Taliban Funding

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Editorial Funds for the Taliban


US special envoy Richard Holbrooke’s statement in Brussels that the Taliban receive more money from their sympathisers in the Gulf countries than they obtain from the illegal narcotics trade in Afghanistan deserves to be taken note of. As we wrote in these columns in our issue of June 29, 'misguided concepts of philanthropy' contribute in no small measure to the Taliban’s coffers.



Nato officials estimate that the Taliban raise between $60m and $100m a year from the flourishing narcotics trade. This means that the proportion of what the militants get from the drug trade is less than the millions of dollars that pour in from people who may not necessarily have a Taliban bent of mind but who, nevertheless, have a soft corner for them in spite of the brutality that now characterises their philosophy.

Cutting off funding from abroad is a challenge because it is obvious that pro-Taliban elements do not use normal ban- king channels to transfer money, since the remitter could get caught if the remittee is under observation and is known to have links with the militants. Transfers are thus ‘safe’ only when they are made through nonbanking channels like hundi, an informal means of transferring funds. Tackling this is a ticklish job, because not all transfers made by these means necessarily go to the Taliban. Thousands of expatriates send money to their families back home through hundi because this way they evade service charges and get better exchange rates. Similarly, it would be foolish to assume that all money coming to the madressahs from abroad is necessarily meant for the Taliban.



The task is to scrutinise all transactions, as is humanly possible, and nab sympathisers of the terrorists. This, of course, requires coordination with the security agencies in the Gulf countries.

For some mysterious reason, however, while we continue to hear about Taliban funding nobody seems to focus on the sources of arms for the militants. They have money, agreed, but who sells them such sophisticated arms as rocket launchers and landmines and modern electronic communication gadgetry — and why?


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[Bill Longley]

mercenaries can be hired by any one
poverty and mentle illnesses make mercenaries

Some countries are hireing them to fight against us

after swat operation international media reported terrorist activities increased in Tajikistan because the mercenaries ran back
btw india has an air base in tajikistan

am i right indees?

Farkhor Air Base - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

its not 40's or 60's. Intelligence agencies use third party for intelligence and sabotage in their rival states.
India is useing third parties against pakistan. Its not only afghans but also mercenries from central asian countries.
yesterday Pakistan's Interior minister met his counter part in Tajikistan ... soon a high level delegation will held talks with them. not only indian consulates are involve but also the hireing is done in tajikistan and from uzbekistan and other CIS states.
RUSSIA, CHINA and Pakistan have same goals and they are colleberating against Indian , US and NATO financed terror in Pakistan

 

[glomex]

mercenaries can be hired by any one
poverty and mentle illnesses make mercenaries

Some countries are hireing them to fight against us

after swat operation international media reported terrorist activities increased in Tajikistan because the mercenaries ran back
btw india has an air base in tajikistan

am i right indees?

Farkhor Air Base - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

its not 40's or 60's. Intelligence agencies use third party for intelligence and sabotage in their rival states.
India is useing third parties against pakistan. Its not only afghans but also mercenries from central asian countries.
yesterday Pakistan's Interior minister met his counter part in Tajikistan ... soon a high level delegation will held talks with them. not only indian consulates are involve but also the hireing is done in tajikistan and from uzbekistan and other CIS states.
RUSSIA, CHINA and Pakistan have same goals and they are colleberating against Indian , US and NATO financed terror in Pakistan

What is this BS....

You have been posting the same thing again and again in several threads......wasting time....

 

[Bill Longley]

What is this BS....

You have been posting the same thing again and again in several threads......wasting time....

why are you on fire boy!

burn ********* burn
dont you like the mirror

 

[Slides]

hey you... mind your language...stop abusing fellow members..you can always argue with others but there has to be some dignity...if you can't refrain yourself from posting nonsensical comments then go find some other forum.Don't spoil this forum with your BS posts.

Stuck a nerve didn't it?

 

[muse]

Jana

For some mysterious reason, however, while we continue to hear about Taliban funding nobody seems to focus on the sources of arms for the militants. They have money, agreed, but who sells them such sophisticated arms as rocket launchers and landmines and modern electronic communication gadgetry — and why?

Daily Times Editorial


Thank you Jana for highlighting this - before any others can provide an answer, perhaps some brave soul in the Pakistani Majlis will raise this issue exactly as it has been posed above, and what the Pakistani state intends to do about it.

 

[seekers]

are all the deobandies/wahabies/salfies takfiries?
what will you call that iranian officer arrested by locals financeing and helping shias to kill their brothern(if you think them ur brothers?)....
what will you call those who drained blood of muslims to give it to Mujahideen of Iran fighting iraq and that to with sirenges?
what will you call those ayatullahs rapeing muslim girls because they were called kafirs due to their lack of support to revolution
what will you call people like mir jaffer and mir sadiq

come on each sect have their share of YAZEEDIES and KHARJIES

and i call you if you are your self follower of IMAM E PAK then why you dont act on his sunnah

WAMA ALINA ILL LAL BALAGH UL MOBEEN

WA TASIMU BI HABALILLAH HE JAMIAAUM WALA TAFARAQU

Your all false propaganda is totally baseless.Thousand of shias in parachinar,D.I.Khan and rest part of world are killing by yazedis.
In Iraq saddam had killed thousands of shias,after saddam figure of killing shias is still higher than any other sects.

You admit the share of yazedi and kaharji, but sorry to say no one has accepted like you.so keep this honor yourself.

You talk about "Sunnah". First pls. go to learn yourself the meaning of sunnah.
Sunnah does'nt mean to do that RASOOL ALLAH(SAWW) and AHLEBAYT(A.S) had act.
RASOOL ALLAH(A.S) had divided the moon,can you do that?
Their are so many acts of RASOOL ALLAH(SAWW) and AHLEBAYT(A.S) that umma can't do.
Sunnah means that the acts that THEY(SAWW) order to Ummah to do.

Did the demolishing the mosque of munafqein by RASOOL ALLAH(SAWW) is tafarqa??

Pakistan Army is doing jihad against munafqeins and everybody knows about their sect.

 

[Thomas]

Since the Taliban is supposedly a theocratic Army. And supposedly drug dealing goes against the Koran. What does the Koran say about those that purposely sin by going against the Koran? The Taliban kill store keepers that sell Alcohol but pay Afghans to raise opium which is then sold to raise money for their operations and arms? Isn't there a double standard going on here with the Taliban and it's supporters? How can you supposedly devout Muslims support such people?

Also I hear about the two Talibans. How one side is good and the other bad. Well I hate to break it to you but both Practice the killing of young girls for going to school. Both use civilians as human shields, Both take away human dignity and freedom at the point of a gun. Both have killed far more Pakistani and Afghan people then NATO ever has. Both kill tribal leaders and elders who dare to speak against them. Just becuase there may be differences in leadership between the two factions does not make them ideologically different. AND THEIR ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORDS SO FAR

 

[Zulfiqar]

I would like to quote someone here:

"When missionaries came to South Africa, we had the land, they had the Bible. Then they told us Let's close our eyes and pray. When we opened our eyes we saw that we have the Bible and they have the land."


My point:

Please do not bring religion into this. Islam forbids the actions performed by the taliban. Every type of taliban is bad but if we all had been closely following our religious teachings then africa and america(now where did majority of the red indians go) would have never been colonized.

Where were the "righteous" western people when Gaza an open air prison was being bombed day and night?

America or any western country does not really care about afghanistan or any other country.Its all about interests.

Here is what brzezinski had to say back in those cold war days (watch from 48 sec).

We don't like the taliban but the present government in afghanistan is equally murderous. This is proved by the fact that 70% of afghanistan is still in taliban's hand. There are articles in british newspapers that has letters from british soldier.They say that the taliban are farmers by the day and taliban by the night. Well this is because the local population is the taliban and the local population detest the presence of foreign forces.

Pushtuns compose of 42% of the afghan population.Give them the fair share of governance and stop supporting leaders that are either warlords or puppet leaders (that have jurisdiction only to the kabul city) and you might see changes in the attitude of the local population. While you are at it stop bombing wedding parties, you guys kill plenty of civilians.

BTW you also bought/made deals with sunni "insurgents"/local population in order to keep al-qaeda in check. The only reason that iraq is somewhat calm because shia majority is now in power and you have made deals with the sunnis.


Islam forbids terrorism but so does other faiths. US also supported proxies in many regions of the world. If things were black and white rather than grey then the world would have been a very peaceful place. While pointing other people's mistakes try also to remember yours.

Regards

 

[muse]

We don't like the taliban but the present government in afghanistan is equally murderous

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Rubbish! Patently false, this Afghan govt is not beating women in the streets, is not forcing people to go Masajid, is not forcing men to grow beards, is not preventing women from seeking employment, is not hand in glove with international Islamist terror.

Please do not obfuscate, you wreck the position you wish readers to consider.

Give them the fair share of governance and stop supporting leaders that are either warlords or puppet leaders (that have jurisdiction only to the kabul city) and you might see changes in the attitude of the local population

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Again, abfuscation, no damn God forsaken talib is fighting for a share of governance, they want to be the totality governance and you also mistaken in suggesting that all Pashtun support these Islamist butchers.

While you are at it stop bombing wedding parties, you guys kill plenty of civilians.

Amen! on the other hand, these mistakes, were just that, mistakes based on faulty intelligence - no wedding party was targetted simply because it was a wedding party

While pointing other people's mistakes try also to remember yours

Amen to that as well.

 

[Zulfiqar]

Rubbish! Patently false, this Afghan govt is not beating women in the streets, is not forcing people to go Masajid, is not forcing men to grow beards, is not preventing women from seeking employment, is not hand in glove with international Islamist terror.

Yeah right. So why are the tajiks,uzbeks, hazaras and pushthuns fighting among themselves since GOD knows when. Do you seriously believe that war criminals like Dostum and the war lords are saints? They might not be theocratic but they are equally criminal. Remember those containers containing prisoners and how were they treated plus dozens of other examples.

Again, abfuscation, no damn God forsaken talib is fighting for a share of governance, they want to be the totality governance and you also mistaken in suggesting that all Pashtun support these Islamist butchers.

I never said that the pushtuns support them. Heck i am a pushtun my self. What i want to imply that pushtun tribes are not properly represented.

Amen! on the other hand, these mistakes, were just that, mistakes based on faulty intelligence - no wedding party was targetted simply because it was a wedding party

Too much use of air power. The americans are so famous for such blunder that a special word was created for it (i read about it in a book called Guinness book of more military blunders). Its called "Amicide".

More on Amicide:

http://www.journal.forces.gc.ca/vo4/no3/book-livre-06-eng.asp

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/killing.cfm

 

[waraich66]

Yeah right. So why are the tajiks,uzbeks, hazaras and pushthuns fighting among themselves since GOD knows when. Do you seriously believe that war criminals like Dostum and the war lords are saints? They might not be theocratic but they are equally criminal. Remember those containers containing prisoners and how were they treated plus dozens of other examples.



I never said that the pushtuns support them. Heck i am a pushtun my self. What i want to imply that pushtun tribes are not properly represented.




Too much use of air power. The americans are so famous for such blunder that a special word was created for it (i read about it in a book called Guinness book of more military blunders). Its called "Amicide".

More on Amicide:

Blue On Blue: A History Of Friendly Fire by Geoffrey Regan

Terrorism - Friendly Fire During the Afghan Campaign

Allah has made this world maqfat e amal , majority Afghans are responsible for what happening in Afghanistan, main reason of blood shed in Afghanistan is Riba and absence of Amar bil marouf nahi munkir , biggest mistake done by Talaban was that they dont allow work of amar bil marouf nahi munkir in country same was satuation in Iraq.

 

[Thomas]

Editorial Funds for the Taliban


US special envoy Richard Holbrooke’s statement in Brussels that the Taliban receive more money from their sympathisers in the Gulf countries than they obtain from the illegal narcotics trade in Afghanistan deserves to be taken note of. As we wrote in these columns in our issue of June 29, 'misguided concepts of philanthropy' contribute in no small measure to the Taliban’s coffers.



Nato officials estimate that the Taliban raise between $60m and $100m a year from the flourishing narcotics trade. This means that the proportion of what the militants get from the drug trade is less than the millions of dollars that pour in from people who may not necessarily have a Taliban bent of mind but who, nevertheless, have a soft corner for them in spite of the brutality that now characterises their philosophy.

Cutting off funding from abroad is a challenge because it is obvious that pro-Taliban elements do not use normal ban- king channels to transfer money, since the remitter could get caught if the remittee is under observation and is known to have links with the militants. Transfers are thus ‘safe’ only when they are made through nonbanking channels like hundi, an informal means of transferring funds. Tackling this is a ticklish job, because not all transfers made by these means necessarily go to the Taliban. Thousands of expatriates send money to their families back home through hundi because this way they evade service charges and get better exchange rates. Similarly, it would be foolish to assume that all money coming to the madressahs from abroad is necessarily meant for the Taliban.



The task is to scrutinise all transactions, as is humanly possible, and nab sympathisers of the terrorists. This, of course, requires coordination with the security agencies in the Gulf countries.

For some mysterious reason, however, while we continue to hear about Taliban funding nobody seems to focus on the sources of arms for the militants. They have money, agreed, but who sells them such sophisticated arms as rocket launchers and landmines and modern electronic communication gadgetry — and why?


DAWN.COM | Provinces | Funds for the Taliban

There are plenty of private arms merchants in the world. Willing to sell you everything from small arms to tanks and helicopters for the right price. How do they do this? it depends on what the item is. but usually through third world governments who supposedly are ordering the arms for themselves. Who then divert them to another buyer for a fee. Or if you have enough money you can order directly from the North Koreans who also have access to Chinese weapons.

 

[S-2]

Guess where the most powerful arms merchants happen to be...?

...Yup!

The G.C.C.

What an intersection of interests. Rich wahabbi fat-cats with guns.

Great networks established to move dope too. Dope for weapons and the same distribution channels work for either.

 

[Skywalker]

hey you... mind your language...stop abusing fellow members..you can always argue with others but there has to be some dignity...if you can't refrain yourself from posting nonsensical comments then go find some other forum.Don't spoil this forum with your BS posts.

I hope you are not under false flag, try to understand first as where is he coming from before start bashing others, I hope you belong to the same jannat which is right in the middle of the hell.