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There is simply no logic in debating with any seriousness Indian pre history. We simply end up in the realm of conjectures. If there was a proto dravidian speaking people in the territories of the IVC & if they were pushed down south by an invading people who settled there, that knowledge is simply so lost to time because there is no evidence whatsoever to be even reasonably sure of a position. There is nothing in the Rg veda suggesting that, nothing in the memory of any dravidian speaking peoples of any such thing, all we have are essentially modern version of fairy tales driven by ethnic & political reasoning which essentially means that anyone with any agenda can twist what little is known to suggest his/her own theory which is then lapped up by other people of that persuasion. @Joe Shearer & I along with others have argued many times on other related theories but there is simply not enough of any type of evidence to be really certain of what might have happened. It seems that barring some smoking gun yet to be discovered, all we will ever have are wild conjectures of every known variety. Genetic studies have made the matter only more confusing by opening more questions even as they seek to add one more answer to this conundrum.
Now Tamils want to claim Pakistani history.
Pakistani history , really ?
@Bang GaloreIVC/HVC is evacuated by people there due to River Saraswathi dried up, the people left there and get settled in River Ganga basins...
Before IVC there are lot of history is still hidden, the Discovery of Two Cities in coastal area of current day Gujarat. From there only the people emigrate to IVC/HVC and other parts of India.
And more cities are sunken by sea level rise due to last Ice age are still undiscovered. Still there is a ban to explore the Mahabalipuram (TN, INDIA) Coastal areas from GoI. Almost all Coastal area near Tamil Nadu have a ban for search or research by GoI.
There is a lot of evidence for sea level rise,
Example: Madurai (TN, INDIA) Meenakshi Amman Temple is Built by the survivors of the Sea rise. It have the Written records for this.
Aryan Theory is Simply a BULLSIHT..!
@Bang Galore
As I said, while the pre-history, even the proto-history of the peninsula is still a knotty problem, it is quite clear now that the history of south India from the Sangam Age onwards is evident from the thousands of epigraphs that are available for research. There was no formed state, no acquisition of surplus labour or of surplus produce, little if any private property, no structure and state hierarchy, and, above all, NO TEMPLES, during this age. What we know of south Indian imperium springs from as late as the fourth to seventh century AD. Why these imbecile posts appear beggars comprehension.
Tamil civilisation formed the basis for Indian civilisation.
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Tamils from the south migrated north
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These people settled around the banks of the Sindu river and over the years were responsible for the creation of Indus Valley civilisation
I guess most of this is a legacy from the Dravidian movement since almost all such claims are made by only one segment of the Dravidian speaking people. Arguments like these are also who gives me pause about the traditional pre-history(Indian) ideas, that an invading group forced the settlers of major cities southwards. It would be too much of an ask to be expected to believe that people who built some of the greatest cities of that time, once defeated & pushed out were content to give up that urban life & live in stone-age conditions for the next 1000-2000 years in the South of India. Everyone it seems decides on the theory they like & then conjure up stories around them. Might as well I guess because too few people can be bothered about the facts which themselves are so thin that they can barely be called facts. Absence of evidence is not only treated as an absolute evidence of absence by some, it is accepted as evidence of presence by others.
P.S. It is one of the reasons I await your posts. Whether I'm in complete agreement or not in the conclusions drawn, at the very least I'm less uneducated about something than before.
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@DevelopereoNow that's what I call chutzpah.
Now Tamils want to claim Pakistani history.
@Joe Shearer
Is there a summary of the Mahabharat + Vedas available ? ..
I have a theory , I'd like to collect some data and try to test the theory.
How can you have a theory without reading these books.
These books, like other scriptural and quasi-scriptural writings, and like epics, do not constitute an acceptable source of history. Interpretations of possible historical developments based on their analyses are classified as proto-history.
It is not clear what theory @salman108 wishes to test, but it may not be an historical theory. If it is an historical theory, he is wasting his time.