Technocrat govt can't resolve Pakistan's issues: PM Abbasi

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

All governments are in essence run by technocrats. Just have a look at the developed countries.

Can anyone point out where high quality technocrats have not been crucial for analysis, policy development and policy deployment. Be it in finanance, economy, environment or law.

All governments need high quality technocrats to run and function smoothly.

Everyone is amazed with the Chinese Miracle...but no one sees who develped and implemented the policy.

The purpose of elected representatives is to oversee and cherry-pick policies which best serve the state and the people. No way on earth a politico can write policy. Not even in DC. Politicos talk.

The only reason a government exists is to safe guard the state and well being of its people. The quality of such a government (democratic or otherwise) determines the result. Rule of Law is the first and farmost condition.

As Sino-Pak Friend I would say that the Directed Democracy is the best/only solution at this point in time for Pak.

Given the infernal and rampant corruption in all spheres of society (religious to government to business) it is going to take another 25 years to reach some sort of maturity in governance that would help Pak become a state that Pak deserves to be.

Politicos, mullahs and the professional class has tasted blood of corruption so it isn't going to becoming vegan overnight.

Neither one man messiah is going to come and absolve all ills with holy bathing.


IVC wasn't built in a day. The modern Pak state with mature goverment isn't going to be either.


Education. Education. Education....and for this to happen....Economy... Economy... Economy.


A state is like a large oil tanker... to change course takes long..and it is slow process. But the decision happens in an instance.

 

[BATMAN]

In order to resolve an issue... one need to identify one!
Our politicians can't define a system for organized traffic... yet they dare to talk about other issues, supposedly more complex issue resolving!
If you go at Pakistani immigration or boarding counters.. its not possible to organize first come first serve basis and our politicians claim to take Pakistan forward!
Only idiots could follow such goons.. idiots who throw garbage in street while thinking its govt. job to cleanup!

How to tackle Key Problems?

Sorry... what you listed is not key problem!

Key problem is RAW is harvesting Dengue larva in Pakistan!
RAW is spreading contagious virus in Pakistani streets!
RAW controls medicine market of Pakistan, which is merely a repackaging business!
RAW is showing anti Pakistan movies in Pakistan!

So tell me.. is Imran Khan ready to speak about it in parliament?

 

[PakBlood]

I both agree and disagree with the PM. If we have a technocrat government for 3-5 years, of even 10 years, it is a waste of time. What we need is a technocrat government for the next 30 years with the remit of fixing the long term problems in the country. This government should be held accountable by a review every 10 years by a panel of judges, military head and political representatives using key performance indicators.

Key Problems to tackle
1. The economy
2. illiteracy
3. Corruption
4. Establishment of independent institutions
5. Law and order (lack of)
6. Infrastructure

After the first 10 years local government should be restored to elected representatives under the watch of a centrally appointment committee of technocrats.

After 20 years provincial governance should be restored to elected representatives under the watch of a centrally appointment committee of technocrats.

After 30 years national governance should be restored to elected representatives under the watch of a centrally appointment committee of technocrats.

In this time we need to educate the electorate, close the loopholes for exploitation in our "governance" system, hang the corrupt, put in processes to limit opportunity for corruption and increase the chance of being caught.

If you want a quick for years of respite from this, then there is no point, we need serious measured, considered change for the long term, not a dictatorial term.

What an idea sir jee, your proposal is indeed quite interesting, especially since it is so well laid out and seems to be very systematic, however, I would have to disagree with a few things;

Firstly,a monitoring panel made up judges is well and good but should not include a 'military head' as this could allow undue manipulation and influencing to take place within the political sphere.Instead accountability should be maintained through some sort of a direct linkage with the general public as history bears witness that leaders tend to engage in corruption when they are not held accountable, anyhow, this is what I propose:

i)The creation of so called "Civil Councils" wherein common citizens may submit proposals, voice complains and suggestions and mention their concerns for matters of interest. (I have much more about this in mind but it will need an article in and of itself).
ii)Since,under a technocratic governement, elections and hence political parties would not be allowed to exist , so, it would be a good idea to create "Political Representation Organizations" , consisiting of one for each race, religios group etc, for example there would be Punjabi Rep. Org. which would act as a representative for Punjabis,their culture etc snd we woukd have similiar ones for other groups such as Hindus, Shiites etc to represent each community.

You may be right but I think that a 30 year timespan would be unnecessararily long, instead a timespan of 15 to 20 years should get the job done as we already have a decent level of development andindustrialisation in the country already.
The rest of it is great work

 

[313ghazi]

How to tackle Key Problems?
1. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately improve economy
- Corrupt politicians have stolen billions of dollars from development projects
2. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately reduce illiteracy
3. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately reduce Corruption
4. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately improve help in establishing independent institutions
5. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately improve Law and order (lack of)
6. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately improve Infrastructure
7. Stop allowing anti-Pakistani political parties to run dirty politics in Pakistan.
-MQM-L, MQM-p, Muslim People movement, etc, should be banned from Pakistan.



Reduce government expenditure, make it a one unit, give more power to Districts and Cities, before setting it up as divisional (Administrative units) based government.

Punjab into 9 administrative units.

Number 7 would have to be done before any of the others could be done. I've always wondered if smaller provinces would be more effective.

On the one hand they will disrupt the current political setup and identities. It might help remove issues being held back by provincialism. Smaller units might also enable more local focus and improve results for the people.

On the other hand, look at the USA, big states seem OK there. Also the provincialism might still exist and the same old suspects might collaborate. Finally maybe we'd just be creating a load of more politicians?

I'd love to see the views or research of a political scientist.

 

[PakBlood]

Number 7 would have to be done before any of the others could be done. I've always wondered if smaller provinces would be more effective.

On the one hand they will disrupt the current political setup and identities. It might help remove issues being held back by provincialism. Smaller units might also enable more local focus and improve results for the people.

On the other hand, look at the USA, big states seem OK there. Also the provincialism might still exist and the same old suspects might collaborate. Finally maybe we'd just be creating a load of more politicians?

I'd love to see the views or research of a political scientist.

How many administrative divisions and of what kind should a country have really depends on the country's political structure and its culture;
for some, such as the United States, large highly autonomous states are preferable
.... but I think that Pakistan would be best served by a large number of small "city-provinces''.

Basically this means that a particular city and the towns or villages in its surrounding area would be grouped as a single,small,autonomous province. Named after the local geographic region such as a valley or a plain, all such city-provinces would be chalked up such that they have pretty much the same landmass and population, altogether we could have 25 to 30 such provinces

This would allow easier and more efficient administration, better and more democratic representation and this would mean that each province's capital(the largest city) would become the provinces economic hub and so Industrial estates, schools etc could be developed there on priority.

 

[Secur]

Pawns are a dime a dozen for those who meddle in political affairs illegally. IK is only one in a long and never ending parade of useful fools. Even the present pariah NS was created by General Zia. When the pawns fancy themselves as being really in charge and get too big for their britches, they are cut down mercilessly, only for the next one to take his place. Rinse. Repeat.

I remember the long list of the people and final logical outcomes of the pawns. As long as they say "to serve doth suffice" - they flourish with wealth, fame, power and good health. When they get to the "better to reign in hell..." part, they are considered redundant, a liability and taken care of.

 

[jupiter2007]

In order to resolve an issue... one need to identify one!
Our politicians can't define a system for organized traffic... yet they dare to talk about other issues, supposedly more complex issue resolving!
If you go at Pakistani immigration or boarding counters.. its not possible to organize first come first serve basis and our politicians claim to take Pakistan forward!
Only idiots could follow such goons.. idiots who throw garbage in street while thinking its govt. job to cleanup!



Sorry... what you listed is not key problem!

Key problem is RAW is harvesting Dengue larva in Pakistan!
RAW is spreading contagious virus in Pakistani streets!
RAW controls medicine market of Pakistan, which is merely a repackaging business!
RAW is showing anti Pakistan movies in Pakistan!

So tell me.. is Imran Khan ready to speak about it in parliament?

In order to resolve an issue... one need to identify one!
Our politicians can't define a system for organized traffic... yet they dare to talk about other issues, supposedly more complex issue resolving!
If you go at Pakistani immigration or boarding counters.. its not possible to organize first come first serve basis and our politicians claim to take Pakistan forward!
Only idiots could follow such goons.. idiots who throw garbage in street while thinking its govt. job to cleanup!



Sorry... what you listed is not key problem!

Key problem is RAW is harvesting Dengue larva in Pakistan!
RAW is spreading contagious virus in Pakistani streets!
RAW controls medicine market of Pakistan, which is merely a repackaging business!
RAW is showing anti Pakistan movies in Pakistan!

So tell me.. is Imran Khan ready to speak about it in parliament?

It all related to politics.

Who wants to see Pakistan as economicly weak, destabilized, label as Terriost state? Who will benefit most from this? New Zealand or India/RAW?

Who is Altaf Hussain? Politician and RAW agent who wants to destabilize Pakistan.
Who is Nawaz Sharief? Politician and RAW agent who wants to control Army/ISI and destabilize by destroying it's economy and institutions.

Who is Asif Zardari? Politician who is in Muk Mukka with Nawaz Sharief and have formed "Muslim People Movement" to destabilize Pakistan. MPM is directly working with RAW and other foreign agencies.

Any politician directly or indirectly support them has the same motive.

Number 7 would have to be done before any of the others could be done. I've always wondered if smaller provinces would be more effective.

On the one hand they will disrupt the current political setup and identities. It might help remove issues being held back by provincialism. Smaller units might also enable more local focus and improve results for the people.

On the other hand, look at the USA, big states seem OK there. Also the provincialism might still exist and the same old suspects might collaborate. Finally maybe we'd just be creating a load of more politicians?

I'd love to see the views or research of a political scientist.

* Majority of the corruption is done on provisional level so there is NO need of provinces. In new setup, districts and Cities should be given more power.

* Each division should have Governor or division commissioner with small cabinet.

* Governor or division commissioner Can directly work with presentatives from all the districts within that division.

* Reduce the Salaries and Perks of MNA and MPA to reduce the government expenditure.

 

[VCheng]

I remember the long list of the people and final logical outcomes of the pawns. As long as they say "to serve doth suffice" - they flourish with wealth, fame, power and good health. When they get to the "better to reign in hell..." part, they are considered redundant, a liability and taken care of.

Exactly right.

The real pity is that PDF could do more to improve the reality, but it serves only to be a part of the same problem you highlight above, rather than a part of the solution, by design as desired by the management. It is only to be expected, given that PDF is a microcosm of the real thing called Pakistan. The similarities would be almost uncanny, were they not so predictable.

 

[Secur]

Wishing for a change is never going to be enough to bring about meaningful improvement.

True for all things in life.

Exactly right.

The real pity is that PDF could do more to improve the reality, but it serves only to be a part of the same problem you highlight above, rather than a part of the solution, by design as desired by the management. It is only to be expected, given that PDF is a microcosm of the real thing called Pakistan. The similarities would be almost uncanny, were they not so predictable.

Why would it not be? The members are from Pakistan and demonstrate the same line of thinking and action, as they do in the real world. To expect anything else from them would be foolish.

 

[VCheng]

True for all things in life.



Why would it not be? The members are from Pakistan and demonstrate the same line of thinking and action, as they do in the real world. To expect anything else from them would be foolish.

And hence, the way things are being done now will not change, on PDF, and in Pakistan. I am glad I am insulated from the consequences by dint of my own hard work, since I can afford to speak out the truth..

 

[Secur]

And hence, the way things are being done now will not change, on PDF, and in Pakistan. I am glad I am insulated from the consequences by dint of my own hard work.

It appears so. Hope is eternal though.

If you were to go to the first year class on the very first day of the university and ask the students what they want to do, after completing their studies. A great many of them will say, they will leave the country, afterwards. I have seen it, first hand. But then again, so long as Pakistan exists on the map, everyone is content and happy. They don't see the need to do anything else. After every single country in the world is conspiring against us and mere survival is achievement enough. And, because many believe that the key to success in after-life, is suffering and poor living standard in this world.

 

[VCheng]

It appears so. Hope is eternal though.

If you were to go to the first year class on the very first day of the university and ask the students what they want to do, after completing their studies. A great many of them will say, they will leave the country, afterwards. I have seen it, first hand. But then again, so long as Pakistan exists on the map, everyone is content and happy. They don't see the need to do anything else. After every single country in the world is conspiring against us and mere survival is achievement enough. And, because many believe that the key to success in after-life, is suffering and poor living standard in this world.

Sir, Pakistan will rise or fall through its own hard work, and not by machinations of any third party. Who knows, Pakistanis will rule the after-life, but here, they will live and die and flourish and decay by the same rules ordained for all humans on this Earth by the Creator.

 

[Secur]

Sir, Pakistan will rise or fall through its own hard work, and not by machinations of any third party. Who knows, Pakistanis will rule the after-life, but here, they will live and die and flourish and decay by the same rules ordained for all humans on this Earth by the Creator.

I have lived in the UAE for quite some time and seen young Pakistanis with bachelors, masters, double masters and what-not do security work in Dubai. Not unhappily, they actually pay agents in this country to get that job! Because it pays 3x than whatever the hell, an average honest highly qualified person can get in Pakistan. Assuming one can find a job here, which in itself is an achievement at times. Most of them were fresh and had little experience and thus couldn't get a job in their own field there. Made me sick. I still feel depressed when I think about it. What sort of future do we have if smart, bright educated people are forced to leave the country and do such things?

Nah, these people will keep waiting for the messiah and some, for the world to end. Talk about self-defeating ideology!

 

[VCheng]

....... I still feel depressed when I think about it. What sort of future do we have if smart, bright educated people are forced to leave the country and do such things?

Nah, these people will keep waiting for the messiah and some, for the world to end. Talk about self-defeating ideology!

What sort of future? The same future I saw thirty years ago is the present now. And the future we can see 10, 20 or 30 years from now will be worse still, as I keep mentioning (and keep paying the price for saying the blunt truth).

Waiting for a messiah is a choice. Or trusting one's own hard work. A choice. Not paying heed to those who speak up is also a choice.

 

[Mrc]

all talk of this technocrat govt is BS.... system needs to continue....

election not selection...its the way forward... will of people must prevail...

who the hell is going to chose technocrats...angels??? not acceptable