Target met, PAC produced 16 JF-17 aircrafts in 2015: 4th JF-17 Thunder squadron complete

[The Eagle]

no IFR again KHUSRA fighter ??????????????

Sir Ji... filhal bacha ha aur kisi k liye itna he kafi ha.. phir wo b jald nazar a jaye gaa.... itna ghussa... bachay ki jaan le ge kia?

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

I think there may be intentional slow production of JF-17 as to integrate more avionics as it becomes available.

AFAIK, 2-29 means Block 2 and 29th fighter in that Block.

Doesn't 229 mean 29th fighter of block-2 instead of 229th fighter!

 

[313baberali]

I've learned, people of Pakistan don't follow a strategy and don't realize the realities. The 150 could've been achieved if majority of the work was done in China (as initially expected) and the assembly took place in Pakistan. Instead, they thought it would be a great idea to have Pakistan based manufacturing. Which saved billions, but brings up challenges of setting up manufacturing facilities, machines, equipment, people, training and all. Which is a crazy enough task as you are LITERALLY setting up a new industry.

People who know the JFT's mechanics and systems, also know that this plane is MUCH advanced than anything Pakistan overhauls internally, or has experienced with. Including the block 15 -16's (engineering and capability wise. Performance wise, F-16's aerodynamics are superior). So jumping from 2nd generation overhaul capability to actually trying to produce a 4th gen fighter in house (58% components, slated to go up to 80% made in Pakistan) is a HUGE under taking and will have risks. The most significant risk was the fact that the highly engineering focus facilities and skilled engineering labor wasn't there to just jump on it. You have to train people, then ensure their mistakes will be corrected by professionals.
And then a need for another facility for overhauling and export related manufacturing was also needed. Which is either done or being created as of now. So these were huge under takings, you should be proud that all this has happened and the JFT is now manufactured in Pakistan (wit majority of components).

Next, the block I was really a prototype production or proof of concept production. The PAF slowed down as they wanted their people to be trained, but also, have the advanced features come from China and readily integrated. If ALL 50 block I's had been completed few years ago, you'd have a LOT of rework to do, to integrate many weapons that are now already integrated in block II. So by slowing down the production, the PAF ensured the training of required labor force as best as possible. But yet, continue to get updates and really jump onto block II and make that a standard. So time was lost there as the advanced features (Anti-Ship, BVR, better Radar range, etc), were being tested in China.

The result is Block II capability as a standard package and it'll be added to the existing block I jets. And going forward, block III will be a build upon block II's capability. Block II gives Pakistan what it needed as a base package. Block I didn't. So it made all the sense to slow down the production and train labor, build facilities and establish components manufacturing, while things progress on capability on block II. This is actually HUGE for the Pakistani aerospace industry. You've now achieved jet aircraft manufacturing capability that a few countries on the planet has. And these jumps that eliminate decades worth of difference between Pakistan and say Sweden or another Tier II aircraft manufacturer, don't come in quick. Its a very, very complex effort.

All in all ,big efforts still required,it will give new life if russians established new engine facility or atleast overhaul .before we have two different techs french and Chinese now only depending russian tech is big question in this class.unless we 100 percent production .wondering any sanction from russia even a hard one like stoping china to resale will effect it or not ?

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

The ones which china is producing are they only for export or they giving us also ? and how many do they produce a year ?

As far as I know, China is producing for both PAF and export.

 

[killerx]

Doesn't 229 mean 29th fighter of block-2 instead of 229th fighter!

you are correct sir , if you see the video this year last and 16th block 2 are completed in PAF, 16 JF17 block 2 are already inducted in PAF and if you all remembered china promised us 50 JF17 and they are honoring there promise.

 

[graphican]

In China





And for second part, someone shared the pic in Military multimedia thread. I took it from there

Who knows China too is producing JF-17s and like J-10s, they would announce their induction when couple of squadrons are active. - or who knows they are producing those for Pakistan

 

[Tempest II]

^Translation of above graphics in a nutshell.

PAF chief has announced that from 2016 onwards, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex at Kamra will produce 25 JF-17s per year and JF-17s will also be sold to allied nations of Pakistan.

Thanks for translation

 

[Windjammer]

Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer and Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Sohail Aman along with other senior officials pose for a group photograph at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

Congrats. So we have 16 block II now

Yes

^Translation of above graphics in a nutshell.

PAF chief has announced that from 2016 onwards, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex at Kamra will produce 25 JF-17s per year and JF-17s will also be sold to allied nations of Pakistan.

How many JF-17s will Pakistan build in total ? 150 or 200 ??

Black Panthers and Black spiders are the first two. What are the other two?

#2 Squadron Minhas has also been equipped with JF-17s

 

[The Eagle]

Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer and Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Sohail Aman along with other senior officials pose for a group photograph at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

Windi Bhai.. as far as i can see, the 5 more were produced during 2015 though not inducted as have to go through all needed tests before operational and will be handed over soon or very start of 2016. So i hope, PAC is doing well with built numbers as many were asking that only 7 or 8 built during this year. Pictures speaks a lot or may be i am just wrong. Thanks.

Pakistan Zindabad

 

[Bratva]

It depends on what is the PAF's definition of 'produced'. As the news article suggests, the 16th aircraft was 'handed over to the PAF'. That seems to be how they are defining the term. Production line may have rolled out more copies which are still undergoing quality checks, retrofit of new equipment or trials of new systems etc. But PAF would acknowledge production when bird is in its squadron. I can not think of a reason other than this. PAC would have proudly announced its accomplishment otherwise.

So it negates the theory, PAF only acknowledges the JF when it is in the squadron since they counted and acknowledge the undertest yellow primer JF

 

[Zarvan]

Contrary to sensless statements coming out of Pakistan. It has become more of routine for our Airforce to obscure facts contrary to visible evidence coming out of other sources. It is not possible only 16 JF-17 were produced because

In January 2015, JF-17 0213 were revealed in china

China's Military Reboots 'Fierce Dragon' Jet Fighter With Homebuilt Model | Popular Science

How come from January 2015 to December 2015, Only 3 JF-17's were produced ? Impossible

Then JF-17 229 came in to picture in November 2015. This picture was posted by official chinese sources which indicate another JF production line setup in china. We can clearly see two JF-17 in the workshop

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So as per my understanding, there were 30 JF-17 produced from June 2014- December 2015. PAC may have produced 16 JF-17's while China may have produced rest of the 14 for the export customer.

Sir this one is in China and it's most probably a prototype for testing Air Refuelling

 

[The Eagle]

Its like we are mixing the theory of Produced and theory of Inducted/Operational/handed over to PAF. 16 JF-17 are operational and handed over to PAF and few others produced are still going through various test before final handing over to PAF so i think that's happening in beginning of 2016.

 

[salman-1]

Can any body tell what are the serial numbers of planes in yellow. Only then it can be a positive note for where the production stands and what are the induction procedure.
If the numbers on yellow planes is less than the 216 then it means these birds are still to be tested and retrofitted with teeth, and 216 has just been painted first to mark the symbol of 16 completed.

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

I asked you earlier about total numbers..According to dawn , in this video, total 75 JF 17s are produced till to this date officially...! Unofficial numbers, may be higher according to you...!

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10156381552470442

75 Jets include 5 to 6 prototypes ....