Thank You USA

[Enigma SIG]

"...can't be acceptable any more."

How nice that "any more" is no longer acceptable! And the decades of blood on your hands before such a revelation born from your sense of survival is explained how?

"any more" says it all for the calculated campaign of duplicity and subterfuge centered around your proxy wars. That it took your attack dogs approaching within sixty miles of your capitol to achieve such an awakening is your good fortune, I suppose.

Self-preservation is a good thing.

Now we're talking distances aren't we ?
You've got IED's exploding at 500m from your bases; I guess that'll surely wakeup your armies. Wonder how it got there hmmmmm maybe another false flag ?

British Soldier dies at Camp Bastion

 

[muse]

Avoided another 9/11.

In other words, you ain't done diddly since you guys been there, you got the same talib problem you did before

Right next to OUR Pakistanis

You got no Pakistanis, that's your problem in A'stan and in other places as well.

Well, they aren't in Quetta, are they?

I'll tell you where they are, killing Americans soldiers they are supposed to be working with.

Whereas for a change the US media has good thingsot say about the Pakistani effort, you find it unreasonable that you may learn something from others - happy trails

 

[Durran3]

Originally Posted by S-2

Avoided another 9/11. You? Seems you slept-walked through the abdication of your country. Nice that you've started to consider taking it back.

We've no successes to speak of in Afghanistan other than to look back and know we've avoided to date more 9/11s. Please note that wouldn't be the case had Afghanistan's enemies not found succor and sanctuary on YOUR lands.

A rather weak argument if you don't mind me butting into this conversation. Afghanistan had little to no role in 9/11 and what ever you do in Afghanistan is not going to prevent another 9/11 attack if God forbid there was to be one. Any training that is needed to pull something close to the 9/11 magnitude can easily be done in any country around the world. The most important training which was flying the aircrafts was actually done in the US not Afghanistan. The training in Afghanistan camps was solely to counter Northern Alliance troops. Afghanistan maybe a save haven for terrorist attacks like Mumbai but an attack close to the 9/11 magnitude, you surely need to be much closer to larger sophisticated countries and have proper access to technology rather than sitting in a remote mountain far away in Afghanistan, don't forget a lot of the 9/11 planning actually took place inside Europe

While it is true that Mullah Omar gave Osama bin Laden a sanctuary both before and after 9/11, it is by no means clear that they would give him free rein to attack the United States again. Protecting al Qaeda back in 2001 brought no end of trouble to Mullah Omar and his associates, and if they were lucky enough to regain power, it is hard to believe they would give the US a reason to come back in force. Did the Afghans follow the Soviets when they withdrew from Afghanistan? No, so what makes you think they would follow the Americans?

Maybe your next stop should be Somalia?

 

[Fracker]

have been a part of the Afghan Taliban and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) under the tutelage of Mullah Umar and Al Qaeda.

Now this clears the authenticity and reliablity of the approach adopt by writer...

Don't have time to waste on these stupid articles. We will soon see drone attacks in our own big cities like Khi, Lhr, and claim will be same.. Taliban and then as well many people will back US Drones, since their homes aren't on burn.

Till your home is not burning, keep praising USA Drone attacks..

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

True---so very true---afghans never follow the loosers to their home countries---even they have been killed by the hundreds of thousands---the afghans have never gone out of their way to spread terror in russia or the u s.

They will kill their enemies---they will die in thousands----their homes detroyed---their children dead---but when the enemy packs their bags and leaves---the afghans will go back to being goat herders one more time---they will have one more story to tell their children---the world will have one more defeated army to add to the history books---there will be one more army leaving afghanistan with their tail between their legs---and heads hanging low----but only if there would have been an american KIPLING.

 

[Developereo]

Let me know when your army/police spill a DROP of their blood assisting ANYBODY but yourselves.

PAKISTAN'S CONTRIBUTION TO UN PEACEKEEPING

Pakistan [...] is the largest contributor to the UN peacekeeping personnel in the world. Since 1962, Pakistan has participated in 28 missions. Today, amongst the 100 personnel-contributing countries, Pakistan ranks highest, by currently making a contribution of 8544 personnel (troop and police) to UN missions in Africa, Asia and Europe. 80 Pakistani peacekeepers have perished in their efforts to maintain peace in the world.

This was as of 2004. I am sure the number is much higher by now, especially after Somalia.

But I will acknowledge that the US military has also made sacrifices for other people's interests where there was no benefit to the US.

4347 deaths in Iraq to fight Israel's war.
868 deaths in Afghanistan to install an Indian client state.

 

[Patriot]

Developpro, Pakistan is the largest contributor now
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Pakistan is the top troop contributing country.With around 11,000 troops, Pakistan is one of the largest troop contributors, constituting 11 per cent of the total UN Peacekeeeping force.The 10 main troop-contributing countries to UN peacekeeping operations as of March 2007 were Pakistan (10,173), Bangladesh (9,675), India (9,471), Nepal (3,626), Jordan (3,564), Uruguay (2,583), Italy (2,539), Ghana (2,907), Nigeria (2,465), and France (1,975).

 

[waraich66]

"the Fauj outCOINED US efforts..."

We don't have your army's size nor the luxury of a selective and discrete application within a tiny confined area like SWAT. Thank goodness that you rose off your rears to defend yourselves at all.

THAT was a questionable proposition five months ago.

Your gratuitous self-congratulations have hardly out-COINed Bajaur free of these devils and SWAT remains in contention if continuing arrests indicate anything.

Then there's the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan. Call me when you've tidied that up and maybe we can discuss the omnipotence of the Fauj.

ISAF failed to maintain peace in Afghanistan still 80% of Afghanistan is Islamic Emirate , US super power status is at stake that is reason putting pressure on Pakistan to increase fight in FATA to protect ISAF forces from Talaban attackes increasing day by day.


Your honey moon period is now over ,no pay no play , US have to support completely PA for Waziristan operation otherwise success is impossible.

 

[waraich66]

A rather weak argument if you don't mind me butting into this conversation. Afghanistan had little to no role in 9/11 and what ever you do in Afghanistan is not going to prevent another 9/11 attack if God forbid there was to be one. Any training that is needed to pull something close to the 9/11 magnitude can easily be done in any country around the world. The most important training which was flying the aircrafts was actually done in the US not Afghanistan. The training in Afghanistan camps was solely to counter Northern Alliance troops. Afghanistan maybe a save haven for terrorist attacks like Mumbai but an attack close to the 9/11 magnitude, you surely need to be much closer to larger sophisticated countries and have proper access to technology rather than sitting in a remote mountain far away in Afghanistan, don't forget a lot of the 9/11 planning actually took place inside Europe

While it is true that Mullah Omar gave Osama bin Laden a sanctuary both before and after 9/11, it is by no means clear that they would give him free rein to attack the United States again. Protecting al Qaeda back in 2001 brought no end of trouble to Mullah Omar and his associates, and if they were lucky enough to regain power, it is hard to believe they would give the US a reason to come back in force. Did the Afghans follow the Soviets when they withdrew from Afghanistan? No, so what makes you think they would follow the Americans?

Maybe your next stop should be Somalia?

Afghanistan is head quater of United Jehad Alliance under OBL , US case is different from Russia , After withdrawal from Afghanistan Russia never attacked any muslim country but US is continusely supporting Israel , even US evacuate from Afghanistan they know OBL will chase them untill resolution of Palestine Problem and exit of US forces from Arabian Gulf.

 

[Patriot]

Afghanistan is head quater of United Jehad Alliance under OBL , US case is different from Russia , After withdrawal from Afghanistan Russia never attacked any muslim country but US is continusely supporting Israel , even US evacuate from Afghanistan they know OBL will chase them untill resolution of Palestine Problem and exit of US forces from Arabian Gulf.

Well, Well..forget it.This is the exact reason Afghanistan is being bombed right now.OBL has only benefited Western Nations so that US can bomb Muslim countries with justification.OBL is the real scum who should be tortured limb by limb by Afghans.It's because of this mentality Afghanistan is in huge mess now.

 

[r3alist]

it sounds like your defense of the terrorists

stop right there, am not defending these people, amend your post or consider yourself reported, thanks.

 

[r3alist]

Look we did not kill every Talib in Swat and we do not want to kill anybody, the solution is for the Talib to surrender, isn't it?? You know that Al-qaeeda with it's "international" will not surrender with out a fight, right? and you know we have every intention of prevailing, or would you rather that we use rubber bullets and such??

Any way you look at this and any way in which you may hope to spin this, the bottom line is that every inch of Pakistan belongs to us and not Talib or Al-Qaeeda or their Saudi and Gulf backers - that's just the way it will be. Surrender or die.

this just sounds hopelessly misguided.

this is not a conventional war where its obvious when a force is depleted and therefore has to surrender.



if you try and make them surrender by incurring costs it actually perpetuates the cycle of violence, the only way you can succeed in your aims is to go on a genocidal rampage so there is no enemy left since these guys are very good at asymmetric warfare, the middle ground causes destabilisation and even more problems.

i asked you earlier when such a policy has worked before, you never replied.


american actions in this area are ensuring that mujhadeen types will endure in pakistan/afghanistan because they will have a debt to pay for their lost ones and this is a serious problem for pakistan since its pakistan they will direct their anger at, this is history repeating itself.

i think theres a need to find a balance between taking out leaders and winning over tribes, in that sense my feeling is we need autonomy to deal with the situation since its our patch, they are OUR PEOPLE and we need to win them over, not isolate them, alas its the americans who are pursuing the policies which destabilise pakistan.

 

[r3alist]

I agree with some of your points, and I agree with the gist of your criticizm of non-combatants dying when a drone targets the Taliban/AQ, but I also think your position is somewhat irrational given the circumstances.

The Taliban and AQ leadership is not out in plain sight, or else we would have drone and air strikes day in and day out killing these people. It takes a lot of effort and intelligence to get good enough information to target them, and even then one cannot be sure that the objective was achieved.

If not through drone strikes (and I agree that it is Pakistan that should be controlling them) and airstrikes, then how?

i fully accept that drones are extremely useful in helping us and your points are correct and i agree.

however you have to remember that this is a difficult situation and we are dealing with difficult people who are skilled in asymmetric warfare, ask the british, ask the russians and ask the americans.

our situation is also significant because some of these are our OWN PEOPLE, we need to treat them not as sub human but people who can be citizens of pakistan.

so we cannot be letting america persistently fail with drone attacks, its pakistan and pakistani's who face the backlash.

we need to be smart about how we use the drones and yes intelligence is crucial.

therefore to approve the american drones is to shoot yourself in the foot, it needs to be more on our terms since its our patch, the americans dont give a crap how many die.

the other issue is trust.

why on earth should we trust them and assume our goals are the same as theirs? they are not our historical friends or allies in any meaningful way, our army complains that the americans do not act on their intelligence aswell, you cant just give them total autonomy.

 

[Enigma SIG]

I won't wish the same of your young soldiers. They, like ours, follow the orders of their commanders and do the best they can with terribly difficult situations.

Your "thoughts", as expressed here, seem self-serving as your country continues to ask, demand, AND receive the benefit of our aid in a myriad of areas critical to your survival and growth.

You seem unaware or unconcerned with that.

Your peers here evidently support your thoughts as NOBODY has seen fit to call out this heinous comment for the poison it clearly represents.

I'm dismayed more at them than you.

It's one thing to hate ME. Fine. I don't particularly like what YOU represent either. To transfer your hate such that it damages others without cause is thoughtless beyond belief.

The post has been reported. IMV, you deserve to be removed but we'll see what happens.

Again, were it me saying such, I'd be long gone. Whether there's a grain of equity in our stature, though, shall be revealed soon enough.

Unbelievably poor behavior that appears to have the support of all who've viewed it.

For that, I condemn all of you and the management of this enterprise. May such callousness be reversed by the actions of those possessing the authority to do so.

Thanks.

Although i do agree that the comment was in bad taste; it goes to show how unwelcome the US is in this or any other part of the world.

America has come to be known as a nation run by arrogant people who do not understand the dynamics of nations that are run on the far side of the world. You want to constantly push your policies down other peoples throats.

It is just a reaction to the flawed policies of the US w.r.t. Pakistan. You have got our hands tied; you wont give equipment yet ask us to do more and more and talk about bombing our cities without considering its implications in the broader sense that it makes the US more despicable in the minds of Pakistanis.

While you call Pakistan your strategic partner; you go on pampering India with all sorts of deals and ask Pakistan to be toothless in face of Indian aggression. You have left us not once; not twice but again and again and have proved to be the worst of friends. After all of this; what sort of response do you expect from us Pakistanis...?

 

[PAFAce]

I think administration must take action to make forum more healthy,condusive and friendly.

I hope durran3,seeker,tamimi,imran2006g and other patriot suporters will also learn lesson.

I did not mean to target any specific members, Fundamentalist. Everyone has the right to support anybody they like. As long as a level of civility is observed, I have no problem with someone making their opinions heard.