Taliban has overthrown America; Don't test our Patience: Mehbooba Mufti warns Govt of India

[>Secular<]

I dont agree with the 4th formula where he talks about some joint supervision. Honestly, I dont even know what it means. Just partition the region and be happy.



Im sorry, I have little knowledge about how Baath party worked in 2 countries. May be I will have to read y0ur thread for it.

Just asking, how would the region be governed if this Baath Party formula is applied? Who will take care of the defense and communication?



Unfortunately you are right. I would still like to believe that they are the minority.


Serious discussion is going on here. So please stay away. Good day.

What about it?

Pakistani rivers control is in Kashmir, i had heard media news, when Vajpayee, Musharraf met, Musharraf gave the idea to solve main dispute aka Kashmir dispute, by changing in boundaries, ( so that Pakistan can get control of its rivers water), he even said Kashmiris will migrate to Pakistan (like Muslims migrated in 1947), to solve religious issue in Kashmir, But Vajpayee was not serious.

There is chances of war in future for waters sooner or later, if both countries not resolve the issue.

 

[Kuru]

I don't know what you mean by "changing boundaries" but I agree that both countries need to sit and discuss. That's what I wrote in post# 80.



What he meant is that the first three points need to be implemented by not only under the supervision of the Indian and Pakistani governments but also comprise of the groups and active individuals from the Indian side of Kashmir which would allow him to sell the solution to his citizens back home and help resolve the issue more easily.



My Ba'ath example was just to illustrate that though Iraq and Syria both were governed by the common Ba'ath Socialist ideology those two countries remained two independent countries with their own local governments with their own independent defense and communication formations. I propose a similar thing. India and Pakistan following a common progressive ideology ( please read that thread ) but remaining two independent countries.



Well, those activists may be smaller in number but sadly their supporters are many, online and offline.

Again, thank you for detailed reply. Will read that thread, yes.

Pakistani rivers control is in Kashmir, i had heard media news, when Vajpayee, Musharraf met, Musharraf gave the idea to solve main dispute aka Kashmir dispute, by changing in boundaries, ( so that Pakistan can get control of its rivers water), he even said Kashmiris will migrate to Pakistan (like Muslims migrated in 1947), to solve religious issue in Kashmir, But Vajpayee was not serious.

Sir, we wont agree to any changes in the region we still control. What I mean is, you keep what you have and we keep what we have.

As for the water rights, we already have IWT, and this treaty is probably the only thing we both have managed to uphold. So I dont think water is the issue here. If we are able to follow this treat with LoC in place, then I dont see why we cant do this when it will be converted into an IB.

As for the migrations, I would very much like those Kashmiris to stay in India, but if they really really wish to leave then we will respect their decision.

There is chances of war in future for waters sooner or later, if both countries not resolve the issue

Not for the water because of the IWT I already explained. But yes, we should resolve the issue where the wishes of all parties are respected.

 

[>Secular<]

1) Sir, we wont agree to any changes in the region we still control. What I mean is, you keep what you have and we keep what we have.

2) As for the migrations, I would very much like those Kashmiris to stay in India, but if they really really wish to leave then we will respect their decision.


3) Not for the water because of the IWT I already explained. But yes, we should resolve the issue where the wishes of all parties are respected.

1) You Indians agree or not, who cares? search "Azad Kashmir" in google, How Pakistan had snatch it from India. So, Its highly chances Pakistan will snatch Indian Occupied Kashmir like Azad Kashmir. It does not matter how much Indian army is in Kashmir, Watch 40+ countries defeated with best weapons, badly in Afghanistan.

2) When Kashmiris will migrate, they will take Kashmir with them

3) How can you resolve issues without resolving Kashmir issue, which is the main dispute? You think this issue will be resolve by giving Sunny Leon to Pakistan? ( Check your point 1, " you keep what you have and we keep what we have. ")

 

[MultaniGuy]

If Mehbooba is so enamored of the Taliban she should immediately ally with the Kashmiri Talibanic group Dukhtaraan-e-Millat of Asiya Andrabi.



You assign more capability to the Taliban than they have.



LOL.



Mehbooba is currently confused. That's all. Weren't her movements restricted last year on orders of the same central government ?

The Afghan Taliban are in power because the populace in Afghanistan supports them.
You think the Afghan Taliban are some minority group in Afghanistan. LOL!
Thats why Afghan Taliban are in power, because the people of Afghanistan wants them in power! LOL!

Thats why Ashraf Ghani left Afghanistan, running for his life!

LOL @ Indian member

 

[Kuru]

You Indians agree or not, who cares?

I thought we are party to the Kashmir issue, yes?. If no one cares then I dont know what Pakistan is waiting for? Vietnam, may be?

search "Azad Kashmir" in google, How Pakistan had snatch it from India. So, Its highly chances Pakistan will snatch Indian Occupied Kashmir like Azad Kashmir.

Do you mean India was controlling the whole of Kashmir and Pakistan snatched a part of it from India? Are you sure?

It does not matter how much Indian army is in Kashmir, Watch 40+ countries defeated with best weapons, badly in Afghanistan

Are you saying Pakistan couldn't do in 70 years to one country what Taliban did to 40+ countries in 20 yrs? If yes, why?

When Kashmiris will migrate, they will take Kashmir with them

I'm sure some Kashmiris may have migrated from india to Pakistan. Did they take Kashmir with them?

How can you resolve issues without resolving Kashmir issue, which is the main dispute? You think this issue will be resolve by giving Sunny Leon to Pakistan? ( Check your point 1)

Neither it will get resolved by giving Nadia Ali to India. I've already explained what I think we should do. That is a give and take from both the sides. Please dont expect India to just give and not get anything in return.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1429047889767006216

 

[El Sidd]

I won't be surprised if MM will have more trust over Taliban than Bajwa's army, cause they have already forsaken the Kashmiri's.

Kashmiris have been looking at China for the past decade.

Even PM Pakistan had to reiterate Pakistan's policy on Kashmir in recent elections held by semi autonomous region of Azad Jammu and Kashmir.

 

[Clutch]

Alexander the Great didn't seem to have been defeated in Afghanistan.

That was us... Ancient Pakistani. Thanks.

 

[Clutch]

Yeah, keep chanting that fantasy mantra about those Western-created Taliban crooks.

 

[jamahir]

The Afghan Taliban are in power because the populace in Afghanistan supports them.
You think the Afghan Taliban are some minority group in Afghanistan. LOL!
Thats why Afghan Taliban are in power, because the people of Afghanistan wants them in power! LOL!

As I said to a Chinese member two days ago in another thread many societies with wrong systems whether it be Afghanistan or American or India many people will either be apathetic until something happens to them personally or naively colluding with the few active wrong members or will simply be fearful of opposing and acting, or will seek to emigrate. This is the case with Afghanistan now. And in a society like Afghanistan the few active wrong types like the Taliban seek to legitimize their perceived ferocity by not only claiming but also sincerely believing in religion, in case of Taliban however much their extremely wrong understanding of Islam. This claimed legitimacy is part of why the Afghan National Army melted.

Thats why Ashraf Ghani left Afghanistan, running for his life!

Ghani wasn't a true progressive and didn't leave for Russia or Algeria or even Britain where such a person might be more comfortable.

LOL @ Indian member

This Indian member is a Muslim Communist so can talk with some more sense and context.

That was us... Ancient Pakistani. Thanks.

You were Alexander's Greeks ?

What's your point with the vid ? Eleven minutes wasted !

 

[>Secular<]

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I thought we are party to the Kashmir issue, yes?. If no one cares then I dont know what Pakistan is waiting for? Vietnam, may be?

I said Pakistanis, nor Kashimiris are interested in akhand bharat, they want Kashmir with or without war, and we also snatched "Azad Kashmir" from India, when Azad Kashmir was Indian part, its name was not Azad Kashmir.

Do you mean India was controlling the whole of Kashmir and Pakistan snatched a part of it from India? Are you sure?

Whole Kashmir was part of India and English not divided it in both countries

Are you saying Pakistan couldn't do in 70 years to one country what Taliban did to 40+ countries in 20 yrs? If yes, why?

Azad Kashmir we got in 70 years, lol

I'm sure some Kashmiris may have migrated from india to Pakistan. Did they take Kashmir with them?

Kashmiris will not migrate without Kashmir, they trust Pakistan, not India.

Neither it will get resolved by giving Nadia Ali to India. I've already explained what I think we should do. That is a give and take from both the sides. Please dont expect India to just give and not get anything in return.

99.9% Pakistanis even donot know about her, may be she is ex-Pakistani, While Indians are proud of Sunny Leon.
I said change in boundaries, there was dispute between China and Pakistan, but the issue was resolved by changing boundaries, its mean Pakistan give some part from disputed area and also get same in return from China (at that time Bhutto was in govt), then Indian media started propaganda that Pakistan gave its soil to China.

 

[Valkyrie]

Why did you not do it the last time they were ruling Afghanistan? Or you did?

Apprently if we did, we didn't send enough of them, fast enough.
Should take this more seriously this time around though. The score of funding terrorists that killed thousands of Pakistanis through RAW run consulates must be settled properly.