Tamil Nadu: Dalit youth attacked for not covering legs while crossing street

[Joe Shearer]

Thevar magan was mainly based on the rivalry between siblings who belongs to maravar community. Not based on rivalry between castes. Famous dialogue in the movie "Adi ku adi kudukala na aprom ennaiya thevan" (if you don't take eye for an eye then what's the point in being a thevan).

"Thoothukudi" movie to an extent coincides with venkatesa pannaiyar's(nadar) real life.

In my village president will get elected through bidding, those who bid the highest amount will be president. Always president will get elected as an unopposed candidate. Don't know when media is going to report "Tamil nadu ditches democracy and follows authoritarian rule" and thread will be opened for that too

Yes, it was Thoothukudi. Thanks.

But Kamalahasan was a class act in Thevar Magan. As you say, it was a family feud, and that made it all the more poignant.

 

[Sky lord]

I think news laundry actually looked at the data on communal and caste incidences in India over the past several years and found no increase (in fact slight decrease) within statical margin of error.

Indians are not yet very good at science but we are very good at philosophy and argument. So instead of taking data and lots of it, as good data as we can find and then figure out the hypothesis, we pick a hypothesis and then pick out data to support it. A philosophy majors approach not a physics major way of working.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think news laundry actually looked at the data on communal and caste incidences in India over the past several years and found no increase (in fact slight decrease) within statical margin of error.

Indians are not yet very good at science but we are very good at philosophy and argument. So instead of taking data and lots of it, as good data as we can find and then figure out the hypothesis, we pick a hypothesis and then pick out data to support it. A philosophy majors approach not a physics major way of working.

I was taught slightly differently, and perhaps much of the friction may be due to that. It was to establish a null hypothesis and an alternative hypothesis, and test for the null hypothesis to be untrue. If it was untrue, the alternative hypothesis would be what we should consider with greater seriousness.

But then we are all facing very clever people who will have nothing to do with historians and their ways of working; even more dismissable than philosophy majors.

 

[Stag112]

"The police have stated that the five men who belonged to the caste Hindu section told Muniandi that they had been waiting to teach theDalitsa lesson about not covering their feet when walking through the caste Hindus streets. "

Source: Tamil Nadu: Dalit youth attacked for not covering legs while crossing street

please read the above and reply back on how this is NOT a caste related chutiyapa.

Because if you claim that the people who beat u up used caste then you get booked under draconian laws. I have seen this in my village, two young people had a traffic scuffle and suddenly one guy gets arrested for some atrocities act.

Dude u dont realise that any one sided law, even though well meaning, will be misused by people.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Because if you claim that the people who beat u up used caste then you get booked under draconian laws. I have seen this in my village, two young people had a traffic scuffle and suddenly one guy gets arrested for some atrocities act.

Dude u dont realise that any one sided law, even though well meaning, will be misused by people.

I think you need to understand the caste wars that go on in the deep south - Pandya country - are quite different from a village scuffle wherever you are.

 

[Sky lord]

I was taught slightly differently, and perhaps much of the friction may be due to that. It was to establish a null hypothesis and an alternative hypothesis, and test for the null hypothesis to be untrue. If it was untrue, the alternative hypothesis would be what we should consider with greater seriousness.

But then we are all facing very clever people who will have nothing to do with historians and their ways of working; even more dismissable than philosophy majors.

No friction sir


So what is the null hypothesis here?

That there is no statistical difference in number of communal/ caste incidences (to be defined) between given periods (to be defined) of BJP central government and Congress central government.

This was tested and the data showed no significant difference ( slight decrease for BJP rule within margin of error). The Null hypothesis therefor stands.

So now there is no scientific basis to go on to the alternative hypothesis ( what the researcher really thinks is true)

You can criticize the sample size, quality of data, design of experiment but you cannot say that the alternative hypothesis should be tested once the null hypothesis is established to be true.

 

[Stag112]

I think you need to understand the caste wars that go on in the deep south - Pandya country - are quite different from a village scuffle wherever you are.

I do not know much but maravans post on page 1 made me look up the guys he mentioned and it seems caste is just a weapon used there by goons from both sides, but then laws are only one sided...

 

[mb444]

Hindutva turd alert..... Muslims killed for allegation of eating beef.... Killed for eating mutton ..... Dalit now can't cross street ..... How ridiculous and low will these hindutva turds go

 

[baajey]

Because if you claim that the people who beat u up used caste then you get booked under draconian laws. I have seen this in my village, two young people had a traffic scuffle and suddenly one guy gets arrested for some atrocities act.

Dude u dont realise that any one sided law, even though well meaning, will be misused by people.

well yes, i agree. there are people who misuse these laws.
take an example of anti rape laws, they are also misused, so shud they be done away with altogether ???
lets agree that we live in a less than perfect society.

This logic is not applicable for entire tamil nadu, it applies only on southern tamil nadu. In chennai people will use loose tongue against elders, thats normal over there. But in sothern tamil nadu every single word counts while discussing with an elder. When my cousin came to chennai first time he wasn't used to chennai slang, so he thrashed a chennai guy who made a loose talk and got arrested. It's not the mistake of both, in chennai it's ok but in south it's an offence and the police officer warned him to leave chennai if he is not able to tolerate the chennai slang.

Yes caste/ethnicity is much more intense in TN than religion. It's not happened because he is a dalit, it would happen even a maravar guy walked like that. Only in the two districts tuticorin and tirunelveli, Rivalry still going between thevars-nadars, thevars-dalits, nadars-dalits, these three castes are fighting with one another for a long time but no one will ally against or with anyone.

Yes it happened due to caste, but my point is it's not happened because he is from the lower caste.

well brother, u made a near detailed representation of ppl of TN. to be honest , i was commenting on the basis of pics or videos seen on TV/net (remember lungi dance ??).
i stand corrected. thank you for the explanation.

Hindutva turd alert..... Muslims killed for allegation of eating beef.... Killed for eating mutton ..... Dalit now can't cross street ..... How ridiculous and low will these hindutva turds go

what if i call u a f**king terr***st ? would it then offend u just the way you did to me ???

 

[Joe Shearer]

No friction sir


So what is the null hypothesis here?

That there is no statistical difference in number of communal/ caste incidences (to be defined) between given periods (to be defined) of BJP central government and Congress central government.

This was tested and the data showed no significant difference ( slight decrease for BJP rule within margin of error). The Null hypothesis therefor stands.

So now there is no scientific basis to go on to the alternative hypothesis ( what the researcher really thinks is true)

You can criticize the sample size, quality of data, design of experiment but you cannot say that the alternative hypothesis should be tested once the null hypothesis is established to be true.

Perhaps a look back at my original post might make this post sound suffused with passion. I had no issue with the results; only with the projection of what a Philosophy major might or might not advocate. It seems that the poor man is still floundering.

 

[vsdoc]

Why can't we all get along ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

What is the rational behind all these? Why India's youth are much more conservative than their counterparts in other countries?

@Dungeness

India's youth are not much more conservative than their counterparts in other countries.

I will explain at length, if I may, but please leave me some time, as duty calls out stridently.

 

[mb444]

what if i call u a f**king terr***st ? would it then offend u just the way you did to me ???

Not at all as it would be factually inaccurate and as they say sticks and stones ....

Unless you are a hindutva turd you should not feel any offence. If you find common grounds with hindutva turds then as a hindutva turd you have more pressing issues of concern than what I have to say

 

[Sky lord]

Perhaps a look back at my original post might make this post sound suffused with passion. I had no issue with the results; only with the projection of what a Philosophy major might or might not advocate. It seems that the poor man is still floundering.

OK, all I am saying is that we need to use data and hard facts more and depend less on poetry and beautiful thoughts. The hard facts are that there has been no upturn in communal incidences since the BJP took over. India has always been a violent society. Disagreeing with the philosophy of Hindutva is something else entirely and best left to philosophers and poets to debate.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Somehow a rare case where a majority is oppressed by a minority. It happens apparently no where in the world but India.

What makes you say that? How can a majority not be oppressed by a minority?

OK, all I am saying is that we need to use data and hard facts more and depend less on poetry and beautiful thoughts. The hard facts are that there has been no upturn in communal incidences since the BJP took over. India has always been a violent society. Disagreeing with the philosophy of Hindutva is something else entirely and best left to philosophers and poets to debate.

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