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Taliban has overthrown America; Don't test our Patience: Mehbooba Mufti warns Govt of India

we support Kashmir's all of us. .. there is no sympathy when indian soldiers get their brown hairy arse blown.

actually by late 1990s india was on it's knees... more 10% of defense budget spend in Kashmir, load of indian casualties etc

Only 9-11 happened and pressure from US came to close it.

Now with US having nothin to threaten us with there is no stopping us...and the entire Kashmir polulation hating india even their former puppets ... india will have alot of problems.
I wish 9/11 were never happened, so you wouldn't have to wish that you were supposed to "kick India out of Kashmir."

You need to understand that no one - US, China, Russia and all the world put together - no one can take Kashmir away from us. Not only with Pakistan, we will go to war with the world if we have to.

If we dont get Kashmir, no one does. We all simply die; but India will never be partitioned again on religious lines.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of wars. And excuse grammatical mistakes, if any.
 
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I wish 9/11 were never happened, so you wouldn't have to wish that you were supposed to "kick India out of Kashmir."

You need to understand that no one - US, China, Russia and all the world put together - no one can take Kashmir away from us. Not only with Pakistan, we will go to war with the world if we have to.

If we dont get Kashmir, no one does. We all simply die; but India will never be partitioned again on religious lines.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of wars. And excuse grammatical mistakes, if any.

Since you are not a fan of war, just like me, we have to propagate a peaceful settlement to the Kashmir issue. Musharraf proposed his four-point formula for Kashmir at the Agra Summit in 2001 ( details here ) but Kashmiri separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani and then Indian Deputy Prime Minister LK Advani sabotaged that solution.

I myself have proposed a solution which is similar to Mushy's and I have also derived from Gaddafi's ideas about this and enhanced them. Please read the below thread and make your comments there :

 
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Since you are not a fan of war, just like me, we have to propagate a peaceful settlement to the Kashmir issue. Musharraf proposed his four-point formula for Kashmir at the Agra Summit in 2001 ( details here ) but Kashmiri separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani and then Indian Deputy Prime Minister LK Advani sabotaged that solution.

I myself have proposed a solution which is similar to Mushy's and I have also derived from Gaddafi's ideas about this and enhanced them. Please read the below thread and make your comments there :

Hi, thanks for sharing it. I will read that thread later.

And while I appreciate your efforts for peace, I believe converting the LoC into an International Border seems to be the only respectable solution for both the sides (they give up our Kashmir and we give up theirs - so it's a give and take for both sides, I find it respectful for both).

One thing is crystal clear, we are not giving up our part of Kashmir. No matter what. Even if it means total annihilation of entire subcontinent. And like I said earlier, I'm not fan of wars (and I would like to believe that this is true for majority of Indians) but this doesnt mean that India can be blackmailed.
 
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this woman is trying to stay relevant after being india's stooge for so long.
 
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Battled hardened haqqanis with experience against the greatest military machine vs the beta Indian soldiers who become unconscious in heat. Who wouldn't want to see that.

I believe converting the LoC into an International Border seems to be the only respectable solution for both the sides
Kion bahi Azad Kashmir nahi chahiyee? Akhand bharat kidher gaya? Agaye apni auqaat par.
 
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alpha males of the Taliban

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And while I appreciate your efforts for peace

Thank you.

I believe converting the LoC into an International Border seems to be the only respectable solution for both the sides (they give up our Kashmir and we give up theirs - so it's a give and take for both sides, I find it respectful for both).

That generally is what Mushy boy proposed too in the first three points of his four-point formula :
1. Demilitarisation or phased withdrawal of troops

Millions of troops, on both sides of the Line of Control (LoC), are stationed in Kashmir. According to Musharraf, both India and Pakistan would have scaled back its troops in the region for a lasting peace. Whether this would be gradual, phased withdrawal or not had to be worked out by the two sides.

2. There will be no change of borders of Kashmir. However, people of Jammu & Kashmir will be allowed to move freely across the Line of Control (LoC).

The LoC is effectively a ceasefire line, which both sides accepted in the Shimla Agreement of 1972. However, neither India nor Pakistan accepts it as the International Border. Both nations claim all of Kashmir. If Musharraf’s plan were to be accepted, India would have to accept Pakistan’s sovereignty over Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (which Pakistan refers to as its province of Azad Kashmir) and in return, Pakistan would accept Indian suzerainty over the part of Jammu and Kashmir on India’s side of the LoC. The ceasefire line would then become the International Border and both sides would give up claims over the other half of Kashmir. However, the people of Jammu and Kashmir would be allowed to move freely to the other half of the region.

3. Self-governance without independence

Pakistan has long been an advocate of what it calls ‘Kashmiri self-determination’ but Musharraf was willing to give that up in favour of a greater measure of autonomy. Vajpayee would likely not have too many objections with this clause of the agreement because the Indian Constitution already allows autonomy for J&K under Article 370. While this would have meant that the BJP would have to give up one of its core ideological positions, the repeal of Article 370, it would put an end to Pakistani support to pro-independence Kashmiri insurgents.
Is this the same with your idea ?

One thing is crystal clear, we are not giving up our part of Kashmir. No matter what. Even if it means total annihilation of entire subcontinent. And like I said earlier, I'm not fan of wars

Well, my proposal is not only for the resolution of Kashmir but also to bring a common progressive political system to both India and Pakistan. Technically just like Iraq and Syria had their common Ba'ath ideology. Doing so there won't be any need for war between India and Pakistan. A permanent solution for the central and eastern part of the subcontinent. Kashmir will be resolved automatically.

(and I would like to believe that this is true for majority of Indians)

Well, there are too many people in India nowadays wanting or participating in violence.
 
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Hey but he and his ilk still managed to kick out the world's biggest, most powerful and advanced military machine ever known to mankind PLUS 43 other nations of NATO..........no wonder he is smiling........:azn:


Whereas you guys couldn't even stop 4 million indians dying from coronavirus:

 
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Battled hardened haqqanis with experience against the greatest military machine vs the beta Indian soldiers who become unconscious in heat. Who wouldn't want to see that.


Kion bahi Azad Kashmir nahi chahiyee? Akhand bharat kidher gaya? Agaye apni auqaat par.
Ask those terrorists to consume more phosphate before coming here, they add some value when we turn them to fertilizer.
Hey but he and his ilk still managed to kick out the world's biggest, most powerful and advanced military machine ever known to mankind PLUS 43 other nations of NATO..........no wonder he is smiling........:azn:


Whereas you guys couldn't even stop 4 million indians dying from coronavirus:

You guys really need to give some credits to your army and stop drooling over Taliban. At least Pak army tried to take Kashmir by force.
 
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Owaisi will be Commander-in-chief. :rofl:

Best solution is both countries sit together and it needed to change boundaries to resolve Kashmir issue.

I wish 9/11 were never happened, so you wouldn't have to wish that you were supposed to "kick India out of Kashmir."

You need to understand that no one - US, China, Russia and all the world put together - no one can take Kashmir away from us. Not only with Pakistan, we will go to war with the world if we have to.

If we dont get Kashmir, no one does. We all simply die; but India will never be partitioned again on religious lines.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of wars. And excuse grammatical mistakes, if any.
water dispute?
 
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That generally is what Mushy boy proposed too in the first three points of his four-point formula :
I dont agree with the 4th formula where he talks about some joint supervision. Honestly, I dont even know what it means. Just partition the region and be happy.

Well, my proposal is not only for the resolution of Kashmir but also to bring a common progressive political system to both India and Pakistan. Technically just like Iraq and Syria had their common Ba'ath ideology. Doing so there won't be any need for war between India and Pakistan. A permanent solution for the central and eastern part of the subcontinent. Kashmir will be resolved automatically.

Im sorry, I have little knowledge about how Baath party worked in 2 countries. May be I will have to read y0ur thread for it.

Just asking, how would the region be governed if this Baath Party formula is applied? Who will take care of the defense and communication?


Well, there are too many people in India nowadays wanting or participating in violence.
Unfortunately you are right. I would still like to believe that they are the minority.

Kion bahi Azad Kashmir nahi chahiyee? Akhand bharat kidher gaya? Agaye apni auqaat par.
Serious discussion is going on here. So please stay away. Good day.
water dispute?
What about it?
 
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Best solution is both countries sit together and it needed to change boundaries to resolve Kashmir issue.

I don't know what you mean by "changing boundaries" but I agree that both countries need to sit and discuss. That's what I wrote in post# 80.

I dont agree with the 4th formula where he talks about some joint supervision. Honestly, I dont even know what it means. Just partition the region and be happy.

What he meant is that the first three points need to be implemented by not only under the supervision of the Indian and Pakistani governments but also comprise of the groups and active individuals from the Indian side of Kashmir which would allow him to sell the solution to his citizens back home and help resolve the issue more easily.

Im sorry, I have little knowledge about how Baath party worked in 2 countries. May be I will have to read y0ur thread for it.

Just asking, how would the region be governed if this Baath Party formula is applied? Who will take care of the defense and communication?

My Ba'ath example was just to illustrate that though Iraq and Syria both were governed by the common Ba'ath Socialist ideology those two countries remained two independent countries with their own local governments with their own independent defense and communication formations. I propose a similar thing. India and Pakistan following a common progressive ideology ( please read that thread ) but remaining two independent countries.

Unfortunately you are right. I would still like to believe that they are the minority.

Well, those activists may be smaller in number but sadly their supporters are many, online and offline.
 
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