The 50 Most Brilliant Atheists of All Time

[JustForFun]

Brilliant and Atheist, two words that can't mix.

To each his own believes. No need to make these statements.

 

[Developereo]

science also abhores scepticism about the basic rules...

It's not science, but scientists, who quash skepticism. Scientists can be just as dogmatic and emotional as any clergy.

for example you cant be sceptic about 1+1=2

"1+1 = 2" wasn't proved until the 20th century. By Bertrand Russell and someone else.

 

[JustForFun]

science also abhores scepticism about the basic rules...
for example you cant be sceptic about 1+1=2
or you cant be skeptic about the agreed fact that atoms and molecules make everything..
upon these assumptions (beleifs) the whole structure of science us built and makes sense.
likewise in religion there are certain basic beleifs on which any religion depends..and thecwhole fabric of religion is built on these beleifs abd makes sense on the basis of these beleifs..
if somebody iscskeptic about Allah.Prophet Muhammad.Quran.Heaven and hell...then to him nothing in islam will make sense..
but we can investigate whats written inQuran...
for example nowhere in geology and plate techtonics is written the usefulness of mountains..
but its written in quran.....

Actually you can be sceptic about 1+1=2. It derives directly to one of the axioms of mathematics. It's just that those axioms are set up in a way that any one of them can be proven by the remaining ones. If you can prove any of them wrong, than scientific reaction will not be by banning you, but to reject that you have proven wrong.
And because of people who where sceptic it was discoverd that atoms are NOT the stuff that make everything.
Religion just has that many more assumptions which are much harder to prove by themselfs.
Your example of usefulness of mountains holds no water, because USEFULNESS of anything implies higher powers which has no value in science.

 

[Safriz]

^^according to your logic 90% of science is useless junk.
why should i care if black holes eat light?

and we just shouldnt be knowing for what purpose mountains are there?

 

[Safriz]

It's not science, but scientists, who quash skepticism. Scientists can be just as dogmatic and emotional as any clergy.



"1+1 = 2" wasn't proved until the 20th century. By Bertrand Russell and someone else.

so as a mathematecian.....is it better to do your own resesrch on 1+1=2 or "beleive" in what Russel said and move on to something else?
likewise in religion it is better to beleive in already established basis of that religion and implement them in ones life.
for research and skepticism islam gives many subjects.....

 

[JustForFun]

^^according to your logic 90% of science is useless junk.
why should i care if black holes eat light?

and we just shouldnt be knowing for what purpose mountains are there?

Why would 90% be useless junk. Science DOES NOT put a value on anything, it just tries to understand that what is.
Black holes "eating" light does not make black holes evil or good or usefull. They propably just are there and science tries to understand how they come to be, NOT what purpose there is in their existence.
The purpose of black holes is something for religion to come up with. If it is not already in your holy book, maybe in the next print.

 

[JustForFun]

so as a mathematecian.....is it better to do your own resesrch on 1+1=2 or "beleive" in what Russel said and move on to something else?
likewise in religion it is better to beleive in already established basis of that religion and implement them in ones life.
for research and skepticism islam gives many subjects.....

That exercise has been done by many many first year mathematics or physics student all over the world every year.
Science is just like open source software. Not everybody has to read every line of code everytime. But you are free to do it if you want to. And if there is an error in it you are free to correct it or in case you are not capable/willing enough to report it to the programmer.

 

[Developereo]

so as a mathematecian.....is it better to do your own resesrch on 1+1=2 or "beleive" in what Russel said and move on to something else?
likewise in religion it is better to beleive in already established basis of that religion and implement them in ones life.
for research and skepticism islam gives many subjects.....

No, my point was that, in science, anyone is free to question and try to prove/disprove any aspect of it. If someone has the money and resources, they can devote their life to proving that "1 + 1 = 11".

However, I agree with you that science itself also rests on unprovable axioms. These fundamental axioms can never be proven and must be taken on faith. Godel proved as much. In effect, science itself proved that it can never be fully proved.

 

[Safriz]

Why would 90% be useless junk. Science DOES NOT put a value on anything, it just tries to understand that what is.
Black holes "eating" light does not make black holes evil or good or usefull. They propably just are there and science tries to understand how they come to be, NOT what purpose there is in their existence.
The purpose of black holes is something for religion to come up with. If it is not already in your holy book, maybe in the next print.

at least in religion things are prioritised which makes lots of sense...
in science there is no priority....looking into blackholes is as important or unimportant as finding cure for cancer....
FYI... something similar to black hole is mentioned in islam under deginition.of hell.
"a fire which was burnt red..then white then black...a black fire whose one drop is enougb to annihilate earth" ... may well be black holes.

back to your logic...i rather go with a system that guides me into prioritising somethings above others...rather than a religion (science is a religion for many..soevially atheists) which has no priorities.

 

[Safriz]

No, my point was that, in science, anyone is free to question and try to prove/disprove any aspect of it. If someone has the money and resources, they can devote their life to proving that "1 + 1 = 11".

However, I agree with you that science itself also rests on unprovable axioms. These fundamental axioms can never be proven and must be taken on faith. Godel proved as much. In effect, science itself proved that it can never be fully proved.

exactly....
there will always be unproved things in any proven theory of science.
for that reason religion limits the quest for proof .(limits..not forbids) as everything can never be prooved.

for example evolution.... its proved thatvevolution did happen....living things evolved into another libing thing....but why this happened? why apes evolved into men..not into winged fairies like creature?
so it can be assumed that evolution was not a runaway train.it was carefully guided by some unprovable...invisible force...

 

[JustForFun]

at least in religion things are prioritised which makes lots of sense...
in science there is no priority....looking into blackholes is as important or unimportant as finding cure for cancer....
FYI... something similar to black hole is mentioned in islam under deginition.of hell.
"a fire which was burnt red..then white then black...a black fire whose one drop is enougb to annihilate earth" ... may well be black holes.

back to your logic...i rather go with a system that guides me into prioritising somethings above others...rather than a religion (science is a religion for many..soevially atheists) which has no priorities.

You are talking about philosophy and ethics.
This like unimportant, usefull, good etc are not part of science.
You can be religious and scientific, a lot of people are.
And your religion has found a purpose for a black hole, no need for a reprint.

 

[jdme]

exactly....
there will always be unproved things in any proven theory of science.
for that reason religion limits the quest for proof .(limits..not forbids) as everything can never be prooved.

So just because I don't know the answer, I should stop looking? Now I understand how a society falls back in time.

for example evolution.... its proved thatvevolution did happen....living things evolved into another libing thing....but why this happened? why apes evolved into men..not into winged fairies like creature?
so it can be assumed that evolution was not a runaway train.it was carefully guided by some unprovable...invisible force...

Let me guess, you don't have an iota of understanding of evolutionary process or even human biology. It's remarkable that least informed people make the most noise.

 

[jdme]

at least in religion things are prioritised which makes lots of sense..
in science there is no priority....looking into blackholes is as important or unimportant as finding cure for cancer....

I am speechless now. Never even thought of these "concepts". Whew...

FYI... something similar to black hole is mentioned in islam under deginition.of hell.
"a fire which was burnt red..then white then black...a black fire whose one drop is enougb to annihilate earth" ... may well be black holes.

Convenient , not that I can fathom how that lines even remotely discuss black holes, a controversial topic. If tomorrow it is proven that black hole don't exist, it won't take a day for believers to come with new "explanation" for this.

 

[Qasibr]

Science definitely has it's usefulness. The problem arrises when people take science to be infallible, ridiculing everything else that doesn't exactly concur.

For nearly two millenniums the scientific view that all these so-called enlightened democratic gay greeks and everyone used to believe, was that the Earth was the centre of the universe, everything moving around it. Later on, it was believed that the Sun was the centre. Because Islam didn't concur with either of these views, it got alot of flak for centuries and centuries, until it was discovered that it was right afterall.

That is not right in my opinion. Scientists and proponents of science can be downright dogmatic - their word is sacred, questioning them will be ridiculed, despite their track record of being wrong many many times.

 

[jdme]

Science definitely has it's usefulness. The problem arrises when people take science to be infallible, ridiculing everything else that doesn't exactly concur.

For nearly two millenniums the scientific view that all these so-called enlightened democratic gay greeks and everyone used to believe, was that the Earth was the centre of the universe, everything moving around it. Later on, it was believed that the Sun was the centre. Because Islam didn't concur with either of these views, it got alot of flak for centuries and centuries, until it was discovered that it was right afterall.

That is not right in my opinion. Scientists and proponents of science can be downright dogmatic - their word is sacred, questioning them will be ridiculed, despite their track record of being wrong many many times.

Let me guess, you are not a scientist and you never will be. Fascinating opinion though. Science is a quest. It is human thirst to understand how things work. To study, to understand and to explore. Fascinating how you are mocking "science" and yet constantly telling everyone how "scientific" Koran is.