The 50 Most Brilliant Atheists of All Time

[kavish]

Religiously speaking big bang was the moment when Allah said "happen" (kunn) and it all happened....
thats why no amount of scientific research could find what was there at the exact moment of big bang and before that..because there was nothing.

scientifically.....black holes seem to be the generators of gravitons....
sat at the center of every galaxy they generate gravity.

how languages evolved???
Origin of language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

d word "God" itself evolved when???

then talk about god "Allah" said this n that!!!!!

p.s: God does not exist!!!!

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Of course there is a middle way, the agnostic way. It doesn't say God exists or does not exist because neither can be proven.
This is probably the most scientific way to look at God. And the wisest way is to not try to prove either.

Dude atheists will disagree with you as they think their beliefs is more logical, rational. Atheism is often considered to be hostile toward religion. Agnosticism is often thought of as a middle ground between theism and atheism.The stance of Agnosticism on the issue of God is to doubt his existence until there is evidence to either prove or disprove God but such evidence is unattainable due to the supposed divine and unphysical nature/attributes of God. We can never observe something that is not physical so the evidence for or against God cannot be obtained. I think neither atheist nor agnostic can be one hundred percent sure one way or the other about the existence of God, so the only thing that differentiates them is the conviction to which they hold their beliefs

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Do not try to prove whatever is written in whatever holy book. If you do it by modern scientific standards you will only ridicule yourself. Just take it as faith and leave it in the realm of religion.
Every example you have given so far is more like a horoscope: "something good will happen to you today".
You can interpret it any way you want to and is it suites you then good for you. Just don't use your interpretation to prove something to others.

I also agree with this . I am firm believer but i don't like when peoples interpret the verses of scriptures and try to convince others that theory of evolution or big bang or other scientific theories are present in their holy books . If these theories were present in their scriputes then why it was discovered by those who never read this holy scriptures? Why those who read and recite holybook daily never seen these theory of big bang in their holybook?

Such believers don't realize that theories of science can be modify and can change as they are not fact. Quran is a book of signs and its not a pure scientific book although it slightly touch different aspects of life and address nature of different things to make you think about purpose of your life. I never find any contradiction between Islam and science but they are two different mode of thinking and they are not against each others as they boht provide answer of different questions and satisfy your curiosity.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

PS : I am no athiest but logic and reason can never be used as a yardstick for comparing Science and Religion.

Logic , Rationalism are scientific attributes. For religion we look to the emotional , mental and spiritual states of an individual. Trying to use logic to justify religion is as good as trying to use the unit Henry( for Inductance) as a yardstick to measure Temperature..

Dude you are right but you also need logic and reasoning to differentiate and choose right religion or set of beliefs for yourself. You know concept of God is different in different religions. If you are a blind believers then you should follow all religions equally and it dont matter for you to either follow Hinduism or Christianity or Islam but peoples choose one religion over others after doing some reasoning and research. I cannot follow something which my heart, mind or logic is not accepting

 

[Safriz]

how languages evolved???
Origin of language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

d word "God" itself evolved when???

then talk about god "Allah" said this n that!!!!!

p.s: God does not exist!!!!

God means good in scandinevian languages....he divine goodness....God.
While Allah has no dictionery meanings..not even in arabic.
Its the name selected by our divine being for Itself.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

and how did Muhammad pbuh know about the seven layers of earth?
1) The Solid Inner Core of Earth
2) The Liquid Outer core
3) The “D” Layer (Although it is often identified as part of the lower mantle, seismic discontinuities suggest the “D” layer might differ chemically from the lower mantle lying above it.)
4) Lower Mantle
5) Middle Mantle
6) Upper Mantle
7) Lithosphere

and watch:

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

and how did Muhammad pbuh know about the seven layers of earth?
1) The Solid Inner Core of Earth
2) The Liquid Outer core
3) The “D” Layer (Although it is often identified as part of the lower mantle, seismic discontinuities suggest the “D” layer might differ chemically from the lower mantle lying above it.)
4) Lower Mantle
5) Middle Mantle
6) Upper Mantle
7) Lithosphere

I am confuse. Did you get this information from Hadiths or Quran?

I just want to know the source of this information. Did this information was available before it was discover that earth has different layers? Who discovered this information about earth?

 

[Safriz]

7 earths and seven skies are mentioned in islam ... but interpretations may differ...one plausible interpretation is what the above comment says.

 

[JustForFun]

Again you aren't making a scientific argument here. Overly va Be specific. I have not talked about horoscopes, which of the examples I gave were like a horoscope in any way at all? The Quran says the universe is expanding. And it is discovered that it is, after thousands of years. It says the Earth was spread apart, and it was. I am not talking about horoscopes or anything of the sort at all.

Neither of these examples are ambiguous or vague in the least bit, even though dogmatic atheists who believe themselves to be superior to other religion would wish to think so. That is their dogmatic view, and scientific facts do not support their dogmatic crusade against religions. They are welcome to their facts, most religions accept atheism and secularism, just like religions teach tolerance towards people of other religions. It's these secularists and atheists that don't accept religion, and ridicule anyone who has the audacity to question their views - despite their "scientific" views being proven wrong many times in the course of history.

Not a quote by you but someone as firm a believer as you are:

"a fire which was burnt red..then white then black...a black fire whose one drop is enougb to annihilate earth" ... may well be black holes.

This at least is vague and subject to interpretation differences.
I have not read the Quran, so I am not qualified to make any comments on it. So I googled some things you said:

Your quote: "We(Allah) have constructed the universe with might, and verily it is we who are steadily expanding it"
Translations found with google:
"With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof."
The Noble Quran : Surat 51
"And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander."
Surat Adh-Dhariyat [51:47] - The Holy Qur'an - ?????? ??????
"And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. "
Miracles of the Qur'an - Harun Yahya
"With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace."
Arabic Quran Surah 51. The Winnowing Winds
"And We have built the heaven with hands (the Divine Power), and it is We Who give the expanse."
QUR'AN CHAPTER 51: ADH-DHARIYAT (THE WINNOWING WINDS)

The first thing which strikes me is, you are the only one using the word universe. Almost everybody else is using the word heaven. Maybe the translation could be the same for heaven and universe (I am also not an arabist), but at the least it is somewhat ambiguise.

But like I said earlier, scientists should not try to prove or disprove holy books nor should believers.

B.t.w. I am not making a scientific argument, this is a discussion forum not college.

 

[Safriz]

^^^thats some googling....

yes i agree....this is just a discussion...not a college lesson.people can agree or disagree what they want.
in ours we are asked to loom for "clues" of Gods power and working..
but the thing is that those "clues" point in two directions....They strongly point towards God and at the same no God.

thats where choice comes into play.we choose the interoretation of the "clues" which point to God..
so there you go its a matter of choice

 

[Qasibr]

Not a quote by you but someone as firm a believer as you are:



This at least is vague and subject to interpretation differences.
I have not read the Quran, so I am not qualified to make any comments on it. So I googled some things you said:

Your quote: "We(Allah) have constructed the universe with might, and verily it is we who are steadily expanding it"
Translations found with google:
"With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof."
The Noble Quran : Surat 51
"And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander."
Surat Adh-Dhariyat [51:47] - The Holy Qur'an - ?????? ??????
"And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. "
Miracles of the Qur'an - Harun Yahya
"With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace."
Arabic Quran Surah 51. The Winnowing Winds
"And We have built the heaven with hands (the Divine Power), and it is We Who give the expanse."
QUR'AN CHAPTER 51: ADH-DHARIYAT (THE WINNOWING WINDS)

The first thing which strikes me is, you are the only one using the word universe. Almost everybody else is using the word heaven. Maybe the translation could be the same for heaven and universe (I am also not an arabist), but at the least it is somewhat ambiguise.

But like I said earlier, scientists should not try to prove or disprove holy books nor should believers.

B.t.w. I am not making a scientific argument, this is a discussion forum not college.

Btw - In Arabic, the "heavens" means the vastness above. Just like in English, a famous Russian rocket scientist said(I think it was Korolev) something to the effect that the way to the heavens is opened, after launching the first man into space. The Quran is not talking about *heaven* where dead people go, which is Jannat, but here the "heavens" are the "Qiyenaat", hence, universe.

And I was making a point that either the God who made religion, really did make the universe like he claims to have, or he is not really God. This means the word of God should be looked at logically and scientifically, and if he really is God, his word should stand in the face of real evidence. So atleast in Islam, religion does not need to be protected from scientific investigation. Allah, in Islam, actually invites people to learn and investigate the Quran's claims. He repeatedly says in the Quran that people who think, eventually reach the truth.

This is a forum and not a college, this fellow was on my case for not being "scientific", while bringing nothing logical or scientific to the discussion.

Let me guess, you are not a scientist and you never will be. Fascinating opinion though. Science is a quest. It is human thirst to understand how things work. To study, to understand and to explore.

And you posted some very facinating links, the "Miracles of the Quran" one has a pretty thorough scientific investigation of many of Quran's claims and assertions. The question scientists are afraid of answering is, logically, how could this Quran point to so many scientific truths about the universe, millenniums before humans discovered these facts scientifically? What does that say about the author of the book, who must he have been to know all these things about the universe at a time when mankind lived in huts and rode horses. The western media only uses science to belittle religion and promote their personal atheistic worldview, and that is dishonest.

 

[Developereo]

Lack of belief is also a belief ..no difference..saying God exist is as valid belief as saying he dont exist.

Now believers should come up with their top 100 lists lol

Oh, I was just having a bit of fun with the words 'atheist' v/s 'nontheist' considering that, etymologically, they mean exactly the same thing.

These supposedly brilliant people are using words that flatly contradict their beliefs. Believe it or not, pantheism is considered a form of atheism, and sometimes nontheism.

 

[LaBong]

Atheism is as much a belief as not collecting stamps a hobby.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

I am confuse. Did you get this information from Hadiths or Quran?

I just want to know the source of this information. Did this information was available before it was discover that earth has different layers? Who discovered this information about earth?

its from hadith
It was narrated on the authority of Abu Salamah that a dispute arose between him and some other people (about a piece of land). When he told Aisha (the Prophet’s wife) about it, she said, ‘O Abu Salamah! Avoid taking the land unjustly, for the Prophet said:

“Whoever usurps even one span of land of somebody, its depth through the seven earths will be collared to his neck.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, ‘Book of Oppression.’ )

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

its from hadith
It was narrated on the authority of Abu Salamah that a dispute arose between him and some other people (about a piece of land). When he told Aisha (the Prophet’s wife) about it, she said, ‘O Abu Salamah! Avoid taking the land unjustly, for the Prophet said:

“Whoever usurps even one span of land of somebody, its depth through the seven earths will be collared to his neck.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, ‘Book of Oppression.’ )

Thanks for sharing hadith dude. I was actually talking about the names of the layers which you mentioned in previous post.

1) The Solid Inner Core of Earth
2) The Liquid Outer core
3) The “D” Layer (Although it is often identified as part of the lower mantle, seismic discontinuities suggest the “D” layer might differ chemically from the lower mantle lying above it.)
4) Lower Mantle
5) Middle Mantle
6) Upper Mantle
7) Lithosphere

There is not doubt that prophet(PBUH) had all knowledge but prophet(PBUH) was not sent down to explain the scientific theories to his followers or to do scientific experiments but they were sent down to tell peoples that how they should lead their lives by giving them some moral code of right and wrong. Sir Harold Jeffreys and Inge Lehmann were the peopels who studied the nature of earth and they did not took any help from any religious scriptures in discovering the nature of earth

Scientists might be a religious or non religious person in his personal life but his science has nothing to do with his religion/beliefs