Taliban Bhutto: Unsanction Taliban & Help Them Build a Professional Military

BilaLOL says we need to help them build a military capable of taking on terrorist threats. He also said to unsanction them.

Yet more proof, that contrary to the faujeets, nakami league cultists & other general morons here who blamed Pak's pro-IEA policy on iMrAn nIAzI, it's actually state policy. So no, your wet dreams of your army going in & teaching them a lesson will remain wet dreams.

Best you delusional twats realize that not even your establishment thinks it's worth stirring a hornet's nest. Only way forward is through continuous engagement.

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[FuturePAF]

Looks like mature view.

Everyone is going to have to come around to some level of normalization when they realize the cost and potential futility for any alternative. The costs to isolating Afghanistan are the next highest in Pakistan, after Afghanistan itself.

I don’t agree that we should support helping their military, only help them keep law and order, if only to prevent others from filing this role. But supporting their state function, while keeping their “military” still at the militia level is probably the best course of action, IMHO.

Maintaining the connection between Afghanistan and the outside world through trade and incentives is the best way to make it worth their while to stay good neighbors. The afghans don’t have to like Pakistan or accept the border, they just don’t have to challenge it. We need to always retain the ability to carry out punitive strikes if they forget it.

So in this incident we can say Bilawal is looking at the national interests the same way his mother did, when accepting the Taliban control parts of Afghanistan and we have to deal with them to achieve our national interests. But in my opinion, Bilalwal should not get carried away in what he says. Pakistan needs to stop carrying Afghanistan’s water. Have we not learned, we don’t need to be forever internationally maligned by incidents in Afghanistan by being seen supporting them, especially when they aren’t even willing to accept the border.
Let the Afghans be answerable for their own government.

If Pakistan is to help the Afghans and help the Talibs government survive and have a chance at international recognition, they need to support our needs for a rail link between Peshawar and Uzbekistan ASAP, and start opening up mining contracts for Pakistani and international (especially western and GCC) firms. Then any external supporters of Daesh will have to back off, knowing the interests of the West, GCC, and China are invested in Afghan trade, because they wouldn’t want to take on the three largest trading entities. If the Afghans help us become more useful to the world, we can be more useful for the Afghans

 

[TheSolution]

So what does this tell you? If IK and PDM have the same idea about the savages, that they can be our friends and Pakistan and the world needs to do more for them, are you sure that isn't the same idea that the establishment has. esp since it's the main driver of Pakistan's foreign policy.

I don't personality worship, I judge by policies plus I've never favoured PDM ever. But it seems they are no different from IK in this regard which means this is GHQs desire

Everyone is going to have to come around to some level of normalization when they realize the cost and potential futility for any alternative. The costs to isolating Afghanistan are the next highest in Pakistan, after Afghanistan itself.

I don’t agree that we should support helping their military. But supporting their state function, while keeping their “military” still at the militia level is probably the best course of action, IMHO.

Maintaining the connection between Afghanistan and the outside world through trade and incentives is the best way to make it worth their while to stay good neighbors. The afghans don’t have to like Pakistan or accept the border, they just don’t have to challenge it. We need to always retain the ability to carry out punitive strikes if they forget it.

So in this incident we can say Bilawal is looking at the national interests the same way his mother did, when accepting the Taliban control parts of Afghanistan and we have to deal with them to achieve our national interests. But in my opinion, Bilalwal should not get carried away in what he says.

What you're suggesting is like keeping the snake in your backyard but trying to tame it. It's going to be a constant threat especially as it grows stronger and possibly gains the ability to push back. (Once their state functions grow stronger it's almost a given they will raise the Pashtunistan issue diplomatically and try to influence KPK both covertly and overtly)

True security would be to kill the snake entirely and sleep peacefully. We are playing with fire right now and losing our position of strength given how deeply their sympathisers are in Pakistan.

 

[Azadkashmir]

He wants to be manhandled by those 3 talibaniz who just got their pilots license.

man fisted.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Their is no objectivity in comments here..
How low the pdf has fallen.

 

[FuturePAF]

I don't personality worship, I judge by policies plus I've never favoured PDM ever. But it seems they are no different from IK in this regard which means this is GHQs desire


What you're suggesting is like keeping the snake in your backyard but trying to tame it. It's going to be a constant threat especially as it grows stronger and possibly gains the ability to push back. (Once their state functions grow stronger it's almost a given they will raise the Pashtunistan issue diplomatically and try to influence KPK both covertly and overtly)

True security would be to kill the snake entirely and sleep peacefully. We are playing with fire right now and losing our position of strength given how deeply their sympathisers are in Pakistan.

That is why it’s a three part process. First bring in the world to build up the trade corridors and start the mining. Then spend our revenue to build up our side of the border into the society many people would want to live in, slowly reorienting society towards economic development and human development. Finally, maintaining a military disparity between us and the Afghans, by maintaining international arms sanctions on the Afghans. They can have the means to police themselves, and have civilian helicopters, but nothing that can be used to threaten their neighbors.

Over time, the Afghan society will liberalize, their birth rates will drop, and they will be more careful with how they use their people. At the same time, the Pakistani military will have modernized to be able to do punitive strikes and maintain the border defenses.

 

[Erieye]

That is why it’s a three part process. First bring in the world to build up the trade corridors and start the mining. Then spend our revenue to build up our side of the border into the society many people would want to live in, slowly reorienting society towards economic development and human development. Finally, maintaining a military disparity between us and the Afghans, by maintaining international arms sanctions on the Afghans. They can have the means to police themselves, and have civilian helicopters, but nothing that can be used to threaten their neighbors.

Over time, the Afghan society will liberalize, their birth rates will drop, and they will be more careful with how they use their people. At the same time, the Pakistani military will have modernized to be able to do punitive strikes and maintain the border defenses.

this is good but u seem to ignore the rise in pasthun ethnonationalism from afghanistan, even if they liberalise. there are many ways for them to destabilise pakistan which are non-military by nature (the same reason why we have been soft on them rather than treating them like an enemy). you need to research more into our history with them, in the past they dropped leaflets by air into pashtun areas trying to incite them into the idea of "pashtunistan" and pick up arms against other ethnicities, they would use radios for propgaganda etc.

afghanistan is better kept underdeveloped and tribal to create an ideological societal divide. and just keep international arms sanction on them with increased border security.

honestly total anihilation of border regions is best idea...

 

[hussain0216]

this is good but u seem to ignore the rise in pasthun ethnonationalism from afghanistan, even if they liberalise. there are many ways for them to destabilise pakistan which are non-military by nature (the same reason why we have been soft on them rather than treating them like an enemy). you need to research more into our history with them, in the past they dropped leaflets by air into pashtun areas trying to incite them into the idea of "pashtunistan" and pick up arms against other ethnicities, they would use radios for propgaganda etc.

afghanistan is better kept underdeveloped and tribal to create an ideological societal divide. and just keep international arms sanction on them with increased border security.

honestly total anihilation of border regions is best idea...

And this is what the Afghan Republic forced us into

They were openly anti Pakistan, supported India and worked with pashtun nationalists like Khattaks, Dawars, Ali wazir etc

That's why the fall of the Afghan Republic pulled out the rug from underneath multiple enemies including India, afghans, pashtun nationalists

Afghans will always be a problem in whichever form they come, they are just a useless people



But keeping them isolated helps our purpose,

Blocking India is also essential, they tried for years to try and go around, open alternative ways to try and get minerals out of Afghanistan, and blocking them from Afghanistan or central Asia is important

 

[FuturePAF]

this is good but u seem to ignore the rise in pasthun ethnonationalism from afghanistan, even if they liberalise. there are many ways for them to destabilise pakistan which are non-military by nature (the same reason why we have been soft on them rather than treating them like an enemy). you need to research more into our history with them, in the past they dropped leaflets by air into pashtun areas trying to incite them into the idea of "pashtunistan" and pick up arms against other ethnicities, they would use radios for propgaganda etc.

afghanistan is better kept underdeveloped and tribal to create an ideological societal divide. and just keep international arms sanction on them with increased border security.

honestly total anihilation of border regions is best idea...

This is why step 2 is building up KPK to be a cultural firebreak against the Afghans and their irredentist designs. As long as people see themselves by their ethnicities first and not as Pakistani first, the threat will always be there. 70% of Pashtuns live in Pakistan, so most of our efforts have to be in our own country. Foreigners only exploit fissures in our society if we leave them in place and don’t address them.

Border controls and arms control will over time decrease the number of unregistered guns (or at least the ammo) in circulation.

This is a multi-generational approach, that has to be implemented ASAP while the afghans don’t have alternative international partners and pathways to economic growth. We just need them to be functional enough to keep the peace and provide for their people (with hopes refugees can have a country to go back to). I agree, we don’t need to interfere in their internal affairs and strength them beyond their tribal structures, other than what I pointed out. Having a developing KPK will itself be a majority Pashtun society, Right across the border, that can be host to ideological alternatives in the framework of a democracy. People to people contact will itself hold a mirror to their society.

 

[Erieye]

This is why step 2 is building up KPK to be a cultural firebreak against the Afghans and their irredentist designs. As long as people see themselves by their ethnicities first and not as Pakistani first, the threat will always be there. 70% of Pashtuns live in Pakistan, so most of our efforts have to be in our own country. Foreigners only exploit fissures in our society if we leave them in place and don’t address them.

very sensitive issue, one miscalculation or something doesn't go as planned u could start 71 like scenario cause of afghans.

this is why say choose the secure route and anihilate border areas and end this endless cat and mouse game.

 

[FuturePAF]

very sensitive issue, one miscalculation or something doesn't go as planned u could start 71 like scenario cause of afghans.

this is why say choose the secure route and anihilate border areas and end this endless cat and mouse game.

Agree that it is a sensitive matter. So we should be careful saying things like “annihilate the border areas”. We should just get serious at fortify it. We also need to work out secure routes to Central Asia. Preferably a route directly to China would be best, but we can’t afford to fund the $15 billion rail link. Besides leveraging a link through Afghanistan and opening up the mineral resources can pay off in multiple ways, which serve many unfulfilled Pakistani interests.

The fence can be the border, and 50 meters behind it can be a border wall made of shipping containers with guard towers every so often. A road can run between the fence and the shipping containers for the border guards to use as their means to enforce the border. It wouldn’t be cheap even if 40 foot shipping containers cost $2000, but it would be more solid then the fence and quick to erect then concrete T walls.

 

[Srinivas]

Afghanistan should be stable and prosperous as per the wishes of Afghan people.

 

[hussain0216]

Afghanistan should be stable and prosperous as per the wishes of Afghan people.

It will be eventually, but they need to see sense, work and respect their neighbours and not allow enemies like hindutva to utilise Afghanistan against their neighbours

If they had done this over the last 20 years they wouldn't be in this position now

 

[doorstar]

Aren't these the same scumbags that used to attack Imran Khan for being Taliban Khan?

that was for supporting the Pakistani talibunnies within Pakistan. the freak even vowed to avenge talibunny deaths by hurting Pakistan army and amreeka, if it was not for fat fawad, taliban khan would have hanged Gen. Musharraf and then dragged his body

no worries about training afgani army, if Pakistanis don't Indians will

 

[Menace2Society]

You pressure Talibs to make their TTP assets stand down, accept durand line as a hard border and then think about building their army with a regime which is pro Pakistani. I can honestly say the Pakistani elite rulers are f**king idiots. There is zero intellect.

 

[Ssan]

this is good but u seem to ignore the rise in pasthun ethnonationalism from afghanistan, even if they liberalise. there are many ways for them to destabilise pakistan which are non-military by nature (the same reason why we have been soft on them rather than treating them like an enemy). you need to research more into our history with them, in the past they dropped leaflets by air into pashtun areas trying to incite them into the idea of "pashtunistan" and pick up arms against other ethnicities, they would use radios for propgaganda etc.

afghanistan is better kept underdeveloped and tribal to create an ideological societal divide. and just keep international arms sanction on them with increased border security.

honestly total anihilation of border regions is best idea...

Thinking out loud, is it possible to simply annex the areas on the border and establish a buffer so that they can’t affect on the other side of the border? Why can’t we enforce the border as it is?