Taliban have recaptured center of Kunduz Again

[A.M.]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/07/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-kunduz.html?ref=world&_r=0

The situation has gone from being embarrassing to downright despicable for the ANA. It sounds like the only reason they made headway earlier was because of strikes by the US.

The strikes are currently on hold given what happened at the Hospital which has allowed Taliban to mount a comeback.

I don't know the exact figures on the ground but it has been estimated that hundreds of Taliban fighters are running circles around thousand of ANA troops. It'll be interesting to see what happens next (aside from Afghanistan blaming Pakistan again).

 

[shah1398]

It'll be interesting to see what happens next (aside from Afghanistan blaming Pakistan again).

They have no moral grounds to blame Pakistan for it as (as per them) Pakistani Generals have run away in burqas. The hot issue now there would not be how to counter the advance of Talibs but whom to blame now? First thing first U know

 

[Xenophon]

Such a shame ana .

 

[Styx]

looks like the US SF will have to go in again, hope there's no more air support accidents.

 

[pakistani342]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/07/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-kunduz.html?ref=world&_r=0

The situation has gone from being embarrassing to downright despicable for the ANA. It sounds like the only reason they made headway earlier was because of strikes by the US.

The strikes are currently on hold given what happened at the Hospital which has allowed Taliban to mount a comeback.

I don't know the exact figures on the ground but it has been estimated that hundreds of Taliban fighters are running circles around thousand of ANA troops. It'll be interesting to see what happens next (aside from Afghanistan blaming Pakistan again).

mmm, it seems to be true ... perhaps the Taliban have control by night and the ANSF by day.

@A-Team, any Afghan perspective of what is going on.


The senior officer also blamed a lack of coordination among Afghan units. “There are 10 generals from different organs, and they aren’t under the command of one person who should lead the fighting,” the officer said. “This way, it is unlikely for the Afghan security forces to achieve anything so quickly. The fighting might last for months and Kunduz city may not be retaken.”

>>> it seems everybody in Afghanistan is either a Commander or General

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[A-Team]

mmm, it seems to be true ... perhaps the Taliban have control by night and the ANSF by day.

@A-Team, any Afghan perspective of what is going on.


The senior officer also blamed a lack of coordination among Afghan units. “There are 10 generals from different organs, and they aren’t under the command of one person who should lead the fighting,” the officer said. “This way, it is unlikely for the Afghan security forces to achieve anything so quickly. The fighting might last for months and Kunduz city may not be retaken.”

>>> it seems everybody in Afghanistan is either a Commander or General

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On the contrary here is a TOLO video from yesterday from the center of Kunduz with ANSF in control and commandos operating both day and night. I believe you understand Dari.

 

[pakistani342]

On the contrary here is a TOLO video from yesterday from the center of Kunduz with ANSF in control and commandos operating both day and night. I believe you understand Dari.

Thanks for the video -- will look at it a bit later -- a bit busy at the moment.

So @A-Team, what is the view of the Afghans, is it that the reporting of New York Times (and the likes) is inaccurate but well intentioned, or inaccurate and mal-intentioned. How do Afghans (who are in the know of the international coverage of say the Kunduz incident) reconcile it with their local coverage?

 

[RealNapster]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/07/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-kunduz.html?ref=world&_r=0

The situation has gone from being embarrassing to downright despicable for the ANA. It sounds like the only reason they made headway earlier was because of strikes by the US.

The strikes are currently on hold given what happened at the Hospital which has allowed Taliban to mount a comeback.

I don't know the exact figures on the ground but it has been estimated that hundreds of Taliban fighters are running circles around thousand of ANA troops. It'll be interesting to see what happens next (aside from Afghanistan blaming Pakistan again).

What about those Pakistani Generals ??

 

[Rasengan]

On the contrary here is a TOLO video from yesterday from the center of Kunduz with ANSF in control and commandos operating both day and night. I believe you understand Dari.

The propaganda mouthpiece of the Kabul regime cannot be considered a good source. What happened to those mysterious Pakistani Generals which your spineless army was going to capture soon? General Murad Ali the hashish clowns time will come soon.

 

[A-Team]

The propaganda mouthpiece of the Kabul regime cannot be considered a good source. What happened to those mysterious Pakistani Generals which your spineless army was going to capture soon? General Murad Ali the hashish clowns time will come soon.

Tolo is not a government mouth piece, not sure how much you know about the Afghan media scene but Tolo has been very critical of the NUG. The Afghan media scene is one of the Afghan success story, they are free, they are mostly impartial and the leading ones have no sympathy or soft corner for the NUG.

Thanks for the video -- will look at it a bit later -- a bit busy at the moment.

So @A-Team, what is the view of the Afghans, is it that the reporting of New York Times (and the likes) is inaccurate but well intentioned, or inaccurate and mal-intentioned. How do Afghans (who are in the know of the international coverage of say the Kunduz incident) reconcile it with their local coverage?

As for NYT and their likes I would say they are ill informed, they don't have presence on the ground and rely on sources which may provided clouded reports.
On the other hand Tolo has actual reporters on the ground, has no soft corner for the NUG, very critical of the NUG but is reporting what is currently happening in Kunduz

 

[Kompromat]

Talis took over Baghlan highway, they were boging down ANA reinforcements there.

 

[Falcon29]

I'm not the kind of idiot to believe a couple hundred rag tag fighters can take over a whole city, simply can't cover landmass anyways. So they either took over only a few police stations or someone has an interest in Taliban gaining ground in Afghanistan.

 

[EAK]

What happened to burka generals.. did ANA captured them yet ..

 

[Kambojaric]

I'm not the kind of idiot to believe a couple hundred rag tag fighters can take over a whole city, simply can't cover landmass anyways. So they either took over only a few police stations or someone has an interest in Taliban gaining ground in Afghanistan.

ISIS captured Mosul and other majori Iraqi cities with a couple of hundred men. They were far outnumbered by the Iraqi forces so it is definitely possible. The ANA (Afghan national army) has suffered heavy losses and morale is low meaning it is entirely possible for rag tag militias like the Taliban who are masters at guerilla warfare to take major cities by using harassment tactics (hit and run). So when the ANA will show up in large numbers they will disperse but as soon as their numbers fall the militia will re-emerge, launch blitz attacks and take over the city. Its a cycle which causes huge prestige damage to the authorities.

 

[Falcon29]

ISIS captured Mosul and other majori Iraqi cities with a couple of hundred men. They were far outnumbered by the Iraqi forces so it is definitely possible. The ANA (Afghan national army) has suffered heavy losses and morale is low meaning it is entirely possible for rag tag militias like the Taliban who are masters at guerilla warfare to take major cities by using harassment tactics (hit and run). So when the ANA will show up in large numbers they will disperse but as soon as their numbers fall the militia will re-emerge, launch blitz attacks and take over the city. Its a cycle which causes huge prestige damage to the authorities.

ISIS had a lot more men, but already the city was unstable and Iraqi army ordered withdrawal of 70,000 forces intentionally because Iraqi government gave up on governing Sunni regions. It's not because ISIS militias have superior motivation, motivation doesn't give you increased firepower/aim these days. It won't benefit you, but lack of motivation and morale like you said can hurt you.