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Pakistan or other countries may not have much to learn from the wreckage of a "stealth" US helicopter used in the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound, a defense analyst said Monday.

The helicopter went down in a hard landing during last week's raid that killed bin Laden, and US Navy commandos destroyed the chopper before departing the residence in Abbottabad, north of Islamabad.

CIA Director Leon Panetta and other officials have said that Blackhawk helicopters were used in the operation but photographs of the wreckage have fueled intense speculation that the aircraft was altered -- or was an entirely new model -- to reduce noise and avoid detection by radar.

"The helicopter is a modified Blackhawk that is designed to maximize the chance for surprise in conducting special operations," said Loren Thompson, an aerospace analyst and head of the Lexington Institute.

But he said that the technology and design features to enable an aircraft to reduce noise and evade radar are not shrouded in secrecy.

Countries that examine the wreckage "will not learn much from the remnants of the exploded helicopter that were not already readily available in open literature," Thompson told AFP.

"The techniques of achieving low maneuverability, or stealth as it's popularly known, are fairly well understood."

Both professional and amateur aviation experts are poring over online photos of the damaged helicopter, which show a tail section with a different design than a standard MH-60 Blackhawk.

A helicopter with stealth features would have helped the American special forces' team avoid detection by the Pakistanis, who were not informed of the Bin Laden raid in advance.

The helicopter appears to have at least five blades in its tail rotor, instead of the four associated with the Blackhawk, which analysts said could possibly allow for a slower rotor speed to reduce noise.

A cover on the rotor, akin to a hubcap, can also be seen as well as harder edges in the design, similar to the lines on stealth fighter planes such as the F-117. The cover on the rotor and the design lines would presumably be aimed at circumventing radar, according to analysts.

"If you're going to try to disguise the location of the helicopter, the main thing you focus on is the noise generated by the rotors, the heat emitted by the engines, and the reflectivity of the skin and the rotors when a radar signal hits them," said Thompson, whose institute receives funding from defense firms.

The Pentagon declined to comment in any way on the secret helicopter.

"We are not talking about it," spokesman Colonel Dave Lapan told reporters on Monday.

Asked if US officials had asked their Pakistan counterparts to return the remnants of the helicopter to the United States, he said: "We're not discussing what we are doing with that helicopter and any discussion we may be having with the Pakistanis."
 
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The biggest lesson from the wreckage will be MATERIALS !

some thing we've been struggling with for a long time.
 
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It also proves how incompetent PAF and army is !!!!! scrambled jets huh they should scramble eggs this is the only thing they can do but I suspect they won't be very good at this either pride of the nation Hahn funny the nation of Pakistan will never forgive you
 
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It must be modified Black Hawk or some secret chopper. Anyway I don't think America have some kind of stealth chopper. It entered Pakistan just because of radars were offline and Pakistan army was inactive nothing else.
 
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A normal Blackhawk costs $20 million; these were $60 million apiece.

For the extra $40 million, you get a fifth blade on the tail rotor and a hub cap. Nothing special... :coffee:
 
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i think Pakistan and china can learn a lot more abt radar absorbing paints and high tech metallurgy from it
 
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Stealth technology itself is not a secret, even Pakistan has stealth fighter planes. However, the US is the first country that incorporated stealth technology onto a helicopter. The helicopter that fell down was the first stealth helicopter in the world.
 
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The materials technology on these choppers is likely to be the same or better than the one on F-22, so this is like getting your hands on a piece of the F-22 fuselage. Regardless of how good China's own J-20 is, they will want to know what makes an F-22 tick. The Americans are now left in a quandary: will China develop radar technologies to see their F-22 or not?

Was getting OBL worth compromising their F-22 stealth technology?
 
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The materials technology on these choppers is likely to be the same or better than the one on F-22, so this is like getting your hands on a piece of the F-22 fuselage. Regardless of how good China's own J-20 is, they will want to know what makes an F-22 tick. The Americans are now left in a quandary: will China develop radar technologies to see their F-22 or not?

Was getting OBL worth compromising their F-22 stealth technology?

Dear, material is not the most important thing. Most important thing is the structure of that aircraft.
 
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Dear, material is not the most important thing. Most important thing is the structure of that aircraft.

It's all inter-related. Most any country has high def photos of the F-22, so they can take a stab at the body shape. What was missing was the actual materials in the fuselage. Which China may now have with this wreckage.
 
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Pakistani military engineers have a relic in their hands, and the power and capability this will potentially provide is cutting edge. I wish the team the best and in few years perhaps a silent milestone will be reached.
 
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Stealth technology itself is not a secret, even Pakistan has stealth fighter planes.
Can you inform as which is that plane ?? That will be news for everybody.

However, the US is the first country that incorporated stealth technology onto a helicopter.
TRUE...:usflag:

The helicopter that fell down was the first stealth helicopter in the world.
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^^ Either he meant Pakistan and Guinea Bissau, or Salman 108 and his younger cousin Farooq
 
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I admire the spirit of finding an eureka moment even in total disparity.
The materials used in making these stealth modifications are already widely available, since stealth is not a new concept. Materials used in Fighter Jets and Helicopters aren't the same, since both are subject to different levels of force.

It is even likely that these black hawks were created specifically for this mission, and they were still prototypes which were more prone to technical snags.
 
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