Taliban chief says victory in Afghanistan "close"

[mikkix]

although i dont agree with your idea, but even if nato has such a plan, what is best solution for afghanistan? bear in mind that any changes happening in Afghanistna will directly affect pakistan too, be it good or bad.

It is now become a mess,,,,
I think Na and militant group should wiped out and Afghanistan should be control of Afghani people without any party called taliban or Na..
There is should not be any groups...

 

[Ahmad]

It is now become a mess,,,,
I think Na and militant group should wiped out and Afghanistan should be control of Afghani people without any party called taliban or Na..
There is should not be any groups...

there is no any military group except the taliban who are active in military activities. yes, arms are in the hands of people which is common for a country like afghanistan seeing a war of decades, this klashinkov culture is also common in many many places of paksitan too.

 

[mikkix]

there is no any military group except the taliban who are active in military activities. yes, arms are in the hands of people which is common for a country like afghanistan seeing a war of decades, this klashinkov culture is also common in many many places of paksitan too.

No brother anti taliban/other militant/Na groups have weapons too under the umbrella of Nato...
But the thing is those terrorist(NA) have a legitimate support, It is just a question of likings and dislikings or interests...

 

[Ahmad]

No brother anti taliban/other militant/Na groups have weapons too under the umbrella of Nato...
But the thing is those terrorist(NA) have a legitimate support, It is just a question of likings and dislikings or interests...

After the nato came to afghanistan, the UN and ISAF collected all the heavy weaponry from the people, unless you have got a new information with a source please do share it with us.

 

[xyz]

This time northern alliance have collective support of US, NATO and India!
Taliban cannot defeat them.

we have not sent any troops there, our involvement is only restricted to civil works as far as I know.

 

[mikkix]

After the nato came to afghanistan, the UN and ISAF collected all the heavy weaponry from the people, unless you have got a new information with a source please do share it with us.

Are you really a Afghani Bro,,,
You know what UN and World powers did to you and you seems to believe them again..

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

Now where did I say the US won!? read it again

did i say they won i dont think so what i meant was the possibility of there win, there is a difference

 

[graphican]

Hello graphican,

The trouble was, they had harbored Bin Laden and organization. The US was in the middle of trying to figure out a way of negotiating with the Taliban in turning over Bin Laden for attacks that had preceded the events of 9-11. (See the attacks in Africa and the 2000 USS Cole bombing) Then after the event of a military attack on a very non military target (Twin towers), all negotiations were off.

I can only speculate that the Taliban was not aware of what Bin Laden and his organization was planning, otherwise... if they had any diplomatic tact, they would have dropped him like the hot potato he was and the US and it's allied coalition would have had absolutely no reason in being in Afghanistan.

As for Pakistan becoming more stabilized after or whenever the US leaves the country, i highly doubt that will occur. Too much has changed and transpired since 2001 for that to happen. Pakistan's best bet would be to work with and not against other countries in the region, as well as with a few form outside the region, in helping to make any Afghanistan government that is in place a more stable one.

Regards

Spare this world with this non-sense now. Osama bin ladin wasn't worse than Americans who burn bodies of the dead. Second, Osama-bin-Ladin is not charged for the attacks on world-trade-centers. What is making mindless Americans chase him? It is a myth that he attacked America.. go ask your countrymen if they believe what you are trying to sell here.

Third - Osama wasn't Afghan. Why are you punishing Afghans for the supposed misdeeds of an arab? Utter-.*&^%W!

And last, this is not talk of Osma-bin-Ladin and what suits America. For us, Americans can dwell in graves or coffins, what matters to us is our security and for that, we need our "best friends" either killed or beaten out of Afghanistan. Afghanistan belongs to Afghans and they are the pride and legitimate owners. America has no business how they treat themselves in their country.

Under Taliban's rule in Afghanistan, Pakistan had nothing to worry about its western border and Mullah Omer hasn't been involved in anything that happen to Country after Americans invaded. Osma has declared war against Pakistan and he may well be killed but Taliban are Afghans who has been very cozy towards Pakistan and we need Pro-Pakistan government there for our own good sake.

 

[Jigs]

Are you really a Afghani Bro,,,
You know what UN and World powers did to you and you seems to believe them again..

He also knows what the Taliban did. Do you ?

 

[Panther]

Second, Osama-bin-Ladin is not charged for the attacks on world-trade-centers. What is making mindless Americans chase him? It is a myth that he attacked America.. go ask your countrymen if they believe what you are trying to sell here.

Hello again graphican,

Kind of hard to charge him when there are those willing enough to run interference for him, including a few people from my own country. If he is innocent, then he has absolutely nothing to be afraid of, not even from the victors justice; By running and hiding he is only confirming the worst of fears! Unfortunately however, as to the myth that Osama has ever attacked the US? Possession of Documents in his own words dispel the falsity of the claim. Anyway, i am not trying to or even remotely interested in selling anything.

Third - Osama wasn't Afghan. Why are you punishing Afghans for the supposed misdeeds of an arab? Utter-.*&^%W!

Of course not. I've known for quite some time that he is from Saudi Arabia. Your assumption towards me seems kind of strange in saying that i am punishing Afghans for the alleged atrocities of an Arab? I derive no joy from war or the suffering of others. Whether or not you believe that, i leave up to you?

And last, this is not talk of Osma-bin-Ladin and what suits America. For us, Americans can dwell in graves or coffins, what matters to us is our security and for that, we need our "best friends" either killed or beaten out of Afghanistan. Afghanistan belongs to Afghans and they are the pride and legitimate owners. America has no business how they treat themselves in their country.

I am not sure that i quite understand the comment of "Americans can dwell in graves or coffins" or the paragraph in general? But two things i think we can agree on, is that Afghanistan does indeed belong to the Afghans, and nobody else; And Pakistan's stability and security is of the utmost importance to Pakistan and the US!

Under Taliban's rule in Afghanistan, Pakistan had nothing to worry about its western border and Mullah Omer hasn't been involved in anything that happen to Country after Americans invaded.

In the short term perhaps, but in the long run... nothing is ever permanently guaranteed, especially once a proxy declares it's independence! In fact....

Osma has declared war against Pakistan and he may well be killed but Taliban are Afghans who has been very cozy towards Pakistan and we need Pro-Pakistan government there for our own good sake.

As i understand it so far, and please feel free to correct me if i am wrong, but Afghanistan Taliban are mainly made up of Pashtuns(sp?) who were cozy with Pakistani Pashtuns(sp?) and not Pakistan in general. Whether the current war had ever started in the area, who is too say that the Afghanistan Taliban would not have eventually made a claim to Pakistan northern regions dominated by many Pashtun tribes?

Regards,

 

[mikkix]

He also knows what the Taliban did. Do you ?

What taliban did before american invasion???

 

[Chogy]

What taliban did before american invasion???

Uhh, beat women who weren't dressed like beehives and escorted by male family? Paint windows black so that any glimpse of a female is prohibited? Beat any male without a beard? Cut off heads in soccer stadiums? Beat women who talk back? Destroy schools where any whiff of estrogen is present?

They DID do one constructive thing... they suppressed small anarchy-groups who were criminals. That is normally the job of a national police force. But the price paid for this stability was very expensive.

It is very easy to say "Let the Taliban rule. Our border will be secure. The invaders will be out." But by their very nature, the taliban seek a world where their particular (and quite warped) interpretation of Sharia law is exported. Iran and Pakistan will be in their sights, among others. And they will shelter extremists, as they did bin Laden and his crowd. The danger is NOT limited to Afghanistan. It won't magically stay within those borders.

 

[Developereo]

The problem with this debate, and this thread, is that people believe in naive idealisms.

The fact of the matter is that, given Afghanistan's geographical position in the region, it will not be left alone. It would be naive of Pakistan to leave Afghanistan alone given the 100% certainty that India will use it as a proxy to cause trouble in Pakistan. If the Afghans had demonstrated responsibility and independence in the past, then the onus would on Pakistan to leave Afghanistan alone. However, Afghanistan has been an active and troublesome Indian poodle even since independence, so it is in Pakistan's national security interests to keep Afghanistan in check.

As such, the primary responsibility for Afghanistan's miseries lies with the Afghans themselves, for letting their country become an Indian poodle.

The lack of ability or interest on the part of Americans and other distant foreigners to understand this basic dynamic is the root cause of their inability to 'resolve' the Afghanistan problem.

 

[Ahmad]

Are you really a Afghani Bro,,,
You know what UN and World powers did to you and you seems to believe them again..

Yes i am afghan, i believe my eyes and experience.

 

[Ras]

Maybe Mullah Omar should not talk brave hiding like a *** in a cave.The war will be over when he is hanging at the end of a rope.