"Taliban desperate for direct flights to India; We want Kandahar-Delhi services"

[hussain0216]

Isolation is not enough, their isolation still leaves enough room for them to intervene in Pakistan's affairs both through social engineering psyops as well as militancy which they have a historical tendency towards which isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

The presence of Afghan Pashtuns existence next door is a threat to Pakistan, no amount of civilising or education will remove this threat because Pakistan in its current form is unstable, it is too easy to take advantage of certain segments of society.

The realistic solution is eradication. Eradicate them and hand over the country to the Tajiks/Hazaras. They will cooperate with us even if we need to remind them what we are capable of first.

I agree, but this wasnt the original question,

We both agree afghans are a awful people, they have tried to hit us for over 70 years, more so then the Indians

Our own mistaken view of them as Muslim brothers, combined with our own pashtun population allowed them to create havoc


But people keep saying the same daft thing, not understanding that the Afghan Republic was out to get us, we tried everything to try and get them onside, used history, common sense, economy, reason

But nothing worked

No one ever said the Taliban would be better, just easier to deal with at the end of the day they are still afghans


It's been 1.5 years since the fall of the Afghan Republic, we are still in the process of dealing with the fallout which may take a few years to calm down, I personally think it has been reasonably quite

Afghan pashtuns have to make a decision, are they going to try and constantly make fassad or do they want to act like human beings and build for the future, and if they don't then your right we need to start reaching out to alternative groups to try and make peace

 

[TheSolution]

Afghan pashtuns have to make a decision, are they going to try and constantly make fassad or do they want to act like human beings and build for the future, and if they don't then your right we need to start reaching out to alternative groups to try and make peace

There's no question of peace. They are not to be trusted. Peaceful one minute and eager for conflict the next. No entity should be allowed to hold such blackmail over the state. They pose too much of a risk.

Pakistan cannot afford to have such people sitting at the border ready to be used as strategic depth.

They must be annihilated.

 

[undercover JIX]

Haha
You gave the last Kabul Gov a useless library triggering Trump to mock you lol. Better you concentrate on your Indian Muslims welfare u people r all mouth otherwise PAK helped Taliban wouldn’t have routed your last 2 ally’s from that country. U veg eater

Thank you for paying attention to the post and poster. You are very smart.

 

[Finer]

You speak as if majority of Muslims in Pakistan don't have a similar irrational hatred of Indians?
It's an endless cycle of hate that has been indoctrinated in both nations by decades of war, politics, jingoist media and bloodshed. Even the most educated and well off ones can have this hatred.
Pakistan was born out of the two state notion, it has to always say how existence was not possible and India is the only majorly Hindu nation in the world with Hinduism gaining prominence is politics, culture and way of life.
But still the country is secular, we accord equal rights and liberties to all citizens irrespective of class, creed or religion that's the main thing. Muslims occupy high positions and and are not limited from any educational or job sectors.
Does discrimination still exist? Yes. But everything is imperfect in this world including humans and their dogmatic beliefs.
And we're a nation of 1 billion people irrational people are bound to exist.
I can say the same thing about Pakistan's Blasphemy laws, limitations and persecution of minority, why doesn't law protect them eh?

Pakistan doesn't hate Hindus. Hindus do hate Muslims overall and more so with Pakistan given the partition that lost some portions to Pakistan.

In Islam, Muslims are not allowed to hate whereas politics instability and status quo are the result that keeps the nation in chaos which has nothing to do with Islam.

Whereas Hindus are indoctrinated from the birth to hate Pakistan and Muslims furthermore from the mainstream medias to the moving pictures focus on generalization, stereotypes and possibly the result of vote bank where it is easy to sell the hate and enrage the motivated mobs in the name of hatred.

 

[ThunderCat]

My contention is actually that Afghanistan, or at least the Pashtun areas, would have been inside that wall. I don't buy the racial theories that Pashtuns are some outside invaders or naturally violent, as it is often propounded here. They are probably descendants of local Rajputs and other groups, like any other. The wall would have been for defence from Central Asian invasions, the real source of violence and violent ideologies that wrecked further havoc. Another lower wall would be somewhere inside Balochistan or Sindh.

Of course as a Pakistani nationalist you might not accept India as a single nation at that time. I disagree, and would particularly point towards the book "India: a Sacred Geography" for evidence against it. This conception might include the Hun-Shahi areas.

The wall also has serious opposition from those who argue that invasions were good. What kind of people, what kind of sons-of-soil would declare invasions of their to be good? We can see the results of that here.

What do you expect from a confused Indian nationalist? Prior to British rule, India meant land of the Indus.

Today the term is "India" a homophone.

The Pashtuns are an Eastern Iranic people who derive from Iranic steppe nomads who settled in the area during the late Bronze Age.

Rajputs are were even Iranic as far as I know. They were Indo-Aryan unless I am wrong.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

The Pashtuns are an Eastern Iranic people who derive from Iranic steppe nomads who settled in the area during the late Bronze Age

Regardless of the genetics (and the findings are very contestable), linguistics and the later religious features, it is true that once upon a time, the people of the area were part of the same religious-cultural milieu that Punjab, Sindh etc, which were part of the greater cultural Hindu sphere. Al-Beruni mentions them as the frontier tribe of the Hindus (in more of a geographical sense, it seems, but it might also have had some religious connotation).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1620398282374803456

I won't comment on the trite Indus thing.

 

[Sayfullah]

Like I wrote, East Punjabi migrants count as Muhajirs.

No they don’t. Punjabis moving around in their own land are not muhajirs. By your definition millions of Punjabis and whole areas in Punjab will be considered Muhajir. Faisalabad is mostly of east Punjabis who migrated during British times or during partition and they speak their dialect of Punjabi. Does that make the whole city muhajirs? You can’t be muhajir on your own land. Before 1947 there was no Pakistan. Anyone who moved around in Punjab moved around in their own land and cannot be considered muhajirs because there was no border dividing Punjab back then.

@Maula Jatt this guy tryna say people moving around on their own land are muhajirs

 

[Maula Jatt]

No they don’t. Punjabis moving around in their own land are not muhajirs. By your definition millions of Punjabis and whole areas in Punjab will be considered Muhajir. Faisalabad is mostly of east Punjabis who migrated during British times or during partition and they speak their dialect of Punjabi. Does that make the whole city muhajirs? You can’t be muhajir on your own land. Before 1947 there was no Pakistan. Anyone who moved around in Punjab moved around in their own land and cannot be considered muhajirs because there was no border dividing Punjab back then.

@Maula Jatt this guy tryna say people moving around on their own land are muhajirs

I really like his posts, but my man's been making a lot of ignorant, false and unfair generalizations all over this thread but since he is usually good, I didn't wanna call him out on it

Regardless of the genetics (and the findings are very contestable), linguistics and the later religious features, it is true that once upon a time, the people of the area were part of the same religious-cultural milieu that Punjab, Sindh etc, which were part of the greater cultural Hindu sphere. Al-Beruni mentions them as the frontier tribe of the Hindus (in more of a geographical sense, it seems, but it might also have had some religious connotation).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1620398282374803456

I won't comment on the trite Indus thing.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/history-of-pashtuns-updates-and-discussions.465605/
Please share it here , pakhtun members can chime in too as they'll know more about their history than me
(FYI Hindus most likely meant people of the Indus in a geographical sense but it'll derail this thread, we can talk about it in proper history thread)

 

[ThunderCat]

Regardless of the genetics (and the findings are very contestable), linguistics and the later religious features, it is true that once upon a time, the people of the area were part of the same religious-cultural milieu that Punjab, Sindh etc, which were part of the greater cultural Hindu sphere. Al-Beruni mentions them as the frontier tribe of the Hindus (in more of a geographical sense, it seems, but it might also have had some religious connotation). I won't comment on the trite Indus thing.

Somebody calling it "hindu" won't make it so. Europeans might have used a description for distinguishing Christianity from "Native Americanism" but we know there is no such religion.

Native American is more a geographical designation.

No they don’t. Punjabis moving around in their own land are not muhajirs. By your definition millions of Punjabis and whole areas in Punjab will be considered Muhajir. Faisalabad is mostly of east Punjabis who migrated during British times or during partition and they speak their dialect of Punjabi. Does that make the whole city muhajirs? You can’t be muhajir on your own land. Before 1947 there was no Pakistan. Anyone who moved around in Punjab moved around in their own land and cannot be considered muhajirs because there was no border dividing Punjab back then.

Well if Karachi can be seen as Muhajir majority why not Faislabad if what you stated is true? Also i many East Punjabis migrants feel affinity with India, then why should they be exempt?

Muhajirs means people who came from mostly North India, not just UP migrants. Bihar, Rajesthan, East PUnjab, Gujarat count as well.

 

[Sayfullah]

I really like his posts, but my man's been making a lot of ignorant, false and unfair generalizations all over this thread but since he is usually good, I didn't wanna call him out on it

I understand. But calling Punjabis muhajir because they moved around in their own land .

Well if Karachi can be seen as Muhajir majority why not Faislabad if what you stated is true? Also i many East Punjabis migrants feel affinity with India, then why should they be exempt?

East Punjabis moved around in their own land. From one side of Punjab to another. Muhajirs in Karachi moved into foreign land. Punjab is home to Punjabis. You cannot be a muhajir in your own home. Lahore and Amritsar use to be twin cities before partition. East and west Punjab were connected before partition so moving around in Punjab was like moving from Lahore to Faisalabad. East Punjabis do not feel affinity with india, they feel affinity with their land which is Punjab. My own family we originate from East Punjab and migrated before partition was even an idea, to Faisalabad and then to Sindh all within the last 100-150 years. When my family/ancestors first migrated from East Punjab to Faisalabad there was no such thing or idea of Pakistan. They moved within their land and were locals not muhajirs. The affinity is towards the land they originate from not to any country. East Punjab is occupied by india and no true Punjabi can accept it as part of india. I wouldn’t say anything if a muhajir from UP or Bihar now living in Karachi, has affinity to the place they originate from. There is nothing wrong with loving the land you originate from. We love the land not the current rulers of it.

Muhajirs means people who came from mostly North India, not just UP migrants. Bihar, Rajesthan, East PUnjab, Gujarat count as well.

You cannot be a muhajir if you move around in your own home. When Punjab was one people had families on both sides of Punjab and would travel frequently back and fourth. Tribes were on both sides of the border. How does it make one a muhajir if he left east Punjab to live with his own tribe his own kind in west Punjab? East Punjabis are more native to Punjab than anyone else. Punjab is open to everyone from every ethnicity but Punjabis have first right to the land of Punjab.
And we have to remember back then there was no border dividing Punjab. Now the context is different and if a Punjabi from east Punjab migrates now to Pakistan he can be considered muhajir because there is a border now. Before there was no border.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

Europeans might have used a description for distinguishing Christianity from "Native Americanism" but we know there is no such religion.

What? Which European ever talked of any "Native Americanism"? What the **** are you talking about? You seem out of your depth and ignorant of what you're talking about. Try harder next time.

 

[ThunderCat]

What? Which European ever talked of any "Native Americanism"? What the **** are you talking about? You seem out of your depth and ignorant of what you're talking about. Try harder next time.

I meant as in Native American religions. They distinguished them from Christianity- fully knowing that Native Americans do not constitute a religious group.

 

[ThunderCat]

East Punjabis moved around in their own land. From one side of Punjab to another. Muhajirs in Karachi moved into foreign land. Punjab is home to Punjabis. You cannot be a muhajir in your own home. Lahore and Amritsar use to be twin cities before partition. East and west Punjab were connected before partition so moving around in Punjab was like moving from Lahore to Faisalabad. East Punjabis do not feel affinity with india, they feel affinity with their land which is Punjab. My own family we originate from East Punjab and migrated before partition was even an idea, to Faisalabad and then to Sindh all within the last 100-150 years. When my family/ancestors first migrated from East Punjab to Faisalabad there was no such thing or idea of Pakistan. They moved within their land and were locals not muhajirs. The affinity is towards the land they originate from not to any country. East Punjab is occupied by india and no true Punjabi can accept it as part of india. I wouldn’t say anything if a muhajir from UP or Bihar now living in Karachi, has affinity to the place they originate from. There is nothing wrong with loving the land you originate from. We love the land not the current rulers of it.

Firstly it is a problem if they are more loyal to the country they came from. People like you love your religion and the country you came from, but not the country that took you in?

Secondly the construction of Punjab from a geographical region into a provincial district is the work of the British. And, from what I read, they played a role in the development of modern standard Punjabi & Sindhi which were nothing but a series of dialects.

 

[PradoTLC]

Indians in the comments

Whole comment section is insulting them but these Afghans are still begging it

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No respect for their Afghan brothers , I really don't understand why we keep these rètards in Pakistan when they simp for India so badly

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some people have no good options.. what a sad thing.. wanting to go to india?..

 

[TheSolution]

Firstly it is a problem if they are more loyal to the country they came from. People like you love your religion and the country you came from, but not the country that took you in?

Where did you get this idea from? Who said they don't love the country that "took" them "in"?