What's new

The 13-Year Divide: India's Economy Looks Much Like China's in 2001

Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
1,446
Reaction score
-6
Country
United States
Location
United States
http://online.wsj.com/articles/indias-economy-today-much-like-chinas-in-2001-1410730681

The 13-Year Divide: India's Economy Looks Much Like China's in 2001

697ca3f34dd41afcc728bc8f41804ead.jpg

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, left, shakes hands with Chinese President Xi Jinping during the 6th BRICS Summit in Brazil in July. Agence France-Presse/Getty Images

NEW DELHI—India today doesn't look quite like the economic dynamo that, just a few years ago, some predicted would overtake China as emerging-markets champion.

But the race looks a lot closer if you account for one key fact: China got a 13-year head start on India in opening its economy and giving companies greater freedom to invest and produce. In exports, capital spending and foreign investment, India today is remarkably similar to China circa 2001.

That should both console and concern India as it gets back on its feet after three years of weak growth and high inflation. Console, since it suggests the country's economy could remain on a China-like trajectory for years to come. But concern, because India's delay could mean that the country has missed out on some big advantages that catalyzed China's boom.

The latter point is especially worth considering given how assiduously India's recently elected prime minister, Narendra Modi, is working to follow the blueprint for China's export- and investment-driven success.

When Chinese President Xi Jinping visits the Indian capital this week he will encounter a recipe for economic revival that ought to look very familiar. Delhi is aiming to boost exports and raise India's share in world trade by 50% over the next five years. "Sell anywhere," Mr. Modi said in an Independence Day exhortation to global business last month. "But manufacture here."

The prime minister is promising Indians bullet trains and "smart cities." He is rolling out more "special economic zones" in which companies get tax benefits and zip through India's bureaucratic thickets.

He also appears to be taking cues from a certain northern neighbor about how industry can benefit from strong state direction and support. Trade Minister Nirmala Sitharaman said last week that the government will "ensure that we do enough hand-holding with our manufacturers so that 'Made in India' becomes a brand which all of us can be proud of."

But does the same lightning really strike twice? Here's where the matter of head starts and late arrivals potentially becomes important. The seeds of China's growth spurt were planted in 1978, when Deng Xiaoping decollectivized agriculture and started welcoming foreign investment. For India, economic takeoff can be traced to 1991, when a foreign-exchange crisis forced Delhi to scrap controls on firms' production and imports in exchange for an international bailout.

3ad717bc2a7ac5048f8928b99ea64495.jpg

Roadside vegetable sellers wait for customers in Amritsar, India.Agence France-Presse/Getty Images

If you start the clocks at those respective openings, then the two countries' paths look strikingly similar. In the years after liberalization, exports, foreign investment and spending on equipment, infrastructure and other ingredients for future growth, all grew at similar rates in the two nations. India's per capita output last year, adjusted for inflation, was slightly above China's in 2000.

There are differences, too. China's economy, even in 2001, was much more manufacturing-oriented than India's is today. India's growth has been fueled more by services such as software and business outsourcing.

Continuing on a China-like path, however, may require India to do more than simply re-enact China's recent playbook.

Low-cost manufacturing is less of a sure bet today.

"The growth in global demand is now being driven less by rich, advanced economies than it is by other middle-income economies, which themselves are still relying on exports to maintain growth," said Eswar Prasad, an economist at Cornell University.

India, in other words, is arriving late to what has become a very crowded party. Bangladesh makes garments; the Philippines, electronics; Thailand and Vietnam, machines and computer parts.

Saon Ray, an economist at the Indian Council for Research on International Economic Relations, says India still has opportunities in the "very high-tech but very niche segments" in which it already has a foothold, such as pharmaceutical development and semiconductor design. (India doesn't manufacture chips, however.)

"It is never too late" to become an industrial hub, Ms. Ray said. "Because the good thing about technology is that it evolves all the time."

Another issue, Mr. Prasad says, is that India today can't boost its exports by weakening its currency. Unlike China and other Asian success stories in the past, India's capital account today is fairly open, and the rupee, for better or worse, moves at the whim of global markets.

Also absent today: easy money from the U.S. Federal Reserve, which many economists say was the driving force behind the emerging-market booms of the 2000s, including China's and India's.

Morgan Stanley economist Chetan Ahya emphasizes the economic advantage of India's young population. In 2000, the median Chinese person was 30 years old. The median Indian person today is 27. Educating India's younger generation and creating enough decent jobs for them will be the key. "Where you peak out depends upon how well you have been able to use the working-age population," Mr. Ahya said.

In that department, however, China's lead over India is even greater. India in 2011 still hadn't achieved the literacy rate that China had in 1990. In terms of the number of years the average adult has spent in school, India in 2013 was comparable to China in 1985. India is similarly decades behind on indicators of health, sanitation and longevity.

Economic powerhouses aren't often built on foundations like these.

—R. Jai Krishna contributed to this article.
 
.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/indias-economy-today-much-like-chinas-in-2001-1410730681

The 13-Year Divide: India's Economy Looks Much Like China's in 2001

View attachment 49695
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, left, shakes hands with Chinese President Xi Jinping during the 6th BRICS Summit in Brazil in July. Agence France-Presse/Getty Images

NEW DELHI—India today doesn't look quite like the economic dynamo that, just a few years ago, some predicted would overtake China as emerging-markets champion.

But the race looks a lot closer if you account for one key fact: China got a 13-year head start on India in opening its economy and giving companies greater freedom to invest and produce. In exports, capital spending and foreign investment, India today is remarkably similar to China circa 2001.

That should both console and concern India as it gets back on its feet after three years of weak growth and high inflation. Console, since it suggests the country's economy could remain on a China-like trajectory for years to come. But concern, because India's delay could mean that the country has missed out on some big advantages that catalyzed China's boom.

The latter point is especially worth considering given how assiduously India's recently elected prime minister, Narendra Modi, is working to follow the blueprint for China's export- and investment-driven success.

When Chinese President Xi Jinping visits the Indian capital this week he will encounter a recipe for economic revival that ought to look very familiar. Delhi is aiming to boost exports and raise India's share in world trade by 50% over the next five years. "Sell anywhere," Mr. Modi said in an Independence Day exhortation to global business last month. "But manufacture here."

The prime minister is promising Indians bullet trains and "smart cities." He is rolling out more "special economic zones" in which companies get tax benefits and zip through India's bureaucratic thickets.

He also appears to be taking cues from a certain northern neighbor about how industry can benefit from strong state direction and support. Trade Minister Nirmala Sitharaman said last week that the government will "ensure that we do enough hand-holding with our manufacturers so that 'Made in India' becomes a brand which all of us can be proud of."

But does the same lightning really strike twice? Here's where the matter of head starts and late arrivals potentially becomes important. The seeds of China's growth spurt were planted in 1978, when Deng Xiaoping decollectivized agriculture and started welcoming foreign investment. For India, economic takeoff can be traced to 1991, when a foreign-exchange crisis forced Delhi to scrap controls on firms' production and imports in exchange for an international bailout.

View attachment 49696
Roadside vegetable sellers wait for customers in Amritsar, India.Agence France-Presse/Getty Images

If you start the clocks at those respective openings, then the two countries' paths look strikingly similar. In the years after liberalization, exports, foreign investment and spending on equipment, infrastructure and other ingredients for future growth, all grew at similar rates in the two nations. India's per capita output last year, adjusted for inflation, was slightly above China's in 2000.

There are differences, too. China's economy, even in 2001, was much more manufacturing-oriented than India's is today. India's growth has been fueled more by services such as software and business outsourcing.

Continuing on a China-like path, however, may require India to do more than simply re-enact China's recent playbook.

Low-cost manufacturing is less of a sure bet today.

"The growth in global demand is now being driven less by rich, advanced economies than it is by other middle-income economies, which themselves are still relying on exports to maintain growth," said Eswar Prasad, an economist at Cornell University.

India, in other words, is arriving late to what has become a very crowded party. Bangladesh makes garments; the Philippines, electronics; Thailand and Vietnam, machines and computer parts.

Saon Ray, an economist at the Indian Council for Research on International Economic Relations, says India still has opportunities in the "very high-tech but very niche segments" in which it already has a foothold, such as pharmaceutical development and semiconductor design. (India doesn't manufacture chips, however.)

"It is never too late" to become an industrial hub, Ms. Ray said. "Because the good thing about technology is that it evolves all the time."

Another issue, Mr. Prasad says, is that India today can't boost its exports by weakening its currency. Unlike China and other Asian success stories in the past, India's capital account today is fairly open, and the rupee, for better or worse, moves at the whim of global markets.

Also absent today: easy money from the U.S. Federal Reserve, which many economists say was the driving force behind the emerging-market booms of the 2000s, including China's and India's.

Morgan Stanley economist Chetan Ahya emphasizes the economic advantage of India's young population. In 2000, the median Chinese person was 30 years old. The median Indian person today is 27. Educating India's younger generation and creating enough decent jobs for them will be the key. "Where you peak out depends upon how well you have been able to use the working-age population," Mr. Ahya said.

In that department, however, China's lead over India is even greater. India in 2011 still hadn't achieved the literacy rate that China had in 1990. In terms of the number of years the average adult has spent in school, India in 2013 was comparable to China in 1985. India is similarly decades behind on indicators of health, sanitation and longevity.

Economic powerhouses aren't often built on foundations like these.

—R. Jai Krishna contributed to this article.


India has wolves and vermin ruling her for 62 years until 2014, whose entire plan was to weaken India and keep the host-virus relationship from colonial era on.

what we were in 2005 economic boom was a result of 6 years of tremendous work by the previous NDA government,under the leadership of AB Vajpayee.
 
.
This part is the key differentiator.

India in 2011 still hadn't achieved the literacy rate that China had in 1990. In terms of the number of years the average adult has spent in school, India in 2013 was comparable to China in 1985. India is similarly decades behind on indicators of health, sanitation and longevity
 
.
The last 10 years of misrule and policy paralysis were resposible for this glaring gap. For some people 'secularism' was more important than house, food and water
 
.
Some people are professional comparison makers, lol.

Back in 2001, the widely held view in the western world and India was that China was about to collapse post 1997 Asian crisis. Gordon Chang's book was flying off the shelves.
 
.
Another China is not to duplicated, LOL. Different times, different opportunities. Given today's economic atmosphere in the world, world manufacture hub is not going to stay, let alone doubled. India still may follow China's development trajectory, but won't be by doing the same things. You have to find your own way to get there. That seemingly 13 years gap may be much longer in reality.
 
Last edited:
.
Another China is not to duplicated, LOL. Different times, different opportunities. Given today's economic atmosphere in the world, world manufacture hub is not going to stay, let alone doubled. India still may follow China's development trajectory, but won't be by doing the same things. You have to find your own way to get there. That seemingly 13 years gap may be much longer in reality.

You are stating the obvious. That 13 years could also be much shorter in reality.
 
.
The last 10 years of misrule and policy paralysis were resposible for this glaring gap. For some people 'secularism' was more important than house, food and water
Let's not dirty the word 'secularism' for their sins. Let's rephrase your sentence as - "...for some people pro Islamism was more im....."
 
.
China didn't have blackouts 13 years ago。

China had much better infrastructure in 2001 than India today。

13 years ago the size of the Chinese economy was about the size of the Indian economy today。

But one USD in 2001 went a lot further than one dollar does today。

Assuming no inflation and zero change in rupee-dollar exchange rate for the next 13 years,India needs to grow at annual compound rate of 14% to become what China is today in GDP terms。

With annual growth rate of 8%,it will take India 22 years to grow into a today's China。

Possible?:lol:
 
.
China didn't have blackouts 13 years ago。

China had much better infrastructure in 2001 than India today。

13 years ago the size of the Chinese economy was about the size of the Indian economy today。

But one USD in 2001 went a lot further than one dollar does today。

Assuming no inflation and zero change in rupee-dollar exchange rate for the next 13 years,India needs to grow at annual compound rate of 14% to become what China is today in GDP terms。

With annual growth rate of 8%,it will take India 22 years to grow into a today's China。

Possible?:lol:

On one side chinese are saying that comparision is not possible as India will have to chart its own path...........and on the other hand those with BUTT HURT is saying we have to compare china and India :lol:

USD inflation is minimal unlike other currency.

Earlier only the US, europe & japan invested in China.

Today the US, Europe, Japan AND CHINA will invest in India so everything and MORE is possible :lol:
 
.
China didn't have blackouts 13 years ago。

China had much better infrastructure in 2001 than India today。

13 years ago the size of the Chinese economy was about the size of the Indian economy today。

But one USD in 2001 went a lot further than one dollar does today。

Assuming no inflation and zero change in rupee-dollar exchange rate for the next 13 years,India needs to grow at annual compound rate of 14% to become what China is today in GDP terms。

With annual growth rate of 8%,it will take India 22 years to grow into a today's China。

Possible?:lol:


How can a comparison be made among 2 developing nations which have different forms of governance ?

One is developing because it is authoritarian while the other is developing despite not being authoritarian..
 
.
How can a comparison be made among 2 developing nations which have different forms of governance ?

One is developing because it is authoritarian while the other is developing despite not being authoritarian..

Okay we've seen how your "biggest democracy" at work 2 years ago preparing the common wealth games. Billions of $ of your own money with your country's name on the line. How did you do? Delay after delay after delay, scandles after scandals, corruptions everywhere. I pity whoever put their money in your hands!
 
.
Okay we've seen how your "biggest democracy" at work 2 years ago preparing the common wealth games. Billions of $ of your own money with your country's name on the line. How did you do? Delay after delay after delay, scandles after scandals, corruptions everywhere. I pity whoever put their money in your hands!

LOL....are you trying to claim corruption does not exist in China ? :woot:
 
. .
China has corruption but things get done. India has corruption but nothing gets done.

Things getting done or not getting done has nothing to do with corruption. :disagree:

Even if there is no corruption things can get done or not get done. It depends on the govt. which wants to get things done or don't care enough to get things done.
 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom