Terrorism: An Ideology or a Conspiracy

[seekers]

the Ottoman Empire during World War-I. These two powers of WW-I, conspired against the Ottoman Empire through local Muslims of the empire in 1915/16.

Sharif Hussein Bin Ali, also known as the Sharif of Mecca, than Governor of Hejaz was induced by the military and diplomatic high-ups of these countries to side with them against the then rulers of the Muslim empire. Through a secret agreement, Sharif Hussain was offered by the confidential negotiators that, he would be given a major chunk of the Arab land to rule as a reward of his assistance to crumble the Muslim Empire. He was financially supported by these powers to revolt against the Muslim Empire. Sharif Hussain did everything desired by the UK and France, but did not get in return, whatever he was promise. The current states of the Middle East indeed came into being through the balkanization of the Ottoman Empire.

These militants, akin to people like Sharif Hussain, are now playing in the hands of external powers to destabilize Pakistan. They are fully funded by the powers located outside Pakistan for their desired objectives. They are not followers of Islamic ideology, rather being used to destabilize Pakistan for the cause of forces behind them. It is now the responsibility of the media and intellectual class and academia in general to create awareness among the general masses regarding the true intents of these terrorists. Let’s identify Sharif Hussains, Mir Sadiqs and Mir Jaffars for their eventual rooting out from the Pakistani society. This is the only way we can serve Pakistan better.

Certainly Ottoman empire had been conspired by British and French.
But the Main local muslim character that assist them with collaboration of Lawrence of Arabia were Aale Saud, who were badu tribe before capturing the Hijaz and still be loyal and with British and US. West are still ruling through these Saud over muslims and keep them scattered over all Islamic community issues.

here a real background history of aale saud

In the mid-18th century, in the deserts of Arabia, a radical by the name of Mohammed ibn Abd Al-Wahhab began spreading a twisted ideology in the name of monotheism, which was to change the face of mainstream Islam. Abd Al-Wahhab maintained the belief that all other forms of Islam were “bid’a” or “innovation”, and labelled followers of the Sunni, and particularly the Shi’a sects as heretics. As such, he and his band of followers felt it their duty to punish those who went against their warped dogma, sometimes in the most brutal ways. He and his horde of bandits travelled to modern Iraq, and plundered the shrines of Imam Ali (AS) in Najaf, Imam Hussain (AS) in Karbala, demolished them and slaughtered the citizens of the Holy cities. They then went on to destroy various other shrines around Iraq; the Kadhimayn in Baghdad and the shrine of Imam al-Askari in Samarra'.

As his support grew and he began to spread his doctrine, Abd Al-Wahhab came across a tribal chieftain by the name of Mohammed bin Sa’ud, after he and his followers were exiled from a town for burying a local women up to her head in the sand, and stoning her to death. The two forged an alliance, sealed with the marriage of al-Sa’ud’s son to Abd Al-Wahhab’s daughter.

As al-Sa’ud rose to prominence and seized control of Arabia with the help of the British, the Wahhabi doctrine so too grew. Wahhabism has become indoctrinated in the state religion, and has overshadowed the true Islam. The Saudi royal family sought to spread Wahhabism, and destroy anything that went against it. This was evident when al-Sa’ud destroyed al-Baqee’, the resting place of the Prophet’s (PBUH) closest relatives and companions.

Today, the Saudi-Wahhabi ideology continues to blight the Muslim world. It’s stranglehold over mainstream Islam is the most worrying problem Muslims face today. Saudi Arabia has spent $17 billion in the last 30 years propagating Wahhabism; funding mosques, bribing Imams, and sponsoring schools, ensuring the scourge lives on for generations. Wahhabis now are as dangerous as their forefathers; they continue to slaughter Shi’a in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan, and they still kill indiscriminately in the name of Islam.

 

[ice_man]

@ deepak


And while I appreciate what PA is currently doing to fight this scum, so as to pre-empt the next conspiracy theory, let us also be clear that it was PA that created Taliban, the jehadi network, the LeJ which was meant to spear the Iranians and a lot of other X e X or Y e Y type of terrorist groups.

CORRECTION PAKISTAN didnot make the TALIBAN!!!

the US,SAUDI even ISRAEL helped monetarily as well as training & military hardware at that point in time TALIBAN were heroes!

now LAYING THE BLAME at PAKISTAN's door step is totally incorrect!!


as for these TERRORIST trust me friend they are the assassins of the old times! examples the arab HASHASHIAN or the NINJAS of japan! you pay them they go kill anyone you want!!! so no they are not an ideology but a conspiracy!!!

 

[pak-marine]

How is possible that followers of the Islamic ideology commit such a heavy massacre of women, children, elderly people and even those who have been killed while offering prayers.

all those conducted sucide attacks either dead , caught alive or were conspiring (very of those) are sunni Pakistanis , i am not picking up on a sect neither but trying to make a point i also think these morons have never attacked a sunni mosque either ...



As regard the killing of the minorities is concerned, Islam and the constitution of Pakistan provide the guarantees for the safety and security of its minority.

 

[deepak75]

@ deepak


And while I appreciate what PA is currently doing to fight this scum, so as to pre-empt the next conspiracy theory, let us also be clear that it was PA that created Taliban, the jehadi network, the LeJ which was meant to spear the Iranians and a lot of other X e X or Y e Y type of terrorist groups.

CORRECTION PAKISTAN didnot make the TALIBAN!!!

the US,SAUDI even ISRAEL helped monetarily as well as training & military hardware at that point in time TALIBAN were heroes!

now LAYING THE BLAME at PAKISTAN's door step is totally incorrect!!

Wrong my friend. That was the Mujahideen period. Taliban was a militia created and supported by the Pakistani Army and propped up against the Northern Alliance to create a Pakistani mandate in post Soviet Afganistan.

as for these TERRORIST trust me friend they are the assassins of the old times! examples the arab HASHASHIAN or the NINJAS of japan! you pay them they go kill anyone you want!!! so no they are not an ideology but a conspiracy!!!

I completely agree with you that these are pure criminals and assasins and fight for profit. However, what I would like to point out to you is the support mechanism of these terrorists which draws from the extremist ideology prevailing in Pakistan. They draw support because they fight in the garb of protecting their version of Islam. Hence my comment that the article is a very shallow attempt which does not delves in to the reasons of existence of these killers and on the other hand the author takes us on a conspiracy tangent which is in total contradiction to the reasons of existence of this scum.

 

[ice_man]

Wrong my friend. That was the Mujahideen period. Taliban was a militia created and supported by the Pakistani Army and propped up against the Northern Alliance to create a Pakistani mandate in post Soviet Afganistan.





I completely agree with you that these are pure criminals and assasins and fight for profit. However, what I would like to point out to you is the support mechanism of these terrorists which draws from the extremist ideology prevailing in Pakistan. They draw support because they fight in the garb of protecting their version of Islam. Hence my comment that the article is a very shallow attempt which does not delves in to the reasons of existence of these killers and on the other hand the author takes us on a conspiracy tangent which is in total contradiction to the reasons of existence of this scum.

firstly can you please tell the difference between MUJHAIDEEN,TALIBAN,NORTHERN ALLIANCE???

as in a clear difference? & if you may recall the WoT started against AL-QAEDA now it is against taliban! because the taliban never handed bin laden over so the mighty USA had to walk in !

however, having said that i am quiet sure no human being can tell the difference between AFGHAN TALIBAN,NORTHERN ALLIANCE OR MUJAHIDEEN! actually all were mujhaideen at one time weren't they???


now your second point about "EXTREMIST IDEOLOGY PREVAILENT IN PAKISTAN!"

please tell me how many extremist pakistanis do you know?? are you trying to imply that MOST pakistanis are extremist? in india you have BAJRANG DAL,RSS aren't they also extremist ideology??? does that mean EXTREMIST IDEOLOGY IS PREVALENT IN INDIA??

listen don't listen to everything coming on indian media! pakistanis ALL OF US!!! ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST ALL FORMS OF TERRORISM! BE IT OUR MULLAHS,SCHOLARS,POLITICANS OR COMMON MAN!

hence my theory of these men being funded and used by "other powers" stands valid.

 

[T-Faz]

Wrong my friend. That was the Mujahideen period. Taliban was a militia created and supported by the Pakistani Army and propped up against the Northern Alliance to create a Pakistani mandate in post Soviet Afganistan.

You are incorrect in assuming that it was Pakistan that created the taliban, some sections of ISI indeed had a major hand in creating taliban with the help of CIA, you cannot go and blame the whole country for the actions of intelligence agencies, they do what is in their best interest and would be beneficial to them in the long run. There are two kinds of ISI, one which deals with the west and another which deals with extremists, you should learn to distinguish between different things to understand the underlying problem becuase brandishing all under one term can make things complicated much like Bush's WOT where everyone who was against US was a terrorist.

Please read all of these carefully.​

1994-1997: US Supports Taliban Rise to Power

Journalist Ahmed Rashid, a long-time expert on Pakistan and Afghanistan, will later write in a book about the Taliban that the US supported the Taliban in its early years. “Between 1994 and 1996, the USA supported the Taliban politically through its allies Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, essentially because Washington viewed the Taliban as anti-Iranian, anti-Shia, and pro-Western. Between 1995 and 1997, US support was even more driven because of its backing for the Unocal [pipeline] project.” He notes that many US diplomats “saw them as messianic do-gooders—like born-again Christians from the American Bible Belt.” [Dreyfuss, 2005, pp. 326] Selig Harrison, a long-time regional expert with extensive CIA ties, will later say that he complained at the time about how Pakistani ISI support of the Taliban was backed by the CIA. “I warned them that we were creating a monster.” [Times of India, 3/7/2001] There is evidence the CIA may have helped supply the Taliban with weapons during the first months of their rise to power (see October 1994).

October 1994: CIA and ISI Allegedly Give Help and Secret Cache of Weapons to Taliban

The CIA supposedly backs the Taliban around the same time the Pakistani ISI starts strongly backing them (see Spring-Autumn 1994 and 1994-1997). According to a senior Pakistani intelligence source interviewed by British journalist Simon Reeves, the CIA provides Pakistan satellite information giving the secret locations of scores of Soviet trucks that contain vast amounts of arms and ammunition. The trucks were hidden in caves at the end of the Afghan war. Pakistan then gives this information to the Taliban. “The astonishing speed with which the Taliban conquered Afghanistan is explained by the tens of thousands of weapons found in these trucks….” [Reeve, 1999, pp. 191] Journalist Steve Coll will later similarly note that at this time, the Taliban gain access to “an enormous ISI-supplied weapons dump” in caves near the border town of Spin Boldak. It has enough weapons left over from the Soviet-Afghan war to supply tens of thousands of soldiers. [Coll, 2004, pp. 291] Another account will point out that by early 1995, the Taliban was equipped with armored tanks, ten combat airplanes, and other heavy weapons. They are thus able to conquer about a third of the country by February 1995. “According to the files at one European intelligence agency, these military advances can be explained mainly by ‘strong military training, not only by the Pakistani services, but also by American military advisers working under humanitarian cover.’” Later in 1995, a Turkish newsweekly will claim to have learned from a classified report given to the Turkish government that the CIA, ISI, and Saudi Arabia were all collaborating to build up the Taliban so they could quickly unite Afghanistan. [Labeviere, 1999, pp. 262-263]

1996-September 11, 2001: Enron Gives Taliban Millions in Bribes in Effort to Get Afghan Pipeline Built

The Associated Press will later report that the Enron corporation bribes Taliban officials as part of a “no-holds-barred bid to strike a deal for an energy pipeline in Afghanistan.” Atul Davda, a senior director for Enron’s International Division, will later claim, “Enron had intimate contact with Taliban officials.” Presumably this effort began around 1996, when a power plant Enron was building in India ran into trouble and Enron began an attempt to supply it with natural gas via a planned pipeline through Afghanistan (see 1995-November 2001 and June 24, 1996). In 1997, Enron executives privately meet with Taliban officials in Texas (see December 4, 1997). They are “given the red-carpet treatment and promised a fortune if the deal [goes] through.” It is alleged Enron secretly employs CIA agents to carry out its dealings overseas. According to a CIA source, “Enron proposed to pay the Taliban large sums of money in a ‘tax’ on every cubic foot of gas and oil shipped through a pipeline they planned to build.” This source claims Enron paid more than $400 million for a feasibility study on the pipeline and “a large portion of that cost was pay-offs to the Taliban.” Enron continues to encourage the Taliban about the pipeline even after Unocal officially gives up on the pipeline in the wake of the African embassy bombings (see December 5, 1998). An investigation after Enron’s collapse in 2001 (see December 2, 2001) will determine that some of this pay-off money ended up funding al-Qaeda. [Associated Press, 3/7/2002]

After September 1996: Journalist Sees US and Taliban Combating Russia over Central Asian Pipeline Issue

Ahmed Rashid.Ahmed Rashid. [Source: Jane Scherr/ University of California, Berkeley]Ahmed Rashid, correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review and The Daily Telegraph, conducts extensive investigative research in Afghanistan after the Taliban conquest of Kabul. As he will later write in his 2000 book, Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia, he sees a “massive regional polarization between the USA, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the Taliban on one side and Iran, Russia, the Central Asian states and the anti-Taliban alliance on the other. While some focused on whether there was a revival of the old CIA-ISI connection from the Afghan jihad era, it became apparent to me that the strategy over pipelines had become the driving force behind Washington’s interest in the Taliban, which in turn was prompting a counter-reaction from Russia and Iran. But exploring this was like entering a labyrinth, where nobody spoke the truth or divulged their real motives or interests. It was the job of a detective rather than a journalist because there were few clues. Even gaining access to the real players in the game was difficult, because policy was not being driven by politicians and diplomats, but by the secretive oil companies and intelligence services of the regional states.” [Rashid, 2001, pp. 163]

December 1997: Unocal Establishes Pipeline Training Facility Near Bin Laden’s Compound

Thomas Gouttierre.Thomas Gouttierre. [Source: University of Nebraska]Unocal pays University of Nebraska $900,000 to set up a training facility near Osama bin Laden’s Kandahar compound, to train 400 Afghan teachers, electricians, carpenters and pipe fitters in anticipation of using them for their pipeline in Afghanistan. One hundred and fifty students are already attending classes in southern Afghanistan. Unocal is playing University of Nebraska professor Thomas Gouttierre to develop the training program. Gouttierre travels to Afghanistan and meets with Taliban leaders, and also arranges for some Taliban leaders to visit the US around this time (see December 4, 1997). [Daily Telegraph, 12/14/1997; Coll, 2004, pp. 364] It will later be revealed that the CIA paid Gouttierre to head a program at the University of Nebraska that created textbooks for Afghanistan promoting violence and jihad (see 1984-1994). Gouttierre will continue to work with the Taliban after Unocal officially cuts off ties with them. For instance, he will host some Taliban leaders visiting the US in 1999 (see July-August 1999).

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December 4, 1997: Taliban Representatives Visit Unocal in Texas

Taliban representatives in Texas, 1997.​

Taliban representatives in Texas, 1997.Taliban representatives in Texas, 1997. [Source: Lions Gate Films]Representatives of the Taliban are invited guests to the Texas headquarters of Unocal to negotiate their support for the pipeline. Future President George W. Bush is Governor of Texas at the time. The Taliban appear to agree to a $2 billion pipeline deal, but will do the deal only if the US officially recognizes the Taliban regime. The Taliban meet with US officials. According to the Daily Telegraph, “the US government, which in the past has branded the Taliban’s policies against women and children ‘despicable,’ appears anxious to please the fundamentalists to clinch the lucrative pipeline contract.” A BBC regional correspondent says that “the proposal to build a pipeline across Afghanistan is part of an international scramble to profit from developing the rich energy resources of the Caspian Sea.” [BBC, 12/4/1997; Daily Telegraph, 12/14/1997] It has been claimed that the Taliban meet with Enron officials while in Texas (see 1996-September 11, 2001). Enron, headquartered in Texas, has an large financial interest in the pipeline at the time (see June 24, 1996). The Taliban also visit Thomas Gouttierre, an academic at the University of Nebraska, who is a consultant for Unocal and also has been paid by the CIA for his work in Afghanistan (see 1984-1994 and December 1997). Gouttierre takes them on a visit to Mt. Rushmore. [Dreyfuss, 2005, pp. 328-329]

You should see a pattern here, Unocol, Enron, Buch, ISI, CIA and the Taliban.

Look close enough and you will see what goes on in this world.

 

[ice_man]

all those conducted sucide attacks either dead , caught alive or were conspiring (very of those) are sunni Pakistanis , i am not picking up on a sect neither but trying to make a point i also think these morons have never attacked a sunni mosque either ...



As regard the killing of the minorities is concerned, Islam and the constitution of Pakistan provide the guarantees for the safety and security of its minority.

yup point valid! all our SUNNI PAKISTANIS! BUT what is a sunni??
deobandi,baralwi,wahabi or salafi????

and are you putting everything on sunnis now?

 

[ek_indian]

Few things are evident according here:

(1) The same USA+Israel+India+NATO+UK+France+X+Y... are after Pakistan.
And this list keep growing.

(2) These same terrorist have not only attacked Pakistan but other nations as well whenever they get a chance. They are still trying their best. If someone believes they are inside job, it is useless to convince him/her.

(3) Pakistan is clearly overestimating itself. You are indeed a nuclear power but this is not causing sleepless night. Other nations has other priorities as well.

(4) Whatever the school of thought is, not a single proof is here against any nation. But it is well established the center for these is tribal region of Pakistan.

I looked for something substancial but I am disappointed.

 

[Tiger Prowling]

When u adopt some one else's war as ur own, dont expect flower's instead of body bags.

We chose the side of US, now we should share the body bags also.

When u put ur foot in some one else's bizness, be prepared to deal with the concequenses.

How many pakistani's died, before we joined the war on so called terror.

You talk of Ideology or conspiracy, I say Monumental judgemental blunder to say the least.

 

[Stumper]

some sections of ISI indeen create taliban with the help of CIA,

Well, technically speaking, Taliban existed, long before it took to ISI's fancy. ISI was indeed its major supporter ... but NO, they did not create it.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

When u adopt some one else's war as ur own, dont expect flower's instead of body bags.

We chose the side of US, now we should share the body bags also.

When u put ur foot in some one else's bizness, be prepared to deal with the concequenses.

How many pakistani's died, before we joined the war on so called terror.

You talk of Ideology or conspiracy, I say Monumental judgemental blunder to say the least.

but are still in a confusion wether its our war or not, there's no point in talking who's war it is? the very fact is that we are getting most affected by Terrorism & we have to win this war NOW(whether its our or not thats not the question)

we need to get out of denial & identify the problem

 

[pak-marine]

and are you putting everything on sunnis now? ::

this time highlighted in red font + bold , hope this will you read what i said.
all those conducted sucide attacks either dead , caught alive or were conspiring (very of those) are sunni Pakistanis , i am not picking up on a sect neither but trying to make a point here

 

[seekers]

Few things are evident according here:

(1) The same USA+Israel+India+NATO+UK+France+X+Y... are after Pakistan.
And this list keep growing.

(2) These same terrorist have not only attacked Pakistan but other nations as well whenever they get a chance. They are still trying their best. If someone believes they are inside job, it is useless to convince him/her.

(3) Pakistan is clearly overestimating itself. You are indeed a nuclear power but this is not causing sleepless night. Other nations has other priorities as well.

(4) Whatever the school of thought is, not a single proof is here against any nation. But it is well established the center for these is tribal region of Pakistan.

I looked for something substancial but I am disappointed.

Yes! Pakistan and India have just waste money and time on nukes.Make Nuclear Pakistani are sleepless and millions of Nuclear Indians sleep on footpath.
Both have not work in nuclear tech. for well being of nation in 40 years.

I am agree with Dr. Hood Bhai Thoughts.

 

[ek_indian]

^^^

If you can not understand my post. It is not my fault.

 

[Dr.Evil]

Terrorism is not a Idealogy definitely not a conspiracy, but a Disease afflicting sick minds. & its being propagated by more sick men.