Tesla Model 3 beats Honda Civic as top-selling car in California

[Hamartia Antidote]

https://electrek.co/2020/05/29/tesla-model-3-beats-honda-civic-top-selling-car-california/

Tesla Model 3 has outsold the much cheaper Honda Civic to become California’s top-selling passenger car during the first quarter 2020.

The California-based automaker has been consistently doing good in its home market, which also happens to be one of its biggest markets in the world.

In the first three months of the year, Tesla has again grown in California, according to registration data.

This week, the California New Car Dealers Association released its quarterly report for the first quarter, and it shows Tesla Model 3 even outselling the Honda Civic to become the top-selling passenger car in the state, regardless of the segment.

The California New Car Dealers Association classifies the Tesla Model 3 as a “near luxury” vehicle.

Model 3 lead the segment — outselling all the competition combined. It has also beat top-selling vehicles like the Honda Civic and Toyota Camry:




As for Model S and Model X, the electric vehicles are still performing well in their own segment, but they are not the top-selling vehicles anymore:



Overall, Tesla managed to grow more than 9% in Q1 2020 versus Q1 2019 — outpacing its growth rate in 2019:

Tesla is still gaining overall market shares, now representing 4.6% of the entire new car market in California with only three models.

 

[Bilal9]

@Hamartia Antidote - I can vouch for this. Until this Covid thing broke, they sold damn near every single one they made and they are ubiquitous on the freeways here. Several friends bought one and apparently, they get some kind of break if they refer me as a buyer.

Haven't pulled the trigger yet, still mulling it over. Not cheap - these things.

 

[Zapper]

California has the most robust electric charging infrastructure among all states. If other states follow suit, I'm sure we'll see a similar trend

Once the Cybertruck is released, Midwest and other Northern states would opt for that given their affinity to Pickup Trucks

 

[casual]

California has the most robust electric charging infrastructure among all states. If other states follow suit, I'm sure we'll see a similar trend

Once the Cybertruck is released, Midwest and other Northern states would opt for that given their affinity to Pickup Trucks

lack of charging stations means no one will buy electric cars. no electric cars means the state won't spend money on charging stations. Unless tesla wants to spend it's own money I don't think teslas will catch on outside the bay area.

also bay area is pretty rich. model 3 is hardly considered "luxury"

 

[Zapper]

lack of charging stations means no one will buy electric cars. no electric cars means the state won't spend money on charging stations. Unless tesla wants to spend it's own money I don't think teslas will catch on outside the bay area.

also bay area is pretty rich. model 3 is hardly considered "luxury"

The future is electric and several auto makers are getting into the electric segment lately. I personally liked Jaguar's I-Pace over Model-3 despite the later's higher range.

As more electric cars creep into the market, we should see a generalized charging infrastructure all over but it would definitely start with California. Tesla's primary advantage is their Supercharger network but other auto firms could collaborate with charging companies like "ChargePoint" to develop alternatives

 

[Bilal9]

The financial basics on the 'charging business model' is solid but the whole thing is still in its infancy, even in most parts of California.

I don't know if you could say, take an electric from LA all the way to Vegas (350 plus miles) with a charging/lunch place in between where you could have a bite while your car charges up. For that matter, don't know if Nevada state businesses will pony up on building charging stations.

I believe the max range for a Tesla 3 Long Range version is 322 miles - while the standard range version is 250 miles. Still not enough to make that Vegas trip on one charge.

LA to SF/Sacramento (500 plus miles) definitely will need two charges and then some, so these charging station businesses will need time to brainstorm and figure out where to set up these stations along these popular routes.

 

[8888888888888]

WOW an American car model beating the Japanese.

 

[Bilal9]

WOW an American car model beating the Japanese.

Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla are made in US almost 100% (from Chinese parts). As are other supposedly 'Japanese' products.

Also, Tesla 3 is also made in China now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giga_Shanghai

 

[Oldman1]

WOW an American car model beating the Japanese.

Yeah its shocking.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Yeah its shocking.

Will Tesla be like Apple..

Home electronics used to be saturated with expensive HiFi racks/cameras mostly dominated by Japanese companies then:

1) Stereo TVs with good sound came out (MTV inspired?)...dinging the rack market.
2) high capacity Apple Mp3 players came out..pretty much killed everything the rack market
3) Smartphone killed the camera/camcorder market. No major Japanese players

 

[Bilal9]

Will Tesla be like Apple..

Home electronics used to be saturated with expensive HiFi racks/cameras mostly dominated by Japanese companies then:

I was told the 70's/80's were the golden age for Hi Fidelity equipment and especially the advent of Stereo/Dolby noise reduction etc. Things have improved but not spectacularly since then. High quality cassette decks, reel decks, extreme precision turntables for records were in vogue then, as well as good speakers, not so much nowadays. People appreciated quality sound back then. New generation mostly does not care about quality of music anymore, they put up with processed digital garbage sound and accepted the compromise because of convenience.

1) Stereo TVs with good sound came out (MTV inspired?)...dinging the rack market.

IMHO the high fidelity sound quality of Stereo TV's (even in the nineties/2000's) did not approach that of rack-mounted units, even cheap ones like Denon, Pioneer etc. They were more impressive than seen prior, but no cigar.

2) high capacity Apple Mp3 players came out..pretty much killed everything the rack market

MP3 players offered storage of a lifetime collection of songs, but pure audiophiles would disagree whether quantity vs. quality was a good compromise. Nowadays you don't even need to store music, you just stream it with the likes of a Spotify subscription.

3) Smartphone killed the camera/camcorder market. No major Japanese players

Smartphone picture quality is getting better and better everyday, that is true. You may not be aware that most micro cameras used in cellphones (sensors, image processing hardware as well as micro lenses recently developed) are coming from Japanese vendors (such as Sharp, Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic), and some also from Korean (Samsung/LG) ones. Huawei and ZTE from China are also niche players. But suffice it to say the Japanese haven't given up the back end. If there is no marginal profit in making branded cellphones, the Japanese don't need to involved in them. They are happy making the camera components (at a profit to make money) which every cell phone manufacturer buys from them.

 

[Crusher]

I am just enjoying the growing electric vehicle revolution, f*** diesel/petrol vehicles they are one of the biggest sources of pollution within residential towns and cities.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I was told the 70's/80's were the golden age for Hi Fidelity equipment and especially the advent of Stereo/Dolby noise reduction etc. Things have improved but not spectacularly since then. High quality cassette decks, reel decks, extreme precision turntables for records were in vogue then, as well as good speakers, not so much nowadays. People appreciated quality sound back then. New generation mostly does not care about quality of music anymore, they put up with processed digital garbage sound and accepted the compromise because of convenience.



IMHO the high fidelity sound quality of Stereo TV's (even in the nineties/2000's) did not approach that of rack-mounted units, even cheap ones like Denon, Pioneer etc. They were more impressive than seen prior, but no cigar.



MP3 players offered storage of a lifetime collection of songs, but pure audiophiles would disagree whether quantity vs. quality was a good compromise. Nowadays you don't even need to store music, you just stream it with the likes of a Spotify subscription.



Smartphone picture quality is getting better and better everyday, that is true. You may not be aware that most micro cameras used in cellphones (sensors, image processing hardware as well as micro lenses recently developed) are coming from Japanese vendors (such as Sharp, Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic), and some also from Korean (Samsung/LG) ones. Huawei and ZTE from China are also niche players. But suffice it to say the Japanese haven't given up the back end. If there is no marginal profit in making branded cellphones, the Japanese don't need to involved in them. They are happy making the camera components (at a profit to make money) which every cell phone manufacturer buys from them.

Back then the sound quality coming out of TVs is similar to putting your smartphone in speaker mode.
So watching a movie or MTV was not a great experience..especially when increasing the volume.

To solve this people would pipe it through a rack system. Even in pre-1984 mono days the sound quality would dramatically improve with a 5.1 system. When stereo broadcasting came out in 1984 (tv stereo speakers still sucked) it was almost a requirement to have a rack. My brother and I spent $2500 for a top-of-the-line stereo picture-in-picture Sony XBR Trinitron (1980's money) and the sound still sucked. A decent rack system was $1000. A nice one was much more.

Sometime in the 1990's they finally got tv speakers with "acceptable" sound. So expensive racks were not a requirement. Japan Inc took a big big big hit.

MP3 players then gave the rack market another hit.

Smartphones dealt the camera/camcorder market a severe blow.

Now of course a rack system will still sound better. But to MOST people tv speakers are "acceptable" vs 30 years ago where it was "unacceptable".

Same with smartphones vs cameras/camcorders.

 

[Bilal9]

Back then the sound quality coming out of TVs is similar to putting your smartphone in speaker mode.
So watching a movie or MTV was not a great experience..especially when increasing the volume.

To solve this people would pipe it through a rack system. Even in pre-1984 mono days the sound quality would dramatically improve with a 5.1 system. When stereo broadcasting came out in 1984 (tv stereo speakers still sucked) it was almost a requirement to have a rack. My brother and I spent $2500 for a top-of-the-line stereo picture-in-picture Sony XBR Trinitron (1980's money) and the sound still sucked. A decent rack system was $1000. A nice one was much more.

Sometime in the 1990's they finally got tv speakers with "acceptable" sound. So expensive racks were not a requirement. Japan Inc took a big big big hit.

MP3 players then gave the rack market another hit.

Smartphones dealt the camera/camcorder market a severe blow.

Now of course a rack system will still sound better. But to MOST people tv speakers are "acceptable" vs 30 years ago where it was "unacceptable".

Same with smartphones vs cameras/camcorders.

You made some good points. Growing up, we had a Sony XBR TV as well, Sony sure charged a premium for these sets. The yellows were much more accurate, in both NTSC and Asian PAL broadcast formats. No other TV could match the XBR or even Trinitron pictures. We didn't have stereo broadcast in Bangladesh back in the day, but I remember my elders telling me that East Pakistan (then Bangladesh) got Television broadcasts much earlier than other Asian countries, even India.

I never really believed in the rack systems. Opted for top-end higher quality receivers from Yamaha, an average compact disk player and a Nakamichi cassette setup with metal tape etc. which were vintage even in the nineties.

The reason tv speakers come with "acceptable sound" nowadays is that even micro 3" speakers can produce surprisingly lower and higher frequency sounds due to digital sound-shaping alterations to the sound signals being fed to those speakers.

I remember being floored by the Bose surround sound sets w/subwoofer in the nineties but when we opened one up, i realized that the woofer/tweeter/full-range drivers were simply cheap substandard ones being driven by a whole lot of electronic and physical wizardry.

Then ten years later Sonos came in and one upped them with the Sonos Play series.

For anyone wanting a 'wow' home theater setup, this is my prescription set of speakers to them rather than anything audiophile ($1856). And the source should have Dolby Atmos, then you're all set.

https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/surround-set-arc-sub-one-sl.html

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You made some good points. Growing up, we had a Sony XBR TV as well, Sony sure charged a premium for these sets. The yellows were much more accurate, in both NTSC and Asian PAL broadcast formats. No other TV could match the XBR or even Trinitron pictures. We didn't have stereo broadcast in Bangladesh back in the day, but I remember my elders telling me that East Pakistan (then Bangladesh) got Television broadcasts much earlier than other Asian countries, even India.

I never really believed in the rack systems. Opted for top-end higher quality receivers from Yamaha, an average compact disk player and a Nakamichi cassette setup with metal tape etc. which were vintage even in the nineties.

The reason tv speakers come with "acceptable sound" nowadays is that even micro 3" speakers can produce surprisingly lower and higher frequency sounds due to digital sound-shaping alterations to the sound signals being fed to those speakers.

I remember being floored by the Bose surround sound sets w/subwoofer in the nineties but when we opened one up, i realized that the woofer/tweeter/full-range drivers were simply cheap substandard ones being driven by a whole lot of electronic and physical wizardry.

Then ten years later Sonos came in and one upped them with the Sonos Play series.

For anyone wanting a 'wow' home theater setup, this is my prescription set of speakers to them rather than anything audiophile ($1856). And the source should have Dolby Atmos, then you're all set.

https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/surround-set-arc-sub-one-sl.html

We eventually had a Bose Acoustimass with the double cubes and the subwoofer. The sound was OK.
I still preferred our old Pioneer tower speakers to rock the sound so we kept them plugged in. The tv speakers were never used.