Taliban says India playing 'negative' role by supporting Kabul govt

[Path-Finder]

The message is loud and clear. India is a spoiler. Modi cannot have his way.

i really want to know what doogling doval a.k.a darth vedick is planning.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

These kind of comments can only come from people who have never seen Taliban in real life. They think they are another molvi of Deoband or Bareily.
They should ask Americans who offered them whatnot in the past couple of years.

Surely they know!!! They've seen Sutan Mahmut, Ghori, Aybek, Babur, EbdAli etc....

Thanks to the Indian Muslims they can afford to be in a denial mode....

 

[jamahir]

We should keep backing the moderate and progressive voices and forces in AFG.

@jamahir your thoughts?

The Progressives yes. There is one such group. The Solidarity Party of Afghanistan :

The Solidarity Party of Afghanistan (SPA) is a small left-wing political party in Afghanistan. The party platform focuses on four main issues: secularism, women's rights, democracy, and opposition to NATO's Resolute Support Mission in Afghanistan. The party is strongly critical of the Afghan government, which it views as corrupt, fundamentalist, and dominated by warlords. The party claims a membership of some 30,000

But the thing is, since the SPA is a socialist group, neither the outgoing USA / West would like the SPA to have key positions in the new Afghan government nor would India under right-wing BJP would do it.

I see the new Afghan government with the Taliban controlling it and the USA rubber-stamping this arrangement and India following the American line.

USA doesn't have any vision for a progressive Afghan future five years down th line.

 

[Nilgiri]

The Progressives yes. There is one such group. The Solidarity Party of Afghanistan :

But the thing is, since the SPA is a socialist group, neither the outgoing USA / West would like the SPA to have key positions in the new Afghan government nor would India under right-wing BJP would do it.

I see the new Afghan government with the Taliban controlling it and the USA rubber-stamping this arrangement and India following the American line.

USA doesn't have any vision for a progressive Afghan future five years down th line.

My knowledge of Afghan political groups and parties is unfortunately bordering next to zero.

 

[jamahir]

My knowledge of Afghan political groups and parties is unfortunately bordering next to zero.

Well, I too don't have deep knowledge but just happened to find mention of SPA a year or so ago.

Below link is a list of other political groups. The list link is seen in the Wikipedia page for SPA :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Afghanistan

And I found one interesting :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_(Maoist)_Party_of_Afghanistan

 

[Naofumi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_(Maoist)_Party_of_Afghanistan

Are you sane? Maoism? He was responsible for the biggest famine in human history.

My knowledge of Afghan political groups and parties is unfortunately bordering next to zero.

He's mentioning an obscure party that no one knows or cares about, they're no stakeholders.
Though my knowledge is not great too but the broad stakeholders are :-
Ghani -> Pashtun Nationalist disliked by Pakistani establishment and ethnic minorities.
Abdullah -> Half Pashtun/Half Tajik, have support of ethnic minorities can be a good and balanced candidate but lacks Pashtun popular support. Pakistan too may prefer him over Ghani.
Taliban -> Pashtun-dominated fundamentalists everyone knows about.

We should keep backing the moderate and progressive voices and forces in AFG.

I think we shouldn't, they will be in a mess after withdrawal. We should wait and watch for sometime, any interference would a waste of time and money.
If we are going to have any role then let it be of mediator between various factions.

 

[jamahir]

Are you sane? Maoism? He was responsible for the biggest famine in human history.

What Mao did in China is for the Chinese to judge but about that Afghan group I just found it interesting that Maoist thought is present in Afghanistan too.

He's mentioning an obscure party that no one knows or cares about, they're no stakeholders.

30,000 members is not obscure.

 

[Naofumi]

30,000 members is not obscure.

It's a claimed number in an interview, not proved, they have no presence, no seats, no alliances. They're as relavant as Peace Party in UP elections.

What Mao did in China is for the Chinese to judge but about that Afghan group I just found it interesting that Maoist thought is present in Afghanistan too.

Destructive ideologies shouldn't be present anywhere.

 

[Jackdaws]

All of this is dependent on Trump getting reelected. American policy of getting our of Afghanistan could change under Biden.

India should be prepared either way. Talk to the Taliban, sure. They are a stakeholder in Afghanistan. But even they must have realized they can't be the same Taliban if they want international recognition.

 

[Naofumi]

I heard we treated Talibani leadership too in the past..
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/w...nger-in-indias-ties-with-taliban-5018041.html
@Nilgiri @jamahir @Jackdaws

 

[jamahir]

It's a claimed number in an interview, not proved

The interview says "registered members". How else will you prove it ?

no seats, no alliances.

Firstly, the Wikipedia page says that the SPA boycotted polls :

The party boycotted the 2005 and 2010 parliamentary elections.

The party was suspended in June 2012 following a Kabul demonstration in late April 2012 where the party accused a number of Afghan leaders, including former leaders and commanders, of committing war crimes over the last three decades of conflict, and demanded they be brought to justice.

The SPA boycotted the 2004, 2009, and 2014 Afghan Presidential elections as the party alleges that an individual cannot be elected without the approval of the US government. The party does, however, take part in provincial elections as it believes these elections to be more democratic and harder for central government to control or rig. No SPA members ran in the 2013 provincial elections, although the party did support certain candidates

Secondly, the interview ( from 2014 ) has more detail including on alliances :

Q: How would you describe the political atmosphere, two months before the vote?

A: These days everyone is talking about the importance of these elections. This is because public opinion is shaped by and based on misleadingpolitical propaganda fuelled by the national and international state-controlled media. The present political debate has only one goal, and that is, to make people believe that their vote still matters and is still decisive for the future of the country. This demagogic propaganda aims to involve Afghans in this bustling electoral campaign, as if the future of their country actually depended on choices that they could make. The truth is that, in the past five years, people’s expectations have not been met and this has led to widespread disappointment and scepticism in the country’s political affairs.


Q: How is the public opinion responding to the upcoming elections?

A: People have not lost interest in democracy per se, in fact, Afghans are thirsty for democracy. They still regard elections as a fundamental means of expression for every democratic system, but this, unfortunately, is not the case in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, elections are just a mockery.

Today our country is occupied by the US-Nato forces and governed by a puppet regime formed by corrupted criminals: there’s no sign of democracy in Afghanistan.

In the last decade, our country has plunged into a downwards spiral of misery: deteriorating security, alongside an overall declining international interest in the war in Afghanistan have created mounting fears among Afghans for the future of their country and forced many of them to flee their home. The right to freedom of expression and association is increasingly under threat, as are women’s rights which are constantly hindered by misogynistic figures; war crimes and crimes against humanity continue to be committed by those who now hold key positions in the government; corruption is rampant, unemployment is at its highest. All these factors, in addition to the lack of access to education and widespread poverty, continue to oppress our people who are already ravaged by decades of conflicts.

We believe that without justice there cannot be any democracy. Afghans consider justice a necessary condition for peace, yet today they are still awaiting accountability for the human rights violations and war crimes committed by the same people that now rule the country. Under such circumstances, any election is pointless and unlawful. In fact, these upcoming presidential polls are a shame for the Afghan people. The word ‘democracy’, in the present Afghan context, is a mere instrument of propaganda of US and of the country’s Afghan puppets.


Q: Will the Solidarity Party of Afghanistan boycott the upcoming Presidential and Provincial Council elections?

A: We regard elections as one of the fundamental pillars of democracy, however, we cannot forget the popular saying ‘It’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes’, which is particularly true in Afghanistan. If our vote really counted, then those in power would never allow us to cast our ballots. The SPA has boycotted the presidential elections in the past since we believe that in Afghanistan no president can be elected without the White House’s approval, whereas we have never boycotted the provincial elections which are not as easily maneuverable by the central government and its international backers, and that’s mainly because the territory at stake is too wide to be controlled. Therefore, we don’t want to miss this opportunity.

The SPA has decided not to publicly support any specific provincial candidate, however, in partnership with our local representatives and supporters located in all provinces, we have identified some potential provincial candidates to support. Through them we want to gain access to different areas of the country.


Q:Is any SPA’s member running in the Provincial Council elections?

A: Officially none of SPA’s members will be running in these upcoming polls, however, indirectly, we are supporting some Provincial Council candidates who are not corrupted and whose hands are not blood-stained, unlike the vast majority of politicians in our country. We hope that one day our people will be administered by these political exceptions.


Q: So the SPA is not planning to formally ally with any specific candidate or political party?

A: At present, we are not planning to ally with any particular candidate, although we did receive many requests from registered candidates seeking our support – some of these are on the list for the presidency. This is mainly due to our strong presence within the Afghan political scene as well as to our wide network of supporters. Nonetheless, we have strictly rejected all requests since we believe that no candidate can become president of this country without having to compromise with local lackeys, as well as with US imperialist forces and their allies – which we have always strongly condemned. In fact, almost all current presidential candidates have already been ‘approved’ by the CIA, MI6, ISI, Vavek and other foreign intelligence services.


Q: Will the SPA’s boycott of the Presidential vote be public?

A: In the past we have boycotted the presidential elections in the attempt to expose the shameful electoral machine in Afghanistan, which is financed by huge sums of money poured in by international stakeholders. To give you an example: the Afghan government has recently announced that it will provide three armoured vehicles and thirty-five armed security guards to each presidential candidate. So, if you consider that each armoured vehicle costs USD 100.000 and the thirty-five security guards provided for a period of six months to each candidate cost around USD 633.600, the overall cost reaches USD 4 million. It’s a lot of money. A big waste of money. Especially in a country like Afghanistan, where millions of people live in extreme poverty and mothers have to sell their own child for AFN 2.000 (around USD 40) in order to feed the rest of the family.

We believe that this large amount of money should be used in a more constructive way, that is, in the best interest of our country, for example by feeding our people or funding infrastructural projects such as the building of hydroelectric dams and highways, by improving our agricultural sector or promoting the tourist industry, etc.

In this context, the Party’s position has been made public on several articles published on our website and monthly publications, as well as in several public meetings and political debates broadcasted on the radio and TV channels.


Q: Does the SPA have any representatives in each province who might play a key role for the party?

A: Yes, definitely. Our main goal is to join forces with all the democratic and progressive voices of Afghanistan. We are aware that this may involve having to deal with differences in opinion, however, we believe that any divergences can be overcome by engaging in a fair confrontation. What matters most to us is the selection of our potential allies, which follows very strict criteria: first of all, they must not hold any criminal background; secondly, they must be willing to take a clear and firm stance against warlords and criminals who have dominated the political scene of our country in the last three decades; thirdly, they must not be involved in any case of corruption or embezzlement; they must advocate human rights and gender equality; they should believe in secularism and lastly, recognise Afghanistan as a country occupied by the US forces and their allies. At the same time, we believe that our union shouldn’t be based only behind the round tables in cosy rooms but we should go into practical ground and prove our honesty, because our country is full of bitter and useless unions.

Q: Is there any candidate who best represents the SPA’s ideas? For instance, Bashardost in the Presidential list, or Belquis Roshan for the Senate?

A: We have great respect for people like Bashardost, Roshan and Malalai Joya. Mr. Bashardost, for instance, is a reputable and charismatic man who gained the respect of our people with his honest conduct, however, we believe that he is not making the most out of his power and mostly believes in individual struggle and not organised struggle by political parties and organisations. At the time, he was the only candidate to receive a considerable number of votes without having to get his hands dirty with corrupted figures or use his power in illicit ways. Eventually, he did not win the presidential elections and that’s because the US did not approve of him. Even in the case of a victory, he would have been surrounded by many other criminals who would have prevented him from pursuing his political agenda.

In other words, we believe he has wasted his time which he could have used in other, more fruitful, ways. Eventually, Bashardost has recently stated that this year he will not run for presidency since he too has realised that every potential candidate has to kiss the hands of Obama – and he is not willing to do so.


Q: What are the SPA’s expectations regarding the outcome of these polls?

A: If the 2009 elections were marred by large-scale fraud, violence, we have no reason to believe this year’s vote will be any different. As Patrick Cockburn recently wrote on The Independent, all the election monitoring institutions have been taken over by and are now under the thumb of the government.In this context, the 2014 polls in Afghanistan are likely to be worse than anything seen before, given the level of corruption that dominates the political establishment.

One thing is clear to us: these upcoming presidential elections will not bring any positive change for the country, that is, for the Afghan people. The future president will be another puppet maneuvered by the White House, and will therefore continue to follow the anti-nationalist politics of his predecessor Karzai. Afghans people are gradually gaining more political awareness and rejecting this fascist regime. Afghans seek justice and they are determined to achieve it. This is a great hope for us. However, this process will require some time. In the meantime, we are determined to continue our struggle and raise our voice until this will be heard.

 

[Naofumi]

Firstly, the Wikipedia page says that the SPA boycotted polls :

Then they're even more irrelevant.

 

[jamahir]

Destructive ideologies shouldn't be present anywhere.

I heard we treated Talibani leadership too in the past..

It is very much possible. Read this article about an Indian diplomat meeting a Taliban-type Afghan warlord cum politician Abdul Rasul Sayyaf in Afghanistan.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/w...nger-in-indias-ties-with-taliban-5018041.html

Many hospitals in Delhi already have websites in Dari and Pashto, and separate payment and service desks for Afghans. Prayer rooms, halal food and Afghan cuisine are also available and almost all hospitals provide interpreters free of charge.

Most patients from Afghanistan rent apartments in small localities of south Delhi like Lajpat Nagar, Malviya Nagar and Bhogal, which are close to premier hospitals like Apollo, Max, AIIMS and Moolchand Hospital.

Nice.

Then they're even more irrelevant.

How ?

 

[Naofumi]

How ?

They have no influence there otherwise they would have fought elections and won. That's how real world works.

It is very much possible. Read this article about an Indian diplomat meeting a Taliban-type Afghan warlord cum politician Abdul Rasul Sayyaf in Afghanistan.

We have to talk who have influence there, we can't use too much resources to turn around the power structures there when US couldn't succeed in the same.

 

[ZAC1]

Talibs are real muslims they will take Suuna r love to die...no give n take...
Do u think they will forget atrocities on indian muslims.on Kashmir and the support of india to traitors.
Muslims are all just like one body...if some part feels pains the whole body feels pain(hadiths mafoom)
So india can dream but in end all will go in vain just like everything went in vain