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An Indian man burns a photograph of Chinese president Xi Jinping during a protest against China in Ahmedabad, India, on Tuesday.THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

DOZENS OF TROOPS FROM India and China were reportedly killed in a dispute along a contested area of their shared border – the first bloody clash between the two countries in decades and an event with the potential to spark even more violence.

Chinese state media described the incident Monday night in the Galwan River valley where both countries have deployed troops in recent weeks as "the most serious clash between Chinese and Indian soldiers so far," confirming casualties but offering no further details about them. Indian government sources speaking on the condition of anonymity told The Times of India that 20 Indian army personnel had died in the fighting.

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

The sources who spoke with the Times said 43 Chinese troops died in the fighting.

Tensions have mounted in recent weeks around the area spanning in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin.

The border dispute comes at a time of shifting influence in the region. Beijing has become increasingly bold in its territorial ambitions in recent months, including in the East and South China seas, with U.S. officials saying it has successfully exploited global unrest from the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. At the same time India has enjoyed new and outsized support from the U.S. under the Trump administration, which sees India as a principal battleground for its own economic rivalry with China.

In an editorial in the semi-official Global Times, China said the tensions were caused by "arrogance and recklessness of the Indian side" and that officials there believed "their country's military is more powerful than China's." However the main focus of Beijing's ire was clear.


"The U.S. has wooed India with its Indo-Pacific Strategy, which adds to the abovementioned misjudgment of some Indian elite," according to the outlet, which is not a direct mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party but is considered aligned with its views. "New Delhi must be clear that the resources that the U.S. would invest in China-India relations are limited. What the U.S. would do is just extend a lever to India, which Washington can exploit to worsen India's ties with China, and make India dedicate itself to serving Washington's interests."

The Times of India documented harsh conditions at the site of the fighting in the mountainous region, including sub-freezing temperatures and high altitudes. The government there has claimed the face-off "was the result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo of the region," the Times reported. It also cited a statement from a Chinese military spokesperson who reportedly said, "China always owns sovereignty over the Galwan Valley region."

Troops from the two countries last clashed in 1975, when four Indian soldiers died during an ambush in the Arunachal Pradesh region of northeast India.

The U.S. government had not publicly commented on the skirmish as of Tuesday afternoon.

Trump visited India in February, further strengthening already close ties with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The Trump administration has dramatically ramped up relations with New Delhi, including growing its trade relations and shifting its military policy. The U.S. in 2018 renamed its combatant command for the area "Indo-Pacific Command" – considered a break from prior administrations attempts to balance relations with India with its regional rivals, including Pakistan.


Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security

Paul Shinkman is a national security correspondent. He joined U.S. News & World Report in 2012 ... READ MORE

Tags: India, China, world news

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades
 
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India is by no way a power, a powerless maybe
The boast about their so called regional dominance and influence but clearly THE WORLD IS ON CHINA'S SIDE ESPECIALLY ALL OF INDIA'S NEIGHBORS.

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An Indian man burns a photograph of Chinese president Xi Jinping during a protest against China in Ahmedabad, India, on Tuesday.THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

DOZENS OF TROOPS FROM India and China were reportedly killed in a dispute along a contested area of their shared border – the first bloody clash between the two countries in decades and an event with the potential to spark even more violence.

Chinese state media described the incident Monday night in the Galwan River valley where both countries have deployed troops in recent weeks as "the most serious clash between Chinese and Indian soldiers so far," confirming casualties but offering no further details about them. Indian government sources speaking on the condition of anonymity told The Times of India that 20 Indian army personnel had died in the fighting.

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

The sources who spoke with the Times said 43 Chinese troops died in the fighting.

Tensions have mounted in recent weeks around the area spanning in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin.

The border dispute comes at a time of shifting influence in the region. Beijing has become increasingly bold in its territorial ambitions in recent months, including in the East and South China seas, with U.S. officials saying it has successfully exploited global unrest from the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. At the same time India has enjoyed new and outsized support from the U.S. under the Trump administration, which sees India as a principal battleground for its own economic rivalry with China.

In an editorial in the semi-official Global Times, China said the tensions were caused by "arrogance and recklessness of the Indian side" and that officials there believed "their country's military is more powerful than China's." However the main focus of Beijing's ire was clear.


"The U.S. has wooed India with its Indo-Pacific Strategy, which adds to the abovementioned misjudgment of some Indian elite," according to the outlet, which is not a direct mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party but is considered aligned with its views. "New Delhi must be clear that the resources that the U.S. would invest in China-India relations are limited. What the U.S. would do is just extend a lever to India, which Washington can exploit to worsen India's ties with China, and make India dedicate itself to serving Washington's interests."

The Times of India documented harsh conditions at the site of the fighting in the mountainous region, including sub-freezing temperatures and high altitudes. The government there has claimed the face-off "was the result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo of the region," the Times reported. It also cited a statement from a Chinese military spokesperson who reportedly said, "China always owns sovereignty over the Galwan Valley region."

Troops from the two countries last clashed in 1975, when four Indian soldiers died during an ambush in the Arunachal Pradesh region of northeast India.

The U.S. government had not publicly commented on the skirmish as of Tuesday afternoon.

Trump visited India in February, further strengthening already close ties with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The Trump administration has dramatically ramped up relations with New Delhi, including growing its trade relations and shifting its military policy. The U.S. in 2018 renamed its combatant command for the area "Indo-Pacific Command" – considered a break from prior administrations attempts to balance relations with India with its regional rivals, including Pakistan.


Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security

Paul Shinkman is a national security correspondent. He joined U.S. News & World Report in 2012 ... READ MORE

Tags: India, China, world news

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades
Why are they burning a racket? :lol:
 
[QUOTE="Mugwop, post: 12442416, member:

Why are they burning a racket? :lol:[/QUOTE]

Because its made in China, like the whole of india...they should burn down the whole of india because except for the people everything is made in China there
 
At Least 20 Indian Soldiers Killed in Ladakh Skirmish With China, Source Says
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Earlier in the day, the Indian Army said in a statement that one officer and two soldiers from India were killed during clashes on the border with China in the Ladakh region.

A top official in the Indian Army told Sputnik on Tuesday that the number of casualties on the part of India has increased to at least 20 soldiers following a skirmish with Chinese troops.

"Indian and Chinese troops have disengaged at the Galwan area where they had earlier clashed on the night of 15/16 June 2020. 17 Indian troops who were critically injured at the Line of Actual Control and exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain have succumbed to their injuries, taking the total number of people being killed to 20. Indian Army is firmly committed to protecting the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the nation", the official stated.
The source went on to say that more than 130 Indian soldiers have received injuries, while the number of casualties may go up further.

The Indian army said in a statement earlier in the day that one officer and two soldiers from India were killed during clashes on the border with China in the Ladakh region and the two countries' senior military officials were holding talks to defuse the situation.

Beijing has reacted to the fresh escalation in the border area by accusing the Indian military of crossing the border at the Galwan Valley and provoking clashes by attacking Chinese forces. The Chinese Foreign Ministry has lodged a protest and made representations to New Delhi.

Since the two neighbouring countries do not have a marked border but rather the Line of Actual Control, which was created after the 1962 war between the nations, numerous border conflicts have taken place over the decades.




© AFP 2020 / TENGKU BAHAR
Beijing Accuses India of Violating Border After Three Indian Soldiers Killed in Ladakh Face-Off
Border tensions between India and China flared up in May, leaving dozens of soldiers injured on both sides.


On June 6, Lt. Gen. Harinder Singh, the commander of the Indian army's 14th corps, met with Maj. Gen. Lin Liu of China's People's Liberation Army group in the South Xinjiang Military Region, to discuss the situation.

According to the Indian Foreign Ministry, the sides agreed to settle the matters at the border by peaceful means and continue military and diplomatic contacts.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/202006...ed-in-ladakh-skirmish-with-china-source-says/
 
protests are done by weak ,chinese are not protesting against india but are giving military response
 
The boast about their so called regional dominance and influence but clearly THE WORLD IS ON CHINA'S SIDE ESPECIALLY ALL OF INDIA'S NEIGHBORS.


Why are they burning a racket? :lol:

It is always a pleasure to hear the voice of reason and of realistic reporting of world opinion compressed into one pithy sentence.

As for the racket, possibly the individual does not speak English as a first language, and was making a slightly confused protest against corruption and against gangs. He does not seem to be comfortable with drawing cartoons on line to demolish opposition, and is to be pitied, not condemned.

"Mugwop, post: 12442416, member:

Why are they burning a racket? :lol:

Because its made in China, like the whole of india...they should burn down the whole of india because except for the people everything is made in China there

This is the first time in decades that this atheist has knelt in prayer.

It is a matter for thankful acknowledgement that you have not yet gone to the point of stating that even the people are 'made' in China. No doubt that is reserved for the follow-up by your cavalry after you have broken the ranks of the enemy.

so silly. burning rackets?

Very silly, and a strategic blunder.

They could be reinforcing the shafts with steel rods and using it in lieu of gunpowder related weapons.

At Least 20 Indian Soldiers Killed in Ladakh Skirmish With China, Source Says
© REUTERS / Stringer
ASIA & PACIFIC
16:28 GMT 16.06.2020(updated 17:08 GMT 16.06.2020)Get short URL
253822
Subscribe
Earlier in the day, the Indian Army said in a statement that one officer and two soldiers from India were killed during clashes on the border with China in the Ladakh region.

A top official in the Indian Army told Sputnik on Tuesday that the number of casualties on the part of India has increased to at least 20 soldiers following a skirmish with Chinese troops.

"Indian and Chinese troops have disengaged at the Galwan area where they had earlier clashed on the night of 15/16 June 2020. 17 Indian troops who were critically injured at the Line of Actual Control and exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain have succumbed to their injuries, taking the total number of people being killed to 20. Indian Army is firmly committed to protecting the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the nation", the official stated.
The source went on to say that more than 130 Indian soldiers have received injuries, while the number of casualties may go up further.

The Indian army said in a statement earlier in the day that one officer and two soldiers from India were killed during clashes on the border with China in the Ladakh region and the two countries' senior military officials were holding talks to defuse the situation.

Beijing has reacted to the fresh escalation in the border area by accusing the Indian military of crossing the border at the Galwan Valley and provoking clashes by attacking Chinese forces. The Chinese Foreign Ministry has lodged a protest and made representations to New Delhi.

Since the two neighbouring countries do not have a marked border but rather the Line of Actual Control, which was created after the 1962 war between the nations, numerous border conflicts have taken place over the decades.




© AFP 2020 / TENGKU BAHAR
Beijing Accuses India of Violating Border After Three Indian Soldiers Killed in Ladakh Face-Off
Border tensions between India and China flared up in May, leaving dozens of soldiers injured on both sides.


On June 6, Lt. Gen. Harinder Singh, the commander of the Indian army's 14th corps, met with Maj. Gen. Lin Liu of China's People's Liberation Army group in the South Xinjiang Military Region, to discuss the situation.

According to the Indian Foreign Ministry, the sides agreed to settle the matters at the border by peaceful means and continue military and diplomatic contacts.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/202006...ed-in-ladakh-skirmish-with-china-source-says/

And one brave nation continues the battle of the citations.

protests are done by weak ,chinese are not protesting against india but are giving military response

Are posts on PDF protests, or do they get classified as military response? Just curious.
 
It is always a pleasure to hear the voice of reason and of realistic reporting of world opinion compressed into one pithy sentence.

As for the racket, possibly the individual does not speak English as a first language, and was making a slightly confused protest against corruption and against gangs. He does not seem to be comfortable with drawing cartoons on line to demolish opposition, and is to be pitied, not condemned.



This is the first time in decades that this atheist has knelt in prayer.

It is a matter for thankful acknowledgement that you have not yet gone to the point of stating that even the people are 'made' in China. No doubt that is reserved for the follow-up by your cavalry after you have broken the ranks of the enemy.



Very silly, and a strategic blunder.

They could be reinforcing the shafts with steel rods and using it in lieu of gunpowder related weapons.



And one brave nation continues the battle of the citations.



Are posts on PDF protests, or do they get classified as military response? Just curious.
It is always a pleasure to hear the voice of reason and of realistic reporting of world opinion compressed into one pithy sentence.

As for the racket, possibly the individual does not speak English as a first language, and was making a slightly confused protest against corruption and against gangs. He does not seem to be comfortable with drawing cartoons on line to demolish opposition, and is to be pitied, not condemned.



This is the first time in decades that this atheist has knelt in prayer.

It is a matter for thankful acknowledgement that you have not yet gone to the point of stating that even the people are 'made' in China. No doubt that is reserved for the follow-up by your cavalry after you have broken the ranks of the enemy.



Very silly, and a strategic blunder.

They could be reinforcing the shafts with steel rods and using it in lieu of gunpowder related weapons.



And one brave nation continues the battle of the citations.



Are posts on PDF protests, or do they get classified as military response? Just curious.
Haha good one sir.
 
We are playing doubles today, apparently. You have cited the post twice. ;)
Actually we have too many guests from across the border and the traffic is making the page freeze at times. I clicked the quote option twice perhaps plus the night shift has taken its toll on me too. Need to doze off a little, the banter is exciting but it can wait. Always looking forward to your expert input though. :-)
 
Actually we have too many guests from across the border and the traffic is making the page freeze at times. I clicked the quote option twice perhaps plus the night shift has taken its toll on me too. Need to doze off a little, the banter is exciting but it can wait. Always looking forward to your expert input though. :-)

Do remind me when you wake up; I shall perform faithfully for your titillation. :p:

Least I can do for that rare member with a sense of humour.

They should burn there clothes, shoes and cellphones because most of em are Chinese made..... [emoji38]

NO.

And go around without clothes?

You pervert!

WHERE ARE THE MODS WHEN YOU REALLY NEED THEM?
 

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