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Tejas : Story of a pie in the sky.

It started from Zero industrial base sir!
Sorry, not a credible excuse.

Looky here...We are not talking about Henry Ford going from the Model-T to a Rolls Royce level engineering. If India felt she was capable of an indigenous combat aircraft, then India have a 'non-zero' industrial base.

How ever, there were huge delays, mainly due to project handling, govt. company attitudes, change in customer requirements & the sanctions due to Nuke tests.
Like it or not, those are kind words for mismanagement, inefficiency, and perhaps even corruption.
 
Sorry, not a credible excuse.

Looky here...We are not talking about Henry Ford going from the Model-T to a Rolls Royce level engineering. If India felt she was capable of an indigenous combat aircraft, then India have a 'non-zero' industrial base.


Like it or not, those are kind words for mismanagement, inefficiency, and perhaps even corruption.

You are missing the point. The idea was to create an aviation industry ecosystem from scratch.

Nobody is denying mismanagement, inefficiency and definitely corruption too.

Just to give you a glaring example, as soon as India ordered 100 plus Tejas recently, there were many many articles (not unlike the one the admin managed to find in a blog) in mainstream papers talking about how Rafale is better and we should have ordered those.

You as an expert should know that Rafale is a different class of aircraft and both roles are envisaged in our doctrine and LCA role was that of a light weight point interceptor. ordering or not ordering one has nothing to do with the other. Then who published all those misleading articles? There is a lobby in place spending millions to scuttle the project as there are billions to be made in imports.
 
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Sorry, not a credible excuse.

Looky here...We are not talking about Henry Ford going from the Model-T to a Rolls Royce level engineering. If India felt she was capable of an indigenous combat aircraft, then India have a 'non-zero' industrial base.

LCA program was intended to be a project fordeveloping the local industry
 
Will is a bad omen word for Tejas will word took 35 years of Tejas.
Will is something that helped us produce a Fighter jet with 60% plus Indigenous components... Will is something that helped us create a Aircraft manufacturing industry ... Will is a big word... not a hollow rhetoric to be used in forums by keyboard warriors.
 
Sorry, not a credible excuse.

Looky here...We are not talking about Henry Ford going from the Model-T to a Rolls Royce level engineering. If India felt she was capable of an indigenous combat aircraft, then India have a 'non-zero' industrial base.


Like it or not, those are kind words for mismanagement, inefficiency, and perhaps even corruption.

We have to start from somewhere to get combat air craft industry going in our own country. delays will be there. Not an excuse, but that's the truth-along with mismanagement(which includes going to USA for help and engine tests at the time when we knew of nuke test sanctions)
 
By the time we got our Independence US was 200 Year OLD. You took 20-25 years, we took 30 years not BAD..(its bad but not that bad) though I know it took long.
 
plus Indigenous components
Kindly explain it what indigenous components, few i know
Air frame (bad aerodynamics need serious changes)
Landing gear (Too heavy over worked for a small fighter and often develops snags)
Idiotic wiring for electronics put hurdle in replaceable parts while changing like batteries.
 
You are missing the point. The idea was to create an aviation industry ecosystem from scratch.
My personal opinion, and I will be as kind as possible, is that while the idea of an indigenous combat aviation program is commendable, and that it is difficult to bear the idea that one must import one's means of national defense, there are easier ways, in terms of technology and program management, to start such a program. Collaboration is usually the preferred path.

There is something called 'institutional inertia'. It basically mean that the longer an institution, a project, or a program is allowed to stagnate, resistance to changes increases. When there are a lot of money involved, unscrupulous people, from vendors to government officials, have a lot of vested interests in making sure that inertia remains.

Collaboration does not make the program immune from mismanagement, inefficiency, or corruption, but when there are multiple parties involved, especially when one of them have the necessary expertise, that expertise inevitably demands project/program goals and milestones and that they must be available for all to review.

Sorry, but while the idea is commendable, a single project that so far is 30 yrs in development should be scrapped. There must have been a lot of technological changes in those decades, must have had new program managers and overseers, must have had new government officials that are reasonably attentive and honest. Right ?
 
Kindly explain it what indigenous components, few i know
Air frame (bad aerodynamics need serious changes)
Landing gear (Too heavy over worked for a small fighter and often develops snags)
Idiotic wiring for electronics put hurdle in replaceable parts while changing like batteries.
You got this from where???

Some random video from a Guy who writes for Hilal???
 
Sorry, but while the idea is commendable, a single project that so far is 30 yrs in development should be scrapped. There must have been a lot of technological changes in those decades

How do you know for sure that technological changes were not implemented in Tejas ?
 
We have to start from somewhere to get combat air craft industry going in our own country. delays will be there. Not an excuse, but that's the truth-along with mismanagement(which includes going to USA for help and engine tests at the time when we knew of nuke test sanctions)
After 20 yrs, the program should be scrapped. Even a failed project can still offers lessons.
 

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