Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[batmannow]

Again, the problem is that there is only one source claiming that the Deputy FM made that statement, no one else, not the multiple journalists apparently there, not the Russian government, not the industry vendors, not the Russian body actually involved in negotiating overseas arms sales? Just an alleged statement conveyed to us by one source? That's insufficient authenticity, and that's not something anyone should use in order assess whether something of this nature is actually happening or not.

Can you corroborate that statement via another source?

One source is enough if that is their premire source ?
& actually there is no denial , even the Russian embsy in Delhi ?
Even after the dam whole India started to cry ?
If there was nothing , Russian embsy would have said straight that no we are not doing any deal with Pakistan ?
All you have is doubts about the source but there is nothing concrete to challenge it or to deney that ?
In that sense , you are just trying to clam down the desperation ?
Russian DEPTUY FM is not Putin's kid , who is having an affair , & later will deney that ?
Sputnik news agency is the official Russian news agency started by its govt in 2013 ?
Just dont close your eyes on that & that's enough as a source ?

Russia won't arm India's enemies: Dmitry Rogozin - timesofindia-economictimes


"You must understand that we do not deal with your enemies. We don't deliver any arms to them.... If you see otherwise, you may spit on my face," Rogozin told reporters here when asked if Russia would supply arms to Pakistan.


Take things with a pinch of salt as the situation is Russia vs nato

Sure for them Pakistan is not India,s enemy ?
America is ?lol

Actually due to the language issue there was a slight misinterpretation, he quoted 'Pakistan is a close partner' not closest. Russians would sell to anyone who has the funds and hard $$ but they are not stupid as they know that India is key when it comes to defence and energy ties.

No China is miles ahead of India but India is still a bigger arms buyer than China is in the Russian market.

I think you need to spend few months on Google before stating that India is bigger buyers of Russian arms then China ?
China is not the buyer of their arms but the only huge investor/partner of their all super projects ?
So , China has the cash & its influence on Russia to sell the SU-35 to Pakistan & secure the economic corridor its has started in pakistan from india & its SU-30 STRIKE FORCE for ever ?lol

 

[vizier]

If you utilize its strengths a great plane. For navy protection of your subs and trade routes its range and high payload suits nicely. For supporting interceptors like Jf 17 you can use it like awacs coordinating attacks and long range a2a attacks. Having low numbers for deep a2g and antiship mission would be risky it is not stealthy but ew if capable you can hit and run from stand off ranges.Also it is a large plane that needs large air bases to operate.It cant use highway strips or frontline smaller bases like frontline interceptors.Hide them in shelters and camouflage.Build wooden decoys perhaps to protect expensive assets.

 

[batmannow]

If you utilize its strengths a great plane. For navy protection of your subs and trade routes its range and high payload suits nicely. For supporting interceptors like Jf 17 you can use it like awacs coordinating attacks and long range a2a attacks. Having low numbers for deep a2g and antiship mission would be risky it is not stealthy but ew if capable you can hit and run from stand off ranges.Also it is a large plane that needs large air bases to operate.It cant use highway strips or frontline smaller bases like frontline interceptors.Hide them in shelters and camouflage.Build wooden decoys perhaps to protect expensive assets.

No worries , still it is the best remaining option for PAF & PN it can give protective cover in deep deep sea & also can go up to down to indian territory at its will ?
That's what we need & we are getting it ?

 

[majid mehmood]

Russia to sell 12 Mi-35 helicopters to Pakistan

 

[Dr Gupta]

One source is enough if that is their premire source ?
& actually there is no denial , even the Russian embsy in Delhi ?
Even after the dam whole India started to cry ?
If there was nothing , Russian embsy would have said straight that no we are not doing any deal with Pakistan ?
All you have is doubts about the source but there is nothing concrete to challenge it or to deney that ?
In that sense , you are just trying to clam down the desperation ?
Russian DEPTUY FM is not Putin's kid , who is having an affair , & later will deney that ?
Sputnik news agency is the official Russian news agency started by its govt in 2013 ?
Just dont close your eyes on that & that's enough as a source ?

Sure for them Pakistan is not India,s enemy ?
America is ?lol


I think you need to spend few months on Google before stating that India is bigger buyers of Russian arms then China ?
China is not the buyer of their arms but the only huge investor/partner of their all super projects ?
So , China has the cash & its influence on Russia to sell the SU-35 to Pakistan & secure the economic corridor its has started in pakistan from india & its SU-30 STRIKE FORCE for ever ?lol

Kid you still do not understand this is all about money and the state of the current economic climate the Russians are facing, when you grasp that it will be clear to you.

 

[aliyusuf]

@Dr Gupta
Your reference link : Russia won't arm India's enemies: Dmitry Rogozin - timesofindia-economictimes is 3 years old. Situation has changed since then. Especially in the last year and a half.

It is a major break through that Russia and Pakistan even had a talk on the Su-35, the premiere Russian fighter at the moment. It is too premature, I agree, to even speculate whether this is going to progress further or a deal will actually materialize. But the talks itself is a huge step forward and probably is an indicator of the way things are headed in the future.

 

[!eon]

Russia won't arm India's enemies: Dmitry Rogozin - timesofindia-economictimes

Russia won't arm India's enemies. What is China then ?
Pakistan already getting engines for JF-17 from Russia, which is going to be back bone PAF.

 

[New Resolve]

We could just as easily get a couple of J11D squadrons if we need a maritime fighter to protect our sea lanes. It does seem though that the Russians want to play ball as well since the Indians gave them the middle finger over MMRCA fiasco.

 

[Quwa]

One source is enough if that is their premire source ?
& actually there is no denial , even the Russian embsy in Delhi ?
Even after the dam whole India started to cry ?
If there was nothing , Russian embsy would have said straight that no we are not doing any deal with Pakistan ?
All you have is doubts about the source but there is nothing concrete to challenge it or to deney that ?
In that sense , you are just trying to clam down the desperation ?
Russian DEPTUY FM is not Putin's kid , who is having an affair , & later will deney that ?
Sputnik news agency is the official Russian news agency started by its govt in 2013 ?
Just dont close your eyes on that & that's enough as a source ?

Sure for them Pakistan is not India,s enemy ?
America is ?lol


I think you need to spend few months on Google before stating that India is bigger buyers of Russian arms then China ?
China is not the buyer of their arms but the only huge investor/partner of their all super projects ?
So , China has the cash & its influence on Russia to sell the SU-35 to Pakistan & secure the economic corridor its has started in pakistan from india & its SU-30 STRIKE FORCE for ever ?lol

OK fair enough. Let's hope the negotiations are real and will lead somewhere.

 

[Windjammer]

Expected visit of CAS Sohail Aman to Russia next month..... PAF surely is planning some sort of deal with the Soviets.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Expected visit of CAS Sohail Aman to Russia next month..... PAF surely is planning some sort of deal with the Soviets.

Na karo?

 

[batmannow]

OK fair enough. Let's hope the negotiations are real and will lead somewhere.

That's a positive post !
Agreed on it !
But the thread should be stop cause its existence is just a speculation from no where ?

Kid you still do not understand this is all about money and the state of the current economic climate the Russians are facing, when you grasp that it will be clear to you.

Toddler , I'm a proud Pakistani enjoyed the sniping eye balls of your soilders in kargill ?lolzzz
Yes that's about , the money & state relationship & China Pakistan & Russia are on their level best in the history ?lolzz
Su-35 is comming to Pakistan .

@Dr Gupta
Your reference link : Russia won't arm India's enemies: Dmitry Rogozin - timesofindia-economictimes is 3 years old. Situation has changed since then. Especially in the last year and a half.

It is a major break through that Russia and Pakistan even had a talk on the Su-35, the premiere Russian fighter at the moment. It is too premature, I agree, to even speculate whether this is going to progress further or a deal will actually materialize. But the talks itself is a huge step forward and probably is an indicator of the way things are headed in the future.

Remember one thing if there was nothing & just talks were initiated then Russian FM never had talked about it ?
So its more a desperate media denial ,which India is in it & its wants to push into your mind?
I have posted pics here ,PAF pilots are in training on Chinese SU-30s why ?

 

[batmannow]

Expected visit of CAS Sohail Aman to Russia next month..... PAF surely is planning some sort of deal with the Soviets.

Sir,
That's real deal , & we are getting our target sights well done on indian navy ?lolzz

We could just as easily get a couple of J11D squadrons if we need a maritime fighter to protect our sea lanes. It does seem though that the Russians want to play ball as well since the Indians gave them the middle finger over MMRCA fiasco.

Its been stated a million times J-11 s can't be sold another country , Russia don't allow that ?
Get it & stop hitting the wall pls ?

 

[aliyusuf]

I have posted pics here ,PAF pilots are in training on Chinese SU-30s why ?

Good point!

Getting hands on with the Su-30 Flanker during a joint exercise which has just taken place or is currently still going on, while this news from an official Russian source ... well if the dots are joined ... they do seem to be pointing towards something.

 

[batmannow]

Good point!

Getting hands on with the Su-30 Flanker during a joint exercise which has just taken place or is currently still going on, while this news from an official Russian source ... well if the dots are joined ... they do seem to be pointing towards something.

Russia & China always believed that POWER FLOWS FROM THE BAREEL OF A GUN?
They are just securing their future , & will do whatever it takes ?
They tried their best to engage India for a reasonable frienship with Pakistan so , current group gets more heavy weight in it ?
But as we all know India was over The top of newly found friend america that , if they keep themselves with america against China they will get , a permanent seat in UN security council ?
That was just a trap & a fuel to put India against China , which never worked & now both Russia & China sees it as a threat , which they will shoot down by giving Pakistan more heavy toys like SU-35s ?