Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[Khanivore]

Yes....... as far as it is relate to Hinduism

You never answered my question. I'll answer it for you.

Question: Is Yoga a religion?
Answer: No.
Yoga is contained within religions. Religion is not contained within Yoga. (url)

 

[ni8mare]

You never answered my question. I'll answer it for you.

Question: Is Yoga a religion?
Answer: No.
Yoga is contained within religions. Religion is not contained within Yoga. (url)

Exactly........... it is contained within Santana dharma....... any attempt to insult yoga is a insulting part of culture and its teaching which is Santana dharma

what ever leave it ..........nothing to do with thread here

 

[Khanivore]

And you Indians want to blackmail the Russians over Russia-Pak defence deals which are nothing in comparison. Looks like India needs the Russians more than the Russians need India.

All the items listed below are actually happening:
TANKS = 5 BN
Brahmos JV program
Mig29K
HELICOPTER=4BN
SU 30MKI (42 NOS)=4.2 BN
MISSILES = AAM, AGM,AShM ETC
Helicopter upgrade=2 bn
Frigate and destroyer upgrade=?? (recently passed will be with VLS shtil-1 etc)

All the items listed below are actually in process:
PAKFA + FGFA = 35BN
NUKE SUB=1BN
Su-30 upgrade = 5 bn

All the items might happen in future:
SUBs deal = 10 bn
FRIGATE = 3BN

He wasn't insulting your belief but yes, never mind about it now.

what ever leave it ..........nothing to do with thread here

Wait, where did the poster say anything about Hinduism? I wrote a post on Yoga too like 2 hours ago. I think its great. I think its like Humus, its great for humans to have and I don't care who really "owns" it, whether religiously or culturally. So I think the poster above is referring to the calming effects of Yoga in terms of relieving the stress this SU-35 thing is causing the Indian community.

When you guys flame logical, factual threads, what do you think I do? I close my eyes, run some music with water fall or ocean music, deep breathe and stretch (aka, the Yoga). Its a great thing for stress relieving and to calm down. I recommend it to everyone . There is no religious aspect from my standpoint, its just beneficial to humans and to the human body. If it belongs to Hinduism, or Buddhism, then good for people who believe in it.

And I agree, there shouldn't be any insult to anyone's religion or stuff. BUT....you guys need to follow it too. Debate, not personal attack. Because if you insult someone personally, then they'll say whatever the heck they want to say, and you don't have a case anymore either.

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

 

[dadeechi]

i dont get it:
India expects Russia to remain faithful and quiet when it buys western hardware over Russian.
Then when Russians decide to sell to Pakistan, Indians are like no no u cant do that, we have a deep friendship(even though we will buy US toys).
Make no mistake if this deal is true, India has itself to blame

Thanked for the bold part

USA will finance procurement from Russia, just like she is financing Mi-35. In short It's Putin who have to worry about recovering money from Pakistan not Indians.

Exactly

i dont get it:
India expects Russia to remain faithful and quiet when it buys western hardware over Russian.
Then when Russians decide to sell to Pakistan, Indians are like no no u cant do that, we have a deep friendship(even though we will buy US toys).
Make no mistake if this deal is true, India has itself to blame

Misleading title

Doesn't Russia already sell to China?

Yes Russia has been selling to China but India never had an option to stop those deals due to the size of China's economy and china has more to offer to Russia than India.

In case of Pakistan, India always took comfort in the fact that they would be able to raise the stakes and prevent such deals by offering better opportunities to the potential seller. But with the entry of China to support Pakistan financially, Pakistan has turned tables on India and is now in a position to checkmate India.

If this deal goes through, It would be a win for US, China and Pakistan while a loss for both Russia and India (with India being the biggest loser of all)

 

[Khanivore]

Doesn't Russia already sell to China?

India cannot say the same about China. It's as simple as that. Plus the Indian economy is slowly moving into the grips of China.

 

[Viper0011.]

would i see the su-35 in paf colours? No

Just a friendly advise, don't put your money on betting on this. You might lose all your savings

 

[Blue Marlin]

Just a friendly advise, don't put your money on betting on this. You might lose all your savings

hi,
im confidant in what i what i say, i would assume your the same, we shall wait and see what happens and leave it at that.

 

[Viper0011.]

And Yeah..Vipers AH-1Z

are really scary then Mi-35 or LCH or Apache
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So now from Russia selling the SU-35 we go to how scary the helicopters and jets look.....and your point is that what India got looks scarier than Pakistan ....MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[Indus Falcon]

more info on the su-35 realised from Janes

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The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has discussed buying Su-35 'Flanker-E' fighter aircraft from Russia in potentially the largest defence deal between the two countries, but a final decision is yet to be made, a senior Pakistani government official has confirmed to IHS Jane's .

The official was responding to Russian media reports that Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov had said talks were underway for an unspecified number of Su-35s, which follow a recent agreement to provide Mi-35M 'Hind E' attack helicopters to Islamabad.

While the official said "it's too early to say if a deal will conclude and the terms", the fact that discussions have taken place shows Russia's willingness to sell advanced hardware with Pakistan despite Moscow's longstanding ties with India.

The official said Pakistan's interest in the Su-35 was driven by the PAF's need for a twin-engine fighter "that can fly for a longer range than the JF-17 and penetrate more deeply into the enemy's territory". The PAF flies a mixed fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16s, Dassault Mirage-5s, Chinese-manufactured F-7s, and the JF-17 Thunder, which is jointly produced by China and Pakistan.

In November 2014 a senior Pakistani official told IHS Jane's that Pakistan was in discussions with China to buy 30 to 40 FC-31s - the export version of China's J-31 fifth-generation platform. At the time, the official told IHS Jane's that Pakistan was interested in the platform partly because it was fitted with two RD-93 Russian Klimov engines, which also powers the JF-17. PAF officials have also told IHS Jane's in the past that they have considered the purchase of up to 40 Chengdu J-10 fighters.

Pakistani official confirms Su-35 talks - IHS Jane's 360

@MastanKhan You have been vindicated!!!!

 

[Blue Marlin]

@MastanKhan You have been vindicated!!!!

well that report is true, and i wondered how long it took paf to realise it needed a twin engined long range fighter?

 

[Blue Marlin]

So now from Russia selling the SU-35 we go to how scary the helicopters and jets look.....and your point is that what India got looks scarier than Pakistan ....MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!

i have never seen you comment like this before, i would expect some sarcasm from you, but now it's sort of just over kill. are you alright?

 

[Indus Falcon]

well that report is true, and i wondered how long it took paf to realise it needed a twin engined long range fighter?

You must understand something. PAF is not an independent Air fighting unit. It is just like the Peoples Liberation Army Air Force. i.e. an Air wing of the Army. When the Army says jump, they don't ask "why", they say "how high?"

To those (not you) who question me, go back in history, and see how Dar was asked to pay for the Jordanian Vipers. Dar was smart enough NOT to ask "why?", but "how much?".

 

[TigerJay]

You made your point very clear, but unfortunately, I believe it to be wrong.

First of all, the so called deal of 24 Su-35s for China have been going on for years, and the Chinese have already said they're no longer interested. There is no reason to suggest that they're looking to buy it, even for reverse engineering purposes (in particular, the engines).

Second, the Indian deal (even if it goes through) will take at least 2 years to fulfill one squadron worth of orders. India has to go through training, building of infrastructure, and so on, which will take them a long time. There have been calls within India to abandon the Rafale deal, and concentrate on the Su-30MKIs. By the time they get a squadron ready, PAF may have better options available.

Next, the Su-35 isn't the only available 4++ gen to Pakistan, hell, I don't think the Su-35 is actually even available. Like @Oscar said, India would sooner spend a billion, then let Pakistan spend a million buying the damn thing.

Pakistan is still not interested in the Su-35, and the former air chief has already said that PAF is more interested in 5th gen. Former air force pilots and current analyst, Kaiser Tufail has said that PAF may want to skip the 4++ and go straight to the 5th gen.

PAF will reject the deal, if a deal even exists (which I doubt). Whether for the reason I've given, or Oscar. It's as simple as that.

That is purely your own perspective. Your analysis isn't wrong, I won't say that, it's just the opposite possibility contrary my analysis to the current situation.

And in bvr fights its radar tracks 6 targets at once at range of 120 km i think

The Su-35 employs an Irbis-Epassive electronically scanned array radar that constitutes an essential component of the aircraft's fire-control system. The radar is capable of detecting a 3-square-meter (32 sq ft) aerial target at a distance of 400 km (250 mi), and can track 30 airborne targets and engage 8 of them at the same time.

i dont think its a right time to discuss the specifications of su 35 and f 16 .. we are over reacting, i think. it is indeed a positive development but we have to wait.

That's true, also the comparison of Su-35 with any other aircraft hardly concludes the outcome of this arrangement. The real gain for Pakistan is on the diplomatic front. Indian leadership is in fact having fits over this matter for that same reason. It will be a huge dent in the Indian diplomacy, rater a black day for them, if at all this deal is signed. And to be honest this exactly is the reason why our Indian friends on the blog are so furious at the moment.

The gawadar project is a life line both for China and Russia. Once the project builds up yòu will have a lot of traffic from these countries into Gawadar. Security of this region is paramount to the security of their assetts in future. But the SU35S deal probbably goes further than that. Their is indication of chinese support behind it. The engine on the SU35 is what yhe Chinese maybe afterand one way around it is to buy a small quantity themselves a couple of squadrons for PAFand have rights to build engines under licence. For PAF it maybe a good deal 0rovided the plane has an AESA,has depot level maintenance facilities inhouse and agreements to use armaments from other sources. The Russians maybe looking at both the financial and political implications of the deal and it makes sense.
The indian factor has been hyped about but is nothing more than astorm in a teacup. India ismmore dependant on the Russians than the other way around. The SCO membership also opens doors for Pakistan which the Indians may not be able to deny.
Still a long way to go so lets see how this pans out.
Araz

Thanks, you have concluded it so very beautifully. I would like everyone on the blog to see with a broader perspective. Keep up the good work.

 

[New Resolve]

All Indians on this Thread, please get your BP checked, we dont want to loose all our retarded indian posters in one day, good to keep some of you guys around for this type of jealous amusement, lol Su35 or no Su35.

 

[war&peace]

This deal will create strategic shift in Indian policy India to what level this remains to be seen. The official word from Russian Rosobornexport (SP?) I will wait to see it to believe it if it ever comes to be.

India has already made the shift long ago with a civilian nuclear deal with USA. It was Russia which needed to make a shift and in this changing world India is too overrated. West is using India to pitch it against China and you have accepted that puppet role and degraded yourself. India is not that important in the long term and if Russia can be the part of CPEC and access the warm waters (which USSR failed with all its military power) will be the greatest achievement for them and alone provide Russia with enough trade that hundreds of indias cannot offset. By the way, India has been playing this game for too long and now the world has run out of patience but Russian move is based on the geopolitics and much loftier than indians can understand.