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tejas take on jf 17,,,have a fair comparision

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ADITYA MAYUKH

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now since tejas had been alloted ioc and is being inducted in IAF and jf17 is there for some time now we are taking them in a comparision with support from their air force and 1 on 1 as well
 
now since tejas had been alloted ioc and is being inducted in IAF and jf17 is there for some time now we are taking them in a comparision with support from their air force and 1 on 1 as well

There will be no fair comparison going to happen in this thread .

This will turn a troll thread in few hours .
 
To further steer the discussion on the right track someone should do a sheet comparision of the two planes.

Range:
Hardpoints:
Induction date:
Thrust:
ETC ETC:

That way some trolling can be curtailed instead of writing two lines and open a slug fest.
 
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.40 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 38.4 m² (413 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,500 kg (14,300 lb)
Loaded weight: 9,500 kg[127] (20,944 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,200 kg[127] (29,100 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × F404-GE-IN20 turbofan
Dry thrust: 53.9 kN[130] (12,100 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 89.8 kN (20,200 lbf[131])
Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg
External fuel capacity: 2 x 1,200 litre drop tank at inboard, 1 x 725-litre drop tank under fuselage
Performance
Maximum speed: Tested up to Mach 1.6 (1,350 km/h) (CAS) at high altitude[127]
Range: 850 km[132] (459 nmi, 528 mi)
Combat radius: 300 km[132] (162 nmi, 186 mi)
Ferry range: 3,000 km[82] (1,840 mi)
Service ceiling: 15,000 m[127] (49,200 ft)
Wing loading: 247 kg/m² (50.7 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.07[127]
g-limits: +8/−3.5 g[127]
Armament

Guns: 1× mounted 23 mm twin-barrel GSh-23 cannon with 220 rounds of ammunition.
Hardpoints: 8 total: 1× beneath the port-side intake trunk for targeting pods, 6× under-wing, and 1× under-fuselage with a capacity of 4,200 kg external fuel and ordnance
Missiles:
HAL Tejas carrying R-73 missile and Drop Tank.
Tejas weapon display Aero India 2011
Air-to-air missiles:
Python 5
Derby[136]
Astra
Vympel R-77
Vympel R-73
Air-to-surface missiles:
Kh-59ME (TV guided standoff Missile)
Kh-59MK (Laser guided standoff Missile)
Anti-ship missiles
Kh-35
Kh-31
Bombs:
[133]
KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
GBU-16 Paveway II
FAB-250
ODAB-500PM fuel-air explosives
ZAB-250/350 incendiary bombs
BetAB-500Shp powered concrete-piercing bombs
FAB-500T dumb bombs
OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
OFAB-100-120 dumb bombs
RBK-500 cluster bomb stake
Others:[133]
S-8 rocket pods
Bofors 135 mm rocket
Drop tanks for ferry flight/extended range/loitering time.
LITENING targeting pod[134][135]
 
Should do more like.

LCA JF17

Range:
Hardpoints:
Induction date:
Thrust:
ETC ETC:

The simpler the better. Easier things grab more attention.

Well the chart will have to be made on something else cause its not working here.
 
Specifications (JF-17 Block 1)Edit
External images The glass cockpit of the JF-17, as shown by a JF-17 simulator on display at the MAKS 2007 air show.
The three multi-function displays in different modes.
A mock-up showing the entire cockpit, including banks of switches and instruments to the left and right of the pilot.
A mock-up of the initial cockpit design which incorporated two CRT displays and several analogue instruments.[142]
Another view of the initial cockpit mock-up.
Data from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex[143]
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 14.93 m (49 ft[143])
Wingspan: 9.45 m (31 ft, including 2 wingtip missiles[143])
Height: 4.72 m (15 ft 6 in[143])
Wing area: 24.4 m²[144] (263 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,586 kg (14,520 lb[143])
Loaded weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
Useful load: 3000 kg (6600 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 12,383 kg (27,300 lb[143])
Powerplant: 1 × Klimov RD-93
Dry thrust: 49.4 kN[17] / 51.2 kN (11,106 lbf / 11,510 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 84.5 kN (19,000 lbf[143])
G-limit: +8 g / -3 g[143]
Internal Fuel Capacity: 2,300 kg (5,130 lb[143])
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.6[145]
Combat radius: 1,352 km[17] (840 mi)
Ferry range: 3,482 km (1,880 NM[143])
Service ceiling: 16,920 m (55,500 ft[143])
Thrust/weight: 0.95 [143]
Armament

Guns: 1× 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon (can be replaced with 30 mm GSh-30-2)
Hardpoints: 7 in total (4× under-wing, 2× wing-tip, 1× under-fuselage; pylon stations number 3, 4 and 5 are wet-plumb capable) with a capacity of 3,629 kg (8,001 lb) for external fuel and ordnance
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
MAA-1 Piranha (Short-range)[147]
AIM-9L/M (Short-range)
PL-5EII (Short-range)[148]
PL-9C (Short-range)
PL-12 / SD-10 (Beyond visual range)[148]
Air-to-surface missiles:
MAR-1 (Anti-radiation missile) - Planned.[93][149]
C-802A (Anti-ship missiles)[73][148]
C-803 (Anti-ship missiles)
CM-400AKG (Hypersonic Anti-ship missiles)[150]
Ra'ad ALCM (Nuclear capable Stealth Cruise missile)[151]
Bombs:
Unguided bombs:
Mk-82 (general purpose bomb)
Mk-84 (general purpose bomb)
Matra Durandal (anti-runway bomb)
CBU-100/Mk-20 Rockeye (anti-armour cluster bomb)
Precision guided munitions (PGM):
GBU-10 (Laser-guided)
GBU-12 (Laser-guided)
LT-2 (Laser-guided)
H-2 (electro-optically guided)
H-4 (electro-optically guided)[4]
LS-6[disambiguation needed] (satellite-guided glide bombs)[146]
Satellite-guided bombs[4]
Others:
Countermeasures (Flares, Chaff)
Up to 3 external drop tanks (2× under-wing 1,100 litres (240 imp gal; 290 US gal), 1× under-fuselage 800 litres (180 imp gal; 210 US gal)) for extended range/loitering time

Better pilots win. ;)
but aircraft too matters
 
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what to compare...
LCA is years ahead of Jf 17.....
they have different roles in their respective airforce.....
 
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well first thing the LCA wieght is 5680 Kgs not 6500 (it was in intial prototype & with all the testing gagetarry)+ it has 45%+ composites in its over all wieght while more than 90% in its skin while its wings are 100% composite making them very strong and light wieght onli issue is drag deu to extra large wings but that can be cured

secondlli it has a very good range for a fighter of its size and carries a very potent sting

so in short LCA is very leathel fighter with GE 404 engine & MK2 will have a GE414 (as in latest hornets) & an israeli radar and indian mission computers and avioniks & british inflight refuling probe and ejektionseat +7 hard points for wepons & extarnal feul tanks + 1 for pods and all the very best techs from round the globe

but JKF17 is a chinese fighter which is assembelled in pakistan with all chinese radars , avioniks & wepons but a smokey russian engine which is known for its trouble some maintainence record
 
so in short LCA is very leathel fighter with GE 404 engine & MK2 will have a GE414 (as in latest hornets) & an israeli radar and indian mission computers and avioniks & british inflight refuling probe and ejektionseat +7 hard points for wepons & extarnal feul tanks + 1 for pods and all the very best techs from round the globe


Radar is not not israeli but Indian with Israeli computer. It is an awesome RADAR with a capability to Guide > 100 KM range BVR.
 
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