Technocrat govt can't resolve Pakistan's issues: PM Abbasi

[313ghazi]

I want to add one more point to your 6 points with your permission;

0 keeping country above everything (including religion)

Can you think of a situation where someone might put religion before country?

 

[Vanamali]

Can you think of a situation where someone might put religion before country?

I don't want to create controversy here; generally Muslims do believe in Umma rather than their own country. My intention is that every organ of Pakistan Govt should think only betterment of Pakistan nothing less or nothing more. One point agenda in every action should be betterment of Pakistan. No brother hood nor allies...

 

[Khafee]

Read it slowly. And aim not only to increase your post count but to understand things as well.

By bringing in Behashti Zewar, you lost the plot. Thank You.

As to your comment on my post count - I am least bothered.

The connection between corrupt politicians, mis-governances, Surrey Place, non-existent steel mills, Mayor Wasim Akhtar taking orders from a toad, are all the result of Behashti Zewar, and Maulana Thanvi! But you being an evil and corrupt person can't see this! Shame on you!

 

[RAMPAGE]

I was here in 09 and 11, I saw no support for them. I heard no support for them. What you saw was a light being shone on the deeds of the elites. It was filtered to suit the narrative.

You saw the impact of not governing a part of your country. You saw the impact of making terrorism state policy, you saw the impact of jihad Inc, you saw the savage playthings of the elite bite them on the ankle.

The lal masjid mullah is no sandal wearing, thobe donning madrasa graduate. He is a member of the elite, as much as bilawal maryam are. He just chose a different uniform in which to carry out his oppression. Mullah Fazullah was allowed to be the Prince of Swat by Musharraf, even if it was for a few weeks. If we could bomb the place flat a year later, we could have done it then. The general was too busy trying to be popular to govern.

Was the state of the writ not challenged when parliament voted to let thieves be kings? Was the writ of the state not challenged when lawyers stormed the court yesterday to halt precedings against maryam and safdar? Was the state not mocked when 2 PPP pms committed political suicide rather than write a letter to the Swiss government to open a corruption investigation? Where was the law when the punjab police shot dead 12 protestor? Where was the constitution when a dictator agreed terms to let people found guilty of treason back in to governance?

Where is the state and its supreme sovereignty when the Americans bomb our citizens via remote control?

I see the same terror every day. It doesn't scare me, you only see it when it's perpetrator is wearing a Pagh and a beard.

Good post, I wasn't expecting this.

However, I still think that a case can be made that terror becomes much more insidious when its perpetrators don paghs and beards. A penny for your thoughts?

 

[313ghazi]

Good post, I wasn't expecting this.

However, I still think that a case can be made that terror becomes much more insidious when its perpetrators don paghs and beards. A penny for your thoughts?

It would be disrespectful to the memory of the 70,000 deceased to play politics with it. This era was our darkest. Those they leave behind suffer as we read/write these posts.

Having said that though, do we even have a number for those who suffer the actions of our elite? It is immoral to play the numbers game.

I don't want to create controversy here; generally Muslims do believe in Umma rather than their own country. My intention is that every organ of Pakistan Govt should think only betterment of Pakistan nothing less or nothing more. One point agenda in every action should be betterment of Pakistan. No brother hood nor allies...

I agree. I. Am a Muslim who wants Muslim countries to work together for the benefit of all Muslims (concept of Ummah) but charity and duty begins at home. That doesn't mean you do nothing for everyone else until you are a utopia but the focus must always be the people you govern.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Sir, Technocrats have a say : "We cannot"

It's their slogan and they are the Neo-traitors that are serving Neo-colonialists, selling countries to western powers. They are rubbish, like a cancer that weakens and kills a human body. They have also a mission all over the world to make countries dependent on west and it's monopoly in economy and currency.

Was Nawaz Sharif also a technocrat?

You can use the same description for most politicians. At least technocrats can be picked based on ability or loyalty, and then replaced if they dont perform. Whereas politicians come to power by fooling the masses and stay in power the same way.

Nawaz Sharif was/is a polotician! I don't think anyone would describe him as a technocrat.

 

[Secur]

Sir, he can only do what he is told to do.

Indeed. Classic example of "selling your soul to the devil" and now not being able to ask for it back. You get the money, fame and power yet forfeit your free-will. Simple equation.

LOL. When I say that, people get a tad upset.

Yeah, your reputation precedes you

 

[313ghazi]

Well, I saw things differently. Confused indoctrinated people supporting terrorists, because they saw the central Govt as some extension of the infidel Americans and the terrorists as a group attempting to take the country back to the "real historic Islam". And by support, I mean a reluctance to label the terrorists as terrorists, instead blaming every single intelligence agency in the world for the blood bath in the country. That, in my opinion, is support. Now, we can argue all day long, as to reasons behind it. But, it was there. Interpret it any way you want.

The rest, you have written, is correct. Perhaps, the best, I have seen in a while. I wholeheartedly agree. And I am a little biased when it comes to religion, but I do know that terror comes in many forms. I just like to put in in bold, when its being done by religiously motivated men.

The denial phase was terrible. i didn't understand it. I think it was partly because the facts about what let to this clusterf--- of a situation were hidden from the general public. The military is treated as a holy cow by some quaters and others cannot see politics in a non partisan manner. This leads to debate flowing into strange tangents and the elephant in the room being ignored. TBH i don't think it's changed all that much today either.

 

[Secur]

The denial phase was terrible. i didn't understand it. I think it was partly because the facts about what let to this clusterf--- of a situation were hidden from the general public. The military is treated as a holy cow by some quaters and others cannot see politics in a non partisan manner. This leads to debate flowing into strange tangents and the elephant in the room being ignored. TBH i don't think it's changed all that much today either.

I believe that the denial phase was largely caused by chronic confusion and lack of self. The state irrationally invested a lot in indoctrinating moderate Pakistanis in the eighties and well the people didn't exactly know, who they were anymore, afterwards. Add the fact that all that was there, before Musharraf allowed the private media to open T.V. channels in the country was the PTV, which being the state channel, didn't exactly churn out facts and distorted reality in most cases - regarding things that mattered at least. And people saw the dearth of logic and how the media failed to explain the reasons behind events, in those days. Hence, the national habit of "developing conspiracy theories" to explain events.

Maybe, the denial phase was caused by the realization that blaming the "actual terrorists" is in part blaming the military, since they were the ones who created them and started the whole mess, in the first place. Maybe, that was the reason, people preferred blaming the external elements for the unrest and bloodbath. The military in this country, as everyone knows, is immune to criticism and accountability. And since, it is unconditionally loved by the masses, despite its failures and blunders, nobody wanted to acknowledge the grave mistakes made by the military in the eighties by pointing the finger at the Islamic terrorists.

By bringing in Behashti Zewar, you lost the plot. Thank You.

As to your comment on my post count - I am least bothered.

Of all the things that I can do, I can't make anyone understand, the giving explanation part is the last and best of my abilities. Sorry. Perhaps, if you weren't intently focused on the "Behashti Zewar" or "Maulana Thanvi" part, you would have understood the message underneath. No worries though, take it easy.

 

[ziaulislam]

Its not about them being the "messiah". I have just said that they ran Pakistan better than the Pakistanis. Of course, they looted the country and furthered their own interests, but still after all that, there was a visible Govt more responsible and committed than anything we have seen since the Quaid-e-Azam died and Liaquat Ali Khan got shot.

We have had seventy years to prove ourselves capable and worthy and yet we have failed. So its either do it ourselves or let others take charge.

stop the self pitty and vote for right people rather than not voting (everyone is bad) or voting for "bradery" or based upon racist(pretty much all Punjabi educated people of Lahore, Multan and Faisalabad vote for PML N and in sindh urban areas for PPPP/MQM)...accept that there is no angel but at least basic rule of law exist if people start using their power

 

[Secur]

stop the self pitty and vote for right people rather than not voting (everyone is bad) or voting for "bradery" or based upon racist(pretty much all Punjabi educated people of Lahore, Multan and Faisalabad vote for PML N and in sindh urban areas for PPPP/MQM)...accept that there is no angel but at least basic rule of law exist if people start using their power

In principle, yes.

But in reality, its not that simple. Hence, when confronted with two devils, we take the lesser one.

 

[El Sidd]

In principle, yes.

But in reality, its not that simple. Hence, when confronted with two devils, we take the lesser one.

Then why complain man.

PPP the desi angrez had utter control of government during the worst terrorism. Be it leftist turf war or religious tribal war. They did not launch a campaign but looted the compensation money. Halting the reforms.

PMLN the desi conservatives continued to tow the line while preserving the sectarian cards and playing the compensation loot till APS.

The Amish mullahs like ironic enough mqm helped fill the gaps beautifully.

Now you are left with political hysteria. The peace can only be lasting if everyone gets their wish to play out their fantasies. Something's gotta give not by will but by due process.

People have forsaken politician to their own detestable fate.

The public is one step ahead. Looking past these dynasties. They don't care if they go bankrupt because no one takes taxation seriously.

It's the only country in the world that runs on charity. Because we treat taxes like wishful luxury of charity.

 

[Secur]

Then why complain man.

PPP the desi angrez had utter control of government during the worst terrorism. Be it leftist turf war or religious tribal war. They did not launch a campaign but looted the compensation money. Halting the reforms.

PMLN the desi conservatives continued to tow the line while preserving the sectarian cards and playing the compensation loot till APS.

The Amish mullahs like ironic enough mqm helped fill the gaps beautifully.

Now you are left with political hysteria. The peace can only be lasting if everyone gets their wish to play out their fantasies. Something's gotta give not by will but by due process.

People have forsaken politician to their own detestable fate.

The public is one step ahead. Looking past these dynasties. They don't care if they go bankrupt because no one takes taxation seriously.

It's the only country in the world that runs on charity. Because we treat taxes like wishful luxury of charity.

Because, I don't like the reality and wish for it to change. At the same time, I do acknowledge the reality. Of course, everything starts with the public. If they don't want to change, nobody can make them. All the politicians, military personnel, establishment or any other higher power stem out from the public. The characteristics of the public are always well reflected in the rulers.

 

[VCheng]

Indeed. Classic example of "selling your soul to the devil" and now not being able to ask for it back. You get the money, fame and power yet forfeit your free-will. Simple equation.

Pawns are a dime a dozen for those who meddle in political affairs illegally. IK is only one in a long and never ending parade of useful fools. Even the present pariah NS was created by General Zia. When the pawns fancy themselves as being really in charge and get too big for their britches, they are cut down mercilessly, only for the next one to take his place. Rinse. Repeat.

Yeah, your reputation precedes you

Badnaam agar hongay to kia naam na hoga?

Because, I don't like the reality and wish for it to change. At the same time, I do acknowledge the reality. Of course, everything starts with the public. If they don't want to change, nobody can make them. All the politicians, military personnel, establishment or any other higher power stem out from the public. The characteristics of the public are always well reflected in the rulers.

Wishing for a change is never going to be enough to bring about meaningful improvement.

 

[xyxmt]

Even after 70 years if you dont know which system will solve you problem then you are bound to collapse one day. When people even discuss the possibility of giving one more chance to technocrats or wardi ... I cant figure out WTF is wrong with these people. You people need to accept that you are a third world country and every third world country has issues of corruption because you dont have strong institution to implement laws against corruption, You want to be like a developed country without going thru the pains they went thru to bring their democracy to what it is today.No one can cook a perfect democracy dish and serve you on a platter, you are given the receipe and all the ingredients and now you have to mold it according you your situation.

 

[jupiter2007]

I both agree and disagree with the PM. If we have a technocrat government for 3-5 years, of even 10 years, it is a waste of time. What we need is a technocrat government for the next 30 years with the remit of fixing the long term problems in the country. This government should be held accountable by a review every 10 years by a panel of judges, military head and political representatives using key performance indicators.

Key Problems to tackle
1. The economy
2. illiteracy
3. Corruption
4. Establishment of independent institutions
5. Law and order (lack of)
6. Infrastructure

After the first 10 years local government should be restored to elected representatives under the watch of a centrally appointment committee of technocrats.

After 20 years provincial governance should be restored to elected representatives under the watch of a centrally appointment committee of technocrats.

After 30 years national governance should be restored to elected representatives under the watch of a centrally appointment committee of technocrats.

In this time we need to educate the electorate, close the loopholes for exploitation in our "governance" system, hang the corrupt, put in processes to limit opportunity for corruption and increase the chance of being caught.

If you want a quick for years of respite from this, then there is no point, we need serious measured, considered change for the long term, not a dictatorial term.

How to tackle Key Problems?
1. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately improve economy
- Corrupt politicians have stolen billions of dollars from development projects
2. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately reduce illiteracy
3. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately reduce Corruption
4. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately improve help in establishing independent institutions
5. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately improve Law and order (lack of)
6. Strong laws to catch & convict corrupt politicians will ultimately improve Infrastructure
7. Stop allowing anti-Pakistani political parties to run dirty politics in Pakistan.
-MQM-L, MQM-p, Muslim People movement, etc, should be banned from Pakistan.



Reduce government expenditure, make it a one unit, give more power to Districts and Cities, before setting it up as divisional (Administrative units) based government.

Punjab into 9 administrative units.