Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[MastanKhan]

I have heard it is without AESA radar. If true, should we opt for it.

Pesa is next step below aesa---

When did your prime enemy get SU27, unless you are referring to China?

That was a miss print---.

 

[prima99]

As far as training against Mig29's is concerned do not know exactly where PAF has been conduction training but in the past some aircraft were flown to evaluate these aircraft. Indonesia might be the place where PAF pilots flew and exercised against Mig-29.

i don't think we have Mig 29 in our hangar. but we do bought SU 35 some days ago

 

[batmannow]

First learn how to write basic english. There is a reason why you have so many negative ratings.

Wow another fault of my being human ?lolzz
So peoples gets , negative ratings because they don't know basic English here ?
You know , you are getting so funny , I know you are so pi$$ed of on me , cause I don't give a dam what you think about what ?
But I have my way of thinking , which you may not like & that's not means its the end of this world to me ?
Being critisized ,mocked up , makes you a stronger man , learn it kid ?
You have great abilities , don't waste them just to prove yourself right , because you may have more knowledge about some of subjects but I'm sure you doesn't have experiences about them ?
So listen to your worst critics !
& the super irony is you are taking it so personal that all of your dam posts has nothing to do with the title of thread ?
You have made me as your personal title , which as a responsible member , you shouldnt have ?
You must have followed the rules & would have stopped your personal rage against me ?
But it seems that , you are just another ignorant , arrogant , self proven , kid who just wants to prove himself right ?
I'm sorry I just write that all without basic English ?oops !chill out !

 

[That Guy]

Wow another fault of my being human ?lolzz
So peoples gets , negative ratings because they don't know basic English here ?
You know , you are getting so funny , I know you are so pi$$ed of on me , cause I don't give a dam what you think about what ?
But I have my way of thinking , which you may not like & that's not means its the end of this world to me ?
Being critisized ,mocked up , makes you a stronger man , learn it kid ?
You have great abilities , don't waste them just to prove yourself right , because you may have more knowledge about some of subjects but I'm sure you doesn't have experiences about them ?
So listen to your worst critics !
& the super irony is you are taking it so personal that all of your dam posts has nothing to do with the title of thread ?
You have made me as your personal title , which as a responsible member , you shouldnt have ?
You must have followed the rules & would have stopped your personal rage against me ?
But it seems that , you are just another ignorant , arrogant , self proven , kid who just wants to prove himself right ?
I'm sorry I just write that all without basic English ?oops !chill out !

I don't even know what you're trying to say. Just write Urdu.

Seriously, you're getting beyond annoying now.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Prasun K sengupta view on Pak Russia Su35 murmurs and relationship

Prasun K. Sengupta said..

• Why is everyone going into a tizzy about the Su-35? Instead, the following need to be considered:
  • Was the PAF’s CAS invited to see the Su-35 during the MAKS 2015 expo last month? No.
  • Did a senior PAF delegation visit MAKS 2015? No. Have the Russians sent a Su-35 to Pakistan for in-country demonstration flights? No.
  • Has the PA inked any contract with Russia to procure the four Mi-35Ms? No.
  • Will China & the US who are helping Pakistan survive financially ever allow Pakistan to procure major weapons platforms from Russia? Never. Between the AH-1Z Viper, ZW-10 & Mi-35M, which one will the PA prefer? Definitely the AH-1Z.
• Now to why the Ruskies warmed up to the PA’s COAS a few months back. The reason was the PA during Op Zarb-e-Azb eliminated plenty of ragheads from Chechnya & Uzbekistan who were sworn enemies of Russia in the north Caucasus, & since the PA will be preoccupied with such low-intensity conflicts for the next 10 years at the very least, the PA requires more Mi-171s plus more product-support for these helicopters.
• And that’s exactly what Russia will end up selling to the PA. Nothing else.
• In addition, the Ruskies will most probably supply a RD-93 turbofan NRO facility that will be cited in Kamra.
• Furthermore, since the PAF can no longer bank on Ukraine for supporting its four IL-78MKPs, it will have to approach Moscow for MRO support
• The same goes for the spare 125mm main gun barrels for the PA’s T-80UD MBTs.
• So let’s bury the ghost of Su-35s destined for Pakistan once & for all. In fact, the same can be said even for China, especially after Beijing blatantly embarrassed Moscow by including Chinese clones like the J-11B & J-15 in the September 3 flypast.
• Russia is now asking for an enormous amount of liquidated damages from China for cloning the Su-27/Su-30 families, for cloning the S-300P & for cloning all the naval radars I’ve mentioned above.
• Russia also wants China to promise that none of these cloned items will ever be exported. If ever China starts exporting these items, especially the cloned & cheaper J-11s & J-15s & J-16s, it result in Russia being ousted for good from the global weapons export market.
• So, for all intents & purposes, the Su-35s are no longer on offer to China as well

@Imran Khan @Mark Sien @Oscar @MastanKhan @Zarvan

Is his points valid? as i am not aware too much of PAF integral things so i am asking your views on this.

@Ind4Ever @Abingdonboy @Blue Marlin

 

[Imran Khan]

Prasun K sengupta view on Pak Russia Su35 murmurs and relationship

Prasun K. Sengupta said..

• Why is everyone going into a tizzy about the Su-35? Instead, the following need to be considered:
  • Was the PAF’s CAS invited to see the Su-35 during the MAKS 2015 expo last month? No.
  • Did a senior PAF delegation visit MAKS 2015? No. Have the Russians sent a Su-35 to Pakistan for in-country demonstration flights? No.
  • Has the PA inked any contract with Russia to procure the four Mi-35Ms? No.
  • Will China & the US who are helping Pakistan survive financially ever allow Pakistan to procure major weapons platforms from Russia? Never. Between the AH-1Z Viper, ZW-10 & Mi-35M, which one will the PA prefer? Definitely the AH-1Z.
• Now to why the Ruskies warmed up to the PA’s COAS a few months back. The reason was the PA during Op Zarb-e-Azb eliminated plenty of ragheads from Chechnya & Uzbekistan who were sworn enemies of Russia in the north Caucasus, & since the PA will be preoccupied with such low-intensity conflicts for the next 10 years at the very least, the PA requires more Mi-171s plus more product-support for these helicopters.
• And that’s exactly what Russia will end up selling to the PA. Nothing else.
• In addition, the Ruskies will most probably supply a RD-93 turbofan NRO facility that will be cited in Kamra.
• Furthermore, since the PAF can no longer bank on Ukraine for supporting its four IL-78MKPs, it will have to approach Moscow for MRO support
• The same goes for the spare 125mm main gun barrels for the PA’s T-80UD MBTs.
• So let’s bury the ghost of Su-35s destined for Pakistan once & for all. In fact, the same can be said even for China, especially after Beijing blatantly embarrassed Moscow by including Chinese clones like the J-11B & J-15 in the September 3 flypast.
• Russia is now asking for an enormous amount of liquidated damages from China for cloning the Su-27/Su-30 families, for cloning the S-300P & for cloning all the naval radars I’ve mentioned above.
• Russia also wants China to promise that none of these cloned items will ever be exported. If ever China starts exporting these items, especially the cloned & cheaper J-11s & J-15s & J-16s, it result in Russia being ousted for good from the global weapons export market.
• So, for all intents & purposes, the Su-35s are no longer on offer to China as well

@Imran Khan @Mark Sien @Oscar @MastanKhan @Zarvan

Is his points valid? as i am not aware too much of PAF integral things so i am asking your views on this.

@Ind4Ever @Abingdonboy @Blue Marlin

he is another sour lessor no need to take serious if there is nothing why he care to write this scrap ?

 

[sohail.ishaque]

In sea air you need to have twin engine jet this is why every navy uses twin engine jet because single engine wont do what twin engine jet can

We have more threat from sea now IN is growing and with CPEC and our sea borders stretched more we need potent fighter jet to cover sea Mirages cant do job alone

F 16 and Jf 17 mostly will fight in punjab and some sindh areas so sea area karachi thatha gwadar which potent jet u have only mirages against what mig 29k and SU30

I m not an expert but i believe this is the sole point that is urging PAF to go for SU35s. its the CPEC and for the same purpose PN is acquiring more Subs.. all for the same reason CPEC, gawadar and threats from the sea....

 

[batmannow]

I don't even know what you're trying to say. Just write Urdu.

Seriously, you're getting beyond annoying now.

Seriously you are beyond being arrogant , I don't know what to say, just keep writing what ever you want , I will keep pushing you to your dam my lordship ?lolzz
@mods
Just get this stupid kid being out off topic ,arrogant or I may take him to cleaners my style ?

Prasun K sengupta view on Pak Russia Su35 murmurs and relationship

Prasun K. Sengupta said..

• Why is everyone going into a tizzy about the Su-35? Instead, the following need to be considered:
  • Was the PAF’s CAS invited to see the Su-35 during the MAKS 2015 expo last month? No.
  • Did a senior PAF delegation visit MAKS 2015? No. Have the Russians sent a Su-35 to Pakistan for in-country demonstration flights? No.
  • Has the PA inked any contract with Russia to procure the four Mi-35Ms? No.
  • Will China & the US who are helping Pakistan survive financially ever allow Pakistan to procure major weapons platforms from Russia? Never. Between the AH-1Z Viper, ZW-10 & Mi-35M, which one will the PA prefer? Definitely the AH-1Z.
• Now to why the Ruskies warmed up to the PA’s COAS a few months back. The reason was the PA during Op Zarb-e-Azb eliminated plenty of ragheads from Chechnya & Uzbekistan who were sworn enemies of Russia in the north Caucasus, & since the PA will be preoccupied with such low-intensity conflicts for the next 10 years at the very least, the PA requires more Mi-171s plus more product-support for these helicopters.
• And that’s exactly what Russia will end up selling to the PA. Nothing else.
• In addition, the Ruskies will most probably supply a RD-93 turbofan NRO facility that will be cited in Kamra.
• Furthermore, since the PAF can no longer bank on Ukraine for supporting its four IL-78MKPs, it will have to approach Moscow for MRO support
• The same goes for the spare 125mm main gun barrels for the PA’s T-80UD MBTs.
• So let’s bury the ghost of Su-35s destined for Pakistan once & for all. In fact, the same can be said even for China, especially after Beijing blatantly embarrassed Moscow by including Chinese clones like the J-11B & J-15 in the September 3 flypast.
• Russia is now asking for an enormous amount of liquidated damages from China for cloning the Su-27/Su-30 families, for cloning the S-300P & for cloning all the naval radars I’ve mentioned above.
• Russia also wants China to promise that none of these cloned items will ever be exported. If ever China starts exporting these items, especially the cloned & cheaper J-11s & J-15s & J-16s, it result in Russia being ousted for good from the global weapons export market.
• So, for all intents & purposes, the Su-35s are no longer on offer to China as well

@Imran Khan @Mark Sien @Oscar @MastanKhan @Zarvan

Is his points valid? as i am not aware too much of PAF integral things so i am asking your views on this.

@Ind4Ever @Abingdonboy @Blue Marlin

In the end sengupta is not Russian DFM ?
So no one gives a dam what he thinks , all importance is what Russian DFM said & this Gupta guy can't change it any way ?lolzz
End of story ?NO ?lolzz


With this deal kicking off with USA , Iam dam sure RUSSIA will offer more to Pakistan !

Indian cabinet approves military chopper deal - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

NEW DELHI: India cleared on Tuesday a $2.5 billion deal to buy 37 military helicopters from aviation giant Boeing, on the eve of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to the United States.

Mr Modi’s government is in the middle of a multi-billion dollar upgrade of its Soviet-era military hardware, partly to keep up with neighbouring rival Pakistan and big-spending China.

The cabinet cleared the purchase of 22 Apache helicopters and 15 heavy-lifting Chinook choppers, a long-pending deal that was discussed during US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel’s visit to India last August.

Also read: Airbus and Mahindra to make military choppers in India

“The cabinet committee on security has given the green signal for the helicopters. The deal is worth $2.5 billion,” a government source said.

Since his sweeping election victory last May, Mr Modi’s government has approved a string of military projects that had stalled under the previous left-leaning Congress government, in part over corruption scandals.

Mr Modi has also worked to shore up regional alliances since he came to power in India, which has a longstanding territorial dispute with China over a remote Himalayan region.

The nationalist premier wants to end India’s status as the world’s number one defence importer by instead manufacturing defence equipment locally.

His government has lifted the cap on foreign investment in the defence industry to 49 per cent and pushed tie ups between foreign and local companies.

The deal comes as Mr Modi heads this week to New York, where he hopes to meet US President Barack Obama ahead of the United Nations General Assembly.

He also travels to Silicon Valley on the West Coast, seeking to promote his country as open for business to help revive the Indian economy.

The deal for the Apaches was “hybrid”, with one contract to be signed with Boeing for the helicopters and the other with the US government for its weapons and radars, according to the Press Trust of India news agency.

Published in Dawn, September 23rd , 2015

 

[Imran Khan]

I m not an expert but i believe this is the sole point that is urging PAF to go for SU35s. its the CPEC and for the same purpose PN is acquiring more Subs.. all for the same reason CPEC, gawadar and threats from the sea....

these guys are same whom were over confident of jf-17 engine

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

these guys are same whom were over confident of jf-17 engine

We should try to get J16s. This is Much better than j11 and j15 and good to fill gap.

 

[Imran Khan]

We should try to get J16s. This is Much better than j11 and j15 and good to fill gap.

then why we are looking for su-35?

 

[ice_man]

Nahi aa rahay relax boys.

Russia can't sell to pakistan indians will and stop the deal EVEN IF it comes close to being signed.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

We should try to get J16s. This is Much better than j11 and j15 and good to fill gap.

Can China sale it's Flankers? I Don't think Russia will like that (cause China Reversed engineered Russian Flankers and made J-11 and J-16) that's why Pakistan is in Talks for Su-35...

 

[majid mehmood]

data say it

jf-17

• Empty weight: 6,586 kg (14,520 lb)
• Loaded weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)

MIG-29M series please remember india have SMT

• Empty weight: 13,380 kg (29,498 lb)
• Loaded weight: 17,500 kg (38,581 lb)

ia am talking about block 2 which has 4500 kgs
as for upg which india going to have it is 4500kgs
only mig 29 k has more
5500kg naval variant

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Can China sale it's Flankers? I Don't think Russia will like that (cause China Reversed engineered Russian Flankers and made J-11 and J-16) that's why Pakistan is in Talks for Su-35...

Dude, J11 was copy of SU30 Mkk. . J16 is just extension of j11 and j15.
It is just based on j11 airframe.
Thats why There should be No copyright issue on j16s , I think.