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I was comparing the principles used by both in warfare. Use the landscape to hide, civilian populations to gain logistical and intelligence support, and use hit and run tactics.
Just because there might be some similarities in combat tactics between an organized army and a terrorist group, that does not make both comparable in morals.

Let me clarify in my earlier post of clean water: clean is very difficult to find in Iraq. However, after some research, it seems this has been a problem for a while. It seems the war just accelerated it. So, no war means better access to clean water. Now, the fault lies on who's fault it is for starting the war.
The US was in the process of rebuilding Iraq but no thanks to terrorists who sabotaged that process. Or are you going to deny such sabotages did not exist?

By the way, your link isn't working.
Blame the forum's software. It substituted the 'dash' for the asterisk in the URL. This is an unacceptable bug as many URL have 'dashes' in them. I found the UN source again just fine.

Okay. So what? Are you saying the US has the same morals as other ME states or something?
No...But pointing out Iraq was a US ally is meaningless.

Who's denying that? It's just that most of them died in crossfire, not in deliberate killing.
Now you are denying it.

Plus, it's debatable if Al Qaeda even existed in Iraq before 2003.
Why does it matter?
 
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Just because there might be some similarities in combat tactics between an organized army and a terrorist group, that does not make both comparable in morals.
I was only comparing tactics, not morals. And it seem we do agree on the similarity on tactics.

The US was in the process of rebuilding Iraq but no thanks to terrorists who sabotaged that process. Or are you going to deny such sabotages did not exist?
Okay, then who is responsible for the destruction in the first place?

Blame the forum's software. It substituted the 'dash' for the asterisk in the URL. This is an unacceptable bug as many URL have 'dashes' in them. I found the UN source again just fine.
I found it after changing the asterisk to a dash.

No...But pointing out Iraq was a US ally is meaningless.
No, it's meaningful. It shows how US is willing to sponsor terrorism to meet its goal.

Now you are denying it.
Not really. I'm just saying that more civilians were killed in crossfire than deliberately killed. So, yes, Al Qaeda might have killed some civilians, but that number is dwarfed by how many were killed in crossfire.

Why does it matter?
The blame for a killing always falls on whoever pulled the trigger. But it also falls on whoever allowed that person to have a gun. Now, who created the situation in Iraq that allowed Al Qaeda to move in?
 
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I was only comparing tactics, not morals. And it seem we do agree on the similarity on tactics.

Okay, then who is responsible for the destruction in the first place?

No, it's meaningful. It shows how US is willing to sponsor terrorism to meet its goal.

Not really. I'm just saying that more civilians were killed in crossfire than deliberately killed. So, yes, Al Qaeda might have killed some civilians, but that number is dwarfed by how many were killed in crossfire.

The blame for a killing always falls on whoever pulled the trigger. But it also falls on whoever allowed that person to have a gun. Now, who created the situation in Iraq that allowed Al Qaeda to move in?
Good...Then we can open up the blame to other factors as well. How about religion?
 
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That's not a factor as religion was always part of middle eastern society while terrorist attacks are not a routine part of the same society.
 
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Good...Then we can open up the blame to other factors as well. How about religion?
Sure, why not. Then, we'll move onto US, and finally stop at Bugs Bunny.

First thing is religion: it makes little difference. If all the militants become Christian, do you really think they'll stop attacking? They'll merely change their religious rants from Arabic/Farsi to Hebrew/Latin. They'll use the Bible instead of the Quran to justify their attacks. Religion is rarely the cause, but used a lot as a justification. Plus, many have other motivations than religion, such as fighting a foreign invader.

Next up is the US: I'll let you start this one.

Finally, Bugs Bunny: his nudeness allowed society to slowly lose its morals, and become more corrupted. He is clearly one of the guilty ones, and needs to be tried at a military tribunal as soon as possible.
 
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^^ very valid points you have made, nicely put.

Religion will only be a factor if thers an holy war, crusade or some thing.
They are just insurgents trying to kick the invaders out of their country.
and if some of them tries to take the war to american homeland, in context of war its acceptable.
 
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^^ very valid points you have made, nicely put.
Thank you.

Religion will only be a factor if thers an holy war, crusade or some thing.
Even the crusades had other reasons for it. Originally, the Pope wanted all the knights to leave Europe so the fighting in Europe would decrease dramatically. The last crusade, launched by Venice, was purely to gain more ports to increase trade and wealth. Even the Pope condemned it. Christianity was merely used as an justification.
 
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^^ very valid points you have made, nicely put.

Religion will only be a factor if thers an holy war, crusade or some thing.
They are just insurgents trying to kick the invaders out of their country.
and if some of them tries to take the war to american homeland, in context of war its acceptable.

Yes but if you want to liberate your country. You don't blow yourself up using religion and kill civilians. You want to use Guerrilla warfare to kill U.S. troops because they invaded your country that is fine. These guys have no honor though. Not that the honor on the U.S. side is much higher but they don't go around specifically targeting civilians and such.

I am still baffled though of how desensitized some of these people are and how bent they are at "getting some". It is like the fact that the person they are about to put holes/drop bomb on/blew yourself to kill is the same as them and also has a family and was also a child at one point never seems to cross their mind. In fact all i hear now is laughter and joy after bombs go off and people are killed. War is murder anyway you want to glorify or justify it is up to the individual but it is something you have to live with the rest of your life.
 
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Terrorism expert Max Abrahms says Dubai plane crash may be linked to Yemen bomb plot

AN international terrorism expert has urged authorities to "connect the dots" between a recent UPS cargo plane crash in Dubai and the Yemen bomb plot, saying the two incidents have too many similarities to ignore.

Yemeni investigators today questioned a woman suspected of posting parcel bombs on two US-bound flights in an alleged al Qaeda plot that sparked a global air cargo security alert on Friday.

As forensic analysis continued on the bombs, leading US terrorism expert Dr Max Abrahms called for investigators to re-examine the cause of a UPS 747 cargo plane crash on September 3, the Gulf News reported.

The plane crashed after a fire broke out on board shortly after takeoff and its two pilots struggled to land the plane at Dubai.

The initial investigation into the crash, which killed the two pilots on impact, identified lithium batteries on board as being potentially to blame.
However Dr Abrahms, a fellow at the Dickey Center for International Understanding at Dartmouth College and on the Empirical Studies of Conflict project at Princeton University and the Hoover Institute, said authorities should consider it was caused by an explosive device similar to the ones found Friday.

"I think it would be very prudent to connect the dots in this incident," Abrahms told the Gulf News.

"It seems like common sense now and clearly there are similarities between the crash and this latest incident."

Meanwhile, The New York Times reported the two bombs concealed inside cargo packages shipped from Yemen were expertly constructed and unusually sophisticated.

Unnamed officials told the Times the bombs, which were intercepted Friday in Britain and Dubai, were further evidence that al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen was steadily improving its abilities to strike on US soil.

The Washington Post and Britain's Sunday Telegraph reported that investigators believed the mastermind behind the plot was a Saudi bomb-maker who last year sent his brother to his death in an effort to kill a Saudi prince.

Ibrahim Hassan al Asiri, a 28-year-old who is on Saudi Arabia's most-wanted list, introduced a PETN-based bomb in a body cavity of his younger brother, Abdullah, who pretended to be turning himself in, The Post reported.

The bomb killed his brother and wounded Mohammed bin Nayef, a top counterterrorism official and Saudi royal.

Asiri, who is based in Yemen, is also believed to have built the underwear bomb of Farouk Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian man who was trained in Yemen and attempted to blow up a commercial aircraft approaching Detroit last December.

The news reports follow the detention of a medical student by Yemeni investigators in connection with the latest plot.

The woman is studying medicine at Sanaa University and her father is a petroleum engineer, a Yemeni security official told AFP. She was held, along with her mother, after her mobile phone number was found on the receipt for the parcel bombs, the official added.

Investigators said that the bomb discovered at the Dubai airport was concealed in a Hewlett-Packard desktop printer, with high explosives packed into a printer cartridge to avoid detection by scanners, The New York Times reported.

"The wiring of the device indicates that this was done by professionals," the paper quoted an official involved in the investigation as saying. "It was set up so that if you scan it, all the printer components would look right."

The bomb discovered in Britain was also hidden in a printer cartridge, the newspaper said.

US officials have said the packages were addressed to synagogues in Chicago.

US President Barack Obama made it clear he suspects the involvement of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) - the Yemen-based branch of Usama bin Laden's extremist network - and vowed to wipe out the organisation.

Both bombs found on Friday were addressed to synagogues in the Chicago area, contained PETN - a highly explosive material which could have brought down the planes.
 
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Yes but if you want to liberate your country. You don't blow yourself up using religion and kill civilians. You want to use Guerrilla warfare to kill U.S. troops because they invaded your country that is fine. These guys have no honor though. Not that the honor on the U.S. side is much higher but they don't go around specifically targeting civilians and such.
One problem -- your grouping all the militants together. Do some do this? Yes. Do all? No. If the US leaves Afghanistan today, I'd wager that 60-70% of the Taliban fighters would lay down their arms. However, the remaining fighters would be the hardcore guys who are what you described.

I am still baffled though of how desensitized some of these people are and how bent they are at "getting some". It is like the fact that the person they are about to put holes/drop bomb on/blew yourself to kill is the same as them and also has a family and was also a child at one point never seems to cross their mind. In fact all i hear now is laughter and joy after bombs go off and people are killed. War is murder anyway you want to glorify or justify it is up to the individual but it is something you have to live with the rest of your life.
Like I described above, it's the hardcore guys who are doing this. And a lot of the suicide bombers are mentally impaired, or very young and easy to manipulate.
 
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ITS A CONSPiRACY !


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NO its a Cover-up
 
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Do you seriously propose that these terrorist plots are a justifiable response to some perceived grievance against the US? The US supports Yemen in the struggle forced upon it by al qaeda. Do you really believe al qaeda would cease planning its acts of murder were we to leave the Yemeni government and people to deal with this threat on their own? Remember, the US disengaged from Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 1990s, after supporting mujahedeen in their struggle against Soviet aggression, and we paid dearly for it. The result, of course, was 9/11, when four Planes were deliberately crashed into World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon, and other intended targets, and thousands of innocent people were killed. That certainly was not the only attack on the US soil that day and certainly not the last attempt since! As recent as few months ago, Faisal Shehzad, an immigrant from Pakistan was caught near the Times Square attempting to blow up his SUV full of explosives. Chain of events presents a different picture, wouldn’t you agree? The “Time Square Bomber” is from a country that is not just a friend of US but also a close ally on this war on terror. Is Pakistan also included in the list of “evil friends” by forming a strategic alliance with the US in an attempt to eliminate terrorism from its land?
The vast majority of the victims of Al Qaeda terrorism have been other Muslims. US actions against this terrorist network, and its support for other countries doing the same, are acts of self-defense, not aggression. Every nation in the world has the right to safeguard its land and to protect its citizens. Al-Qaeda has openly taken responsibility for 9/11 and countless other acts of mass murder, and US is helping to eliminate their threat. Wouldn’t you agree there is a difference in “attacking another country” and eliminating obvious threat to its nation?
LCDR Bill Speaks
DET, United States Central Command
www.Centcom.mil
 
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When u attack another country as Americans and there evil friends are doing you will get respons.

As old ppl say. If you hit me 10 times i will atleast hit you one time

Do you seriously propose that these terrorist plots are a justifiable response to some perceived grievance against the US? The US supports Yemen in the struggle forced upon it by al qaeda. Do you really believe al qaeda would cease planning its acts of murder were we to leave the Yemeni government and people to deal with this threat on their own? Remember, the US disengaged from Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 1990s, after supporting mujahedeen in their struggle against Soviet aggression, and we paid dearly for it. The result, of course, was 9/11, when four Planes were deliberately crashed into World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon, and other intended targets, and thousands of innocent people were killed. That certainly was not the only attack on the US soil that day and certainly not the last attempt since! As recent as few months ago, Faisal Shehzad, an immigrant from Pakistan was caught near the Times Square attempting to blow up his SUV full of explosives. Chain of events presents a different picture, wouldn’t you agree? The “Time Square Bomber” is from a country that is not just a friend of US but also a close ally on this war on terror. Is Pakistan also included in the list of “evil friends” by forming a strategic alliance with the US in an attempt to eliminate terrorism from its land?
The vast majority of the victims of Al Qaeda terrorism have been other Muslims. US actions against this terrorist network, and its support for other countries doing the same, are acts of self-defense, not aggression. Every nation in the world has the right to safeguard its land and to protect its citizens. Al-Qaeda has openly taken responsibility for 9/11 and countless other acts of mass murder, and US is helping to eliminate their threat. Wouldn’t you agree there is a difference in “attacking another country” and eliminating obvious threat to its nation?
LCDR Bill Speaks
DET, United States Central Command
www.Centcom.mil
 
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Do you seriously propose that these terrorist plots are a justifiable response to some perceived grievance against the US?

I wont comment on the rest of your propaganda... but let me say this (and I think most ppl would agree with this)...

Firstly... It is not perceived grievance against the US... It is very much actual and real...

Secondly... Even though it is a real grievance... It is not permitted to attack innocent civilians...
 
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