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Yeah but PakistanNationalist is right...we've got much better equipment despite having the same budget and yet a much bigger army ! 127,000 vs 650,000 (throw in the Paramilitary Forces and that figure is well over a million active troops) ! I would have expected Algeria to have some better goodies with a budget of that size !
I think(in my opinion) Algeria has a better air-force, land-force and air-defence than Pak, nevertheless, Pak has better navy and missile power.
All Algerian equipment have went through an extensive upgrade, you can notice that in the pics. I don't think you guys would say F-16 block 52 or JF-17 or Mirage 3 are better than SU-30, Su-24 mk2 and Mig-29.
Saying that on a Pakistan Defence Forum : Blasphemy !
On the Airforce : Pakistan wins by sheer numbers, the AWACs, the missiles we carry, the Ground Radar cover that Pakistan employs and our missile defences ! What can a few dozen SUs do against more than 300 BVR capable air craft who are linked to 6 (?) AWACs all the time and about 1-150 more Non-BVR equipped jets who can provide air-support. Add to that the Ra'ad with its 350 km + range and numerous Chinese, American and Brazilian origin BVRs we could probably take those SUs out from a long, long way off ! Throw in the soon to be acquired J-10s, JF-17s and a long range SAM system and that gulf would probably be widened manifold.
Pakistan Army : With a standing Army of about 650,000 and a Paramilitary Force of about 430,000 (some of whom are actually battle hardened and others are fighting in the Tribal Areas right now) and a reserve of about 500,000, Pakistan Army which is trained to fight an opponent 3 times our size would probably fair considerably better against 127,000 men ! Additionally our Al-Khalid Tanks and our T-80 UDs are designed to fight against India's T-90s whereas our upgraded Al-Zarrar and the Type 85s are for India's vastly upgraded T-72s...the sheer number of our tanks outnumber Algerian Tanks by a ratio of 4:1 and the rest of our T-55s and T-62s are being upgraded to the Al-Zarrar standard and more and improved Al-Khalids are being built as we speak...so this will increase the qualitative difference even more. Add to that our APCs, our self-propelled, towed and rocket artillery, all of which ,combined, number well over 10,000 units and our qualitatively pretty good because we have to keep parity with India, I dunno how the Algerian Armed Forces could be actually better than ours. In fact, if you were to add the battle-field missiles we have, the logistics we've built up, the air-defence systems we have (MANPADs, SPADA, HQ-9s etc) and the ground support the PAF can provide...we'd probably compare very favourably with any army in the Muslim World...in fact if you throw in the Al-Nasr tactical ballistic missile thats, probably, going to become the corner-stone of our offensive formations, we'd probably the best army in the Muslim World !
You shouldn't underestimate Algerian power, all military branches complement each other. The most I admire about Alg army is their air-defense. It seems that I was mistaken about the ground force part but I insist that Algerian air-force is very close in strenge to PAF.
Your insistence is duly noted; however I do disagree with your assessment ! But the point wasn't that they are comparable or not...the point was that with a defence budget of $ 6 billion and the relatively small numbers they have, they haven't done justice to their Armed Forces, by procuring the things they have. Sure the T-90s, the S-300s and the SUs are fine, fine additions but I was expecting much more. Look at Singapore for example they've used different technological force multipliers to make their small Armed Forces pretty bad arse !
Algerian military budget has only got raised considerably in the recent few years. It was about $ 2 bn before four years as I remember. So, this high budget wasn't like this for a fair long time like Pak. They have done a great job so far and they are going to acquire even more equip with high specs. Therefore, it's so early to judge them now.
Saying that on a Pakistan Defence Forum : Blasphemy !
On the Airforce : Pakistan wins by sheer numbers, the AWACs, the missiles we carry, the Ground Radar cover that Pakistan employs and our missile defences ! What can a few dozen SUs do against more than 300 BVR capable air craft who are linked to 6 (?) AWACs all the time and about 1-150 more Non-BVR equipped jets who can provide air-support. Add to that the Ra'ad with its 350 km + range and numerous Chinese, American and Brazilian origin BVRs we could probably take those SUs out from a long, long way off ! Throw in the soon to be acquired J-10s, JF-17s and a long range SAM system and that gulf would probably be widened manifold.
Pakistan Army : With a standing Army of about 650,000 and a Paramilitary Force of about 430,000 (some of whom are actually battle hardened and others are fighting in the Tribal Areas right now) and a reserve of about 500,000, Pakistan Army which is trained to fight an opponent 3 times our size would probably fair considerably better against 127,000 men ! Additionally our Al-Khalid Tanks and our T-80 UDs are designed to fight against India's T-90s whereas our upgraded Al-Zarrar and the Type 85s are for India's vastly upgraded T-72s...the sheer number of our tanks outnumber Algerian Tanks by a ratio of 4:1 and the rest of our T-55s and T-62s are being upgraded to the Al-Zarrar standard and more and improved Al-Khalids are being built as we speak...so this will increase the qualitative difference even more. Add to that our APCs, our self-propelled, towed and rocket artillery, all of which ,combined, number well over 10,000 units and our qualitatively pretty good because we have to keep parity with India, I dunno how the Algerian Armed Forces could be actually better than ours. In fact, if you were to add the battle-field missiles we have, the logistics we've built up, the air-defence systems we have (MANPADs, SPADA, HQ-9s etc) and the ground support the PAF can provide...we'd probably compare very favourably with any army in the Muslim World...in fact if you throw in the Al-Nasr tactical ballistic missile thats, probably, going to become the corner-stone of our offensive formations, we'd probably the best army in the Muslim World !
8 4 saabs,4 ZDK AWACS,AK-IIs,More MRAPs,tot of panter,A-100 and indigenous arty programe,a new long range SAM under development,an ICMB,MIRV,SLV programe and a new RSS satellite for the military...12 conventional subs and 1 nuke sub under development,UCAVs... i think we are numerically n tech wise superior than any muslim country...
Perhaps but then again there is Turkey ! They're ahead of us in some things and the Saudi AirForce with their F-15s isn't a pushover either !