Telling it like it is to Pakistan

[r3alist]

indians will have a lot to lose if americans leave, they need their umbrella - so understandable reaction

 

[BATMAN]

How about combined-arms, an allied offensive? I understand Pakistanis are rightfully prickly about sovereignty... what if U.S. and Pakistani ground forces totally joined together (not at a unit level, but coordinating efforts intimately) to root out both Afghani Taliban and TTP inside Pakistan?

It's not like Afghanistan is a U.S. solo effort. Forces from many nations cooperate there.

How about handing it over to UN troops?
How about leaving Afghanistan to troops from states sharing borders?

 

[Bang Galore]

How about leaving Afghanistan to troops from states sharing borders?

Yeah right! That would work!

 

[Aeon]

I've got a new theory for you, we can also view this US indulgence of Pakistan branded a non-NATO ally as a perfect ruse of a psy-ops to keep Pakistan from interfering in India or Kashmir, so that US can prop a undisturbed India against China. See, what I did there?

I thought Indians weren't into conspiracy theories...

US and NATO stabilized Iraq, without even as much as talking to Iran - a huge country which had much more stake in post-Saddam Iraq than Pakistan had in even Taliban ruled Afghanistan. Take a hint.

Interesting.

 

[BATMAN]

Yeag right! That would work!

Afghanistan is beyond NATOS defined scope. Hence every passing day they are violating the UN regulations.

US attacked Afghanistan in hunt for OBL.
While they keep saying them self OBL is in Pakistan not in Afghanistan.
They either have no morale grounds to be in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is used by Indians to smuggle explosives and terrorists into Pakistan.... so Pakistan have all the right to ask for expulsion of Indians.

 

[Developereo]

Isnt that the most popularly held belief in Pakistan? "wait till the US leaves Afghanistan, then we will do what we do..."

I don't know about 'most' popular; there are all sorts of views in the public media. Given the geographical realities, only the most naive people would believe that the US will fully exit Afghanistan any time soon, and the Pakistani security establishment is not naive, to put it mildly.

 

[roach]

The last time Afghanistan had a 'Pakistan-friendly' regime, what happened?

The country descended into a medieval quasi-religious morass, governed by you best (former) friends. A black hole where freedom meant nothing, women were treated worse than cattle and historic religious monuments were blown up with tanks.

The last time Pakistan had a chance, it messed it up REAL bad. Afghanistan became the Worst Place On Earth, a place where terrorists could roam free and proud.

So are you trying to say that you've turned a new leaf just because uncle Sam threatened you with bombing you back into the stone age, you turned your back on your Taliban friends and now you See The Light?

A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. Till the Pakistani establishment realizes that, and more importantly, the world SEES that you realize that,,,,,,,,,,,,

Nobody will take what the Pakistani establishment says seriously.

 

[Icarus]

The last time Afghanistan had a 'Pakistan-friendly' regime, what happened?

The country descended into a medieval quasi-religious morass, governed by you best (former) friends. A black hole where freedom meant nothing, women were treated worse than cattle and historic religious monuments were blown up with tanks.

The last time Pakistan had a chance, it messed it up REAL bad. Afghanistan became the Worst Place On Earth, a place where terrorists could roam free and proud.

So are you trying to say that you've turned a new leaf just because uncle Sam threatened you with bombing you back into the stone age, you turned your back on your Taliban friends and now you See The Light?

A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. Till the Pakistani establishment realizes that, and more importantly, the world SEES that you realize that,,,,,,,,,,,,

Nobody will take what the Pakistani establishment says seriously.

You are seriously mistaken, last time we had a chance to help Afghanistan, we were facing sanctions from much of the modern world and with more than 5.6 million(registered) Afghan refugees inside our borders and many more streaming in as a consequence of civil war, we had to look for a quick fix. The quick fix was to help a faction regain control and set the country right. That's what we did, the repercussions of that quick fix, we continue to face even today. But, at the moment, there was little else we could do.
And contrary to what you say, even though not much happens when the government says something, our military is another story......when they speak, the world listens, whether they like it or not...........

 

[Chogy]

How about handing it over to UN troops?
How about leaving Afghanistan to troops from states sharing borders?

How about Afghanistan not giving succor and support to those who kill us by the thousands?

U.N. troops? Laughable. A high-school ROTC program is more threatening than the U.N., an essentially toothless entity.

If Afganistan-based TTP-like terrorists launched an attack on Islamabad that killed thousands, what would you want Pakistan to do? Sit back, and cry? Or destroy the snakes that did such a thing?

If the latter, you'd be, as a nation.... in Afghanistan.

 

[Icarus]

How about Afghanistan not giving succor and support to those who kill us by the thousands?

U.N. troops? Laughable. A high-school ROTC program is more threatening than the U.N., an essentially toothless entity.

If Afganistan-based TTP-like terrorists launched an attack on Islamabad that killed thousands, what would you want Pakistan to do? Sit back, and cry? Or destroy the snakes that did such a thing?

If the latter, you'd be, as a nation.... in Afghanistan.

I don't completely agree with the notion that UN forces are completely harmless. They are after all soldiers from their respective countries, and we have seen them step away from their neutral position in various conflicts to protect themselves or their comrades.
Pakistan and America in Somalia
Britain and Kenya in Sierra Leone are good examples...........

 

[BATMAN]

How about Afghanistan not giving succor and support to those who kill us by the thousands?

U.N. troops? Laughable. A high-school ROTC program is more threatening than the U.N., an essentially toothless entity.

If Afganistan-based TTP-like terrorists launched an attack on Islamabad that killed thousands, what would you want Pakistan to do? Sit back, and cry? Or destroy the snakes that did such a thing?

If the latter, you'd be, as a nation.... in Afghanistan.

What's the use of UN than?
UN army is from various nations and they are usually professional soldiers.
TTP is already attacking Pakistan every nook and corner since last 4 years, current regime is doin gnothing beyond sitting back and crying.
Principally, Afghan diplomats should have been asked for explanation.
I'm not sure of the message from your last (bolded) sentence.

 

[Chogy]

I probably exaggerated on the toothlessness of the U.N., but as an entity that is truly willing to use force, it lacks credibility. U.N. troops are fragmented by nation, cooperate poorly, and in general, the sight of a handful of soldiers in powder-blue helmets does little to dissuade hardened combatants.

At the first sign of a truly powerful enemy, the result is more likely to be withdrawal rather than engagement. The U.N. is supposed to be a diplomatic resource, not a military force.

But the main thrust of my post was ignored.

If Afganistan-based TTP-like terrorists launched an attack on Islamabad that killed thousands, what would you want Pakistan to do?

If such an attack happened, Pakistan would violently attack Afghanistan. We all know it. And I'd be in favor of it.

 

[muse]

Shaheed e Millat, Liaqat Ali Khan, assassinated by an Afghan - did Pakistan launch a war against Afghanistan?

Then there are claims that Afghanistan launched a war that killed thousands - is this claim factual, did Afghanistan launch any such hostility?? While it's true that Al-Qaida did, the Afghan Islamic Emirate government did not.

 

[Chogy]

Without digging up the dozens of conspiracy theories, the entity that executed 9-11 was OBL, Al-Quaeda, and supported fully by the Afghan Taliban. The U.S. forces went to where the perpetrator was.

I don't want to rehash the "why" of the 2001 invasion. I wanted people to ponder "what would my nation have done if it was on the receiving end of such a massive attack?" And no, an assassination doesn't count. There were dozens of Al-Quaeda attacks on U.S. assets prior to 9/11 that did not result in a powerful military response. Probably a mistake on our part. We showed too much restraint in the 1990's.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Who knows even Afghanistan might have had WMDs like bombed to hell Iraqq?