Tamil Nadu: Dalit youth attacked for not covering legs while crossing street

[Sky lord]

Why can't we all get along ?

What makes you think we are not getting along?

We are discussing that's all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My point is that no one is entitled to their own facts.

What makes you say that? How can a majority not be oppressed by a minority?


Incoming...

Maybe I should delete my post ? I hate to get into fights, I don't see why everything has to be taken so personally.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Maybe I should delete my post ? I hate to get into fights, I don't see why everything has to be taken so personally.

Too late now. Take cover.

 

[Sky lord]

Another Null hypothesis that needs to be tested is

There is no significant difference between the number of articles reporting communal clashes (as proportion of police reports) appearing in indian news outlets (to be defined) during periods of BJP central government and periods of Congress central government.

It would be interesting to see if this null hypothesis stands. (Remove confounding factors like elections)

 

[vsdoc]

What makes you think we are not getting along?

We are discussing that's all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My point is that no one is entitled to their own facts.

Not here.

I meant in real life.

Too much unnecessary angst.

 

[Sky lord]

Not here.

I meant in real life.

Too much unnecessary angst.

Agreed

 

[Joe Shearer]

OK, all I am saying is that we need to use data and hard facts more and depend less on poetry and beautiful thoughts. The hard facts are that there has been no upturn in communal incidences since the BJP took over. India has always been a violent society. Disagreeing with the philosophy of Hindutva is something else entirely and best left to philosophers and poets to debate.

What an elegant way to get rid of roadside rubbish!

Turning to the subject of discussion, the only difference has been that while there was a guilty tinge to the responses of earlier regimes to these ghastly holdouts from the Palaeolithic, we have in its place a smug and self-satisfied look, turning to grave sorrow and a sense of deathly calamity the moment any photographic device is detected in the vicinity.

 

[baajey]

Not at all as it would be factually inaccurate and as they say sticks and stones ....

Unless you are a hindutva turd you should not feel any offence. If you find common grounds with hindutva turds then as a hindutva turd you have more pressing issues of concern than what I have to say

first of all, try not to invent terms of ur own.
second, u are not contributing anything to the discussion. just trolling.
thirdly, look at my posts and find it out urself whether i m ur turd or not.

 

[mb444]

first of all, try not to invent terms of ur own.
second, u are not contributing anything to the discussion. just trolling.
thirdly, look at my posts and find it out urself whether i m ur turd or not.

Well hindutva is a fascist chauvinistic ideology.... I merely added turd to it.... Thus you have hindutva turd..... It was not particularly inventive but entirely apt ....

The topic relates to hindutva turds beating up a person for not covering their legs to showing respect to upper caste Hindus. Pray tell in what possible fashion one may further discussion than to utterly condemn the behaviour of these hindutva turds.

Hindutva turds are an affront to decency and logic.

I have not personally called you a hindutva turd so your indignation is unwarranted. I decline to go through your past posts as I simply have no such inclination, but will lookout for any new ones. Only you can decide if you are a hindutva turd or not, my opinion has no relevance to your outlook.

 

[Sky lord]

What an elegant way to get rid of roadside rubbish!

Turning to the subject of discussion, the only difference has been that while there was a guilty tinge to the responses of earlier regimes to these ghastly holdouts from the Palaeolithic, we have in its place a smug and self-satisfied look, turning to grave sorrow and a sense of deathly calamity the moment any photographic device is detected in the vicinity.

You may be right but we cannot imprison, kill or maim anyone for not looking guilty enough.

The way this is being presented by the press is that there is this sudden huge increase in killing of minorities in India since the BJP came into power in the centre. The data shows this to be untrue.

What seems to be happening is that every incidence that takes place in our violent society is harnessed to bolster the arguments of those who disagree with the philosophy of Hindutva.

My point is if you disagree with Hindutva then debate it at that level, as a philosophy, do not bring false facts to bolster your argument because you will lose the debate when people eventually realize your assumptions are wrong. ( the you is not meant to be you personally).

Debate the values.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I think of all this as excuses and both Pakistanis and Indians are victims of such excuse making. For example when a Pakistani Hindu moves to Indian controlled regions we say good riddance. This is a kind of false patriotism stand-we do not focus on addressing the problem of why and what core reasons forced them to move. Moving is a very difficult business. My grandfather did not even have a home nor currency when he moved to Karachi. It is a very difficult experience the reason why despite believing in Pakistan my other grandfather from my mothers side did not move.

Minorities are the gems of a nation. A country makes its reputation on how it treats its minorities-its how an image of a country is built. The responsibility lies on not just the government but the citizens to build an environment of trust. Unfortunately the ones who can help India out of this mess only make random excuses. No offense but shifting the blame is the easiest thing.


This is clearly caste tension but Hindus are so insecure today they want to paint everything with the lens of them being oppressed. Somehow a rare case where a majority is oppressed by a minority. It happens apparently no where in the world but India. Pretty funny claim according to foreigners though and these justifications are making things harder. Both for the secular system and the muslims.

I do not make excuses. But this particular case is not what you seem to think to be. The bottomline is, if a have beef with a guy and attack him, he goes to police and complains, that a guy attacked me cos of my caste, which in reality, I might have no idea on his caste. Registering a case under Sc/ST act its easy for police to apprehend me.
I am not telling this law is irrelevent. This law should be there, considering lots of caste violence still taking place in rural India.
This particular case is a color painted by media to make it look it does not seem to be.

 

[dadeechi]

Good thought, but it won't work. There is evidence.



You really diluted your message with that last sentence, which is meaningless. The caste menace continues under a calm surface, and comes out into the open when there is trouble.

Evidence of what?

 

[Dungeness]

@Dungeness

India's youth are not much more conservative than their counterparts in other countries.

I will explain at length, if I may, but please leave me some time, as duty calls out stridently.

From what I read here, I am not sure if I can agree with you on this point, waiting for your new post. Please take your time.

If those street rapists' twisted minds can be blamed on lack of adequate education, the mentality of the lawyers for those rapists and some Indian members here can't be explained away with the same reasoning. From my personal point of view, something is very wrong with Indian education system, which can't be made up with the number of years of education.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You may be right but we cannot imprison, kill or maim anyone for not looking guilty enough.

The way this is being presented by the press is that there is this sudden huge increase in killing of minorities in India since the BJP came into power in the centre. The data shows this to be untrue.

What seems to be happening is that every incidence that takes place in our violent society is harnessed to bolster the arguments of those who disagree with the philosophy of Hindutva.

My point is if you disagree with Hindutva then debate it at that level, as a philosophy, do not bring false facts to bolster your argument because you will lose the debate when people eventually realize your assumptions are wrong. ( the you is not meant to be you personally).

Debate the values.

That is a perfectly reasonable standpoint.

Evidence of what?

That it won't work.

From what I read here, I am not sure if I can agree with you on this point, waiting for your new post. Please take your time.

If those street rapists' twisted minds can be blamed on lack of adequate education, the mentality of the lawyers for those rapists and some Indian members here can't be explained away with the same reasoning. From my personal point of view, something is very wrong with Indian education system, which can't be made up with the number of years of education.

It is, in fact, nothing to do with the years of education, it has to do with the total absence of teaching any social science, with any degree of competence. The result is that we have had several generations now (dating this phenomenon from the mid-50s of the last century) of students who have qualified for jobs, and are in jobs, are well paid, have access to the Internet and are comfortable with the uses of a desktop computer. They take all their social science information and knowledge from web-sites, and not from books, leave alone books of any reputation or standing. As might be imagined, this was a disaster.

Actually I need to write up my entire point of view on the Internet Hindu, and subject it to peer review.

 

[Sky lord]

That is a perfectly reasonable standpoint.



That it won't work.



It is, in fact, nothing to do with the years of education, it has to do with the total absence of teaching any social science, with any degree of competence. The result is that we have had several generations now (dating this phenomenon from the mid-50s of the last century) of students who have qualified for jobs, and are in jobs, are well paid, have access to the Internet and are comfortable with the uses of a desktop computer. They take all their social science information and knowledge from web-sites, and not from books, leave alone books of any reputation or standing. As might be imagined, this was a disaster.

Actually I need to write up my entire point of view on the Internet Hindu, and subject it to peer review.

I hope we will get a chance to read your article too .

From what I read here, I am not sure if I can agree with you on this point, waiting for your new post. Please take your time.

If those street rapists' twisted minds can be blamed on lack of adequate education, the mentality of the lawyers for those rapists and some Indian members here can't be explained away with the same reasoning. From my personal point of view, something is very wrong with Indian education system, which can't be made up with the number of years of education.

I want to add one more thing before this thread is out to sleep. Please check the per capita rape figures of countries around the world, you will find that per capita rapes in India are lower than the US or China.

That is not to say that everything is rosy for the Indian woman, it most definitely is not, we have our share of cruel and patriarchal practices but if you look at actual data India is no more or less a violent society than other societies at the same stage of development and per capita income. We are also one of the least policed societies in the world.

To keep in perspective, I spent a few months in Nigeria a few years ago. It does sometimes happen in Nigeria that cars driving on the highway in rural areas are stopped by young men who demand children to be handed over by parents. These children are sacrificed. I have seen this thing. I have never once seen it written about in the media anywhere in the world . So the age old question - When a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it does it make a sound?

In India every gory detail of every petty and not petty crime is reported in all its techni colored glory with some additional Indian masala added ...so go figure. Again, I do not want you to think that I or anybody else does not realize that India has huge problems or that it is an insanely patriarchal society.

 

[vsdoc]

What an elegant way to get rid of roadside rubbish!

Turning to the subject of discussion, the only difference has been that while there was a guilty tinge to the responses of earlier regimes to these ghastly holdouts from the Palaeolithic, we have in its place a smug and self-satisfied look, turning to grave sorrow and a sense of deathly calamity the moment any photographic device is detected in the vicinity.

All of us have our leadership coming into our homes day after day via these selfsame photo/videographic devices.

As we do the incidents and the victims and the perpetrators and those who oppose our leadership.

Our window to our world at large, besides that which we live in locally and see for ourselves.

So my question:This tinge of guilt then and this smug look now - you've seen it ?

Cheers, Internet Zarthosti Doc