30 instead, to reach a total number of 44 Su-30 !

second, Algeria doesn't have any Mi-28 ! not even one ! and you say 42 ?! lol
And they only have 36 Mi-24 not 70 !

And only 16 Mig-25 are in service, not 20.

 

[Ceylal]

Please just stop will you. You're not even close.

"Badr 2014"- Largest Exercise in ME

Throwing some dust in the desert is not a proof of a capability. Kaddaffy and Saddam used to throw similar parties. Neither one of them lasted to dinner time at the barbecue fair.
Quantity may impress people in parades day, it does a little to a foe that master his capacities.
You mentioned the UAE and SAAF, they have better equipment than air forces where there goods came from, are they better than the US air force, the French's or the Brits? If they are a potent force as you said, why ISIS is still thumbing their noses after more than a month of bombardments.

Algeria have only 32 working Mig-29 ! and they are all old, they don't have SMT ! the contract was cancelled because the Russians fooled the Algerians and gave them old airframes ! so they ordered 16 more Su-30 instead, to reach a total number of 44 Su-30 !

second, Algeria doesn't have any Mi-28 ! not even one ! and you say 42 ?! lol
And they only have 36 Mi-24 not 70 !

And only 16 Mig-25 are in service, not 20.

You forgot to tell us that Algeria is scared of your f16 , your F5,and mirage F1 that she kept only two L59 to protect Tindouf and her westen border and buried all her aircrafts , like Saddam did..

 

[1000]

Throwing some dust in the desert is not a proof of a capability. Kaddaffy and Saddam used to throw similar parties. Neither one of them lasted to dinner time at the barbecue fair.

So Algeria's air force/military could stand against NATO, US airpower as used in the 1st Gulf war ?

 

[Wasteland]

Throwing some dust in the desert is not a proof of a capability. Kaddaffy and Saddam used to throw similar parties. Neither one of them lasted to dinner time at the barbecue fair.
Quantity may impress people in parades day, it does a little to a foe that master his capacities.
You mentioned the UAE and SAAF, they have better equipment than air forces where there goods came from, are they better than the US air force, the French's or the Brits? If they are a potent force as you said, why ISIS is still thumbing their noses after more than a month of bombardments.


You forgot to tell us that Algeria is scared of your f16 , your F5,and mirage F1 that she kept only two L59 to protect Tindouf and her westen border and buried all her aircrafts , like Saddam did..

What F-16? what F-5? what F-1 ? we don't have any of these. if you want to compare i'm sure our 96 typhoon can take down the whole Algerian air force in 30 minutes lol, not to mention there's 90 F-35 Lightning II coming soon !

Your air force never participated in a real war ! unlike Italian, Pakistani and Egyptian air forces. Pakistani and Egyptian pilots fought against one of the most advanced air forces ever (Israel) , Pakistani and Egyptians pilots reigned supreme with old Migs Against advanced F-4's of Israeli army. And you want to compare Algeria that never fought a real war with combat experienced air forces like American,Italian, Pakistani or Egyptians ? lol

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Some ppl are too much into jingoism...Without AWACS n ELINT aircrafts n modern long ranged BVR missiles... you are a duck... Ready to be shot down...

 

[Ceylal]

He has no capacity of backing up his claims, let him wallow in his own Nationalistic fervour, truth can not be covered by a blanket.

You are all diluted by the strength of the Arab air forces. showing a video of dust ,smoke of burning barrels remotely detonated jet fighter streaking the skies is not a show a force, or an acquired capability. The only thing it shows that you can drive a tank and capable to take off with an airplane, no more no less. It is a movie, destined for internal consumption. How does that force reacts if in front of her was , let say Israel? Hizbollah? Hamas or ISIS? Can she be that effective? can she keep her cohesion? can she mount a counterattack? Iraqi Army has the same pretty ware, humvees,Abrams M1A1, collapsed at the first ISIS shot , armed with AKs and 14 mm guns..
We have seen and read the difficulties of the Saudis armed forces with their F15 and mercenary forces from Morocco, Jordan and Pakistan got their noses bloodied by the Houthis armed with AK 47, an RPG and a 12.7 machine gun.
We saw, that it took Egypt, tanks, mechanized infantry and everything they had to crush a mob of unarmed MB's
And we are witnessing the coalition made up by Arab air forces that is effectual as tits in wild boar.
These are today's facts as reported by numerous world news media, sorry if WIKI is not the source.