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Taking over Pakistan controlled Kashmir is war with China and Pakistan​

While there is no doubt that New Delhi has made a resolve that the entire Jammu and Kashmir is part of India, be it Pakistan-Controlled Kashmir or China-held Aksai Chin, a more nuanced narrative is required to understand what are the repercussions of getting back Azad Kashmir.

New Delhi,UPDATED: Dec 12, 2022 12:26 IST

Now that elections are over, we may hear less of ‘India is ready to take over Azad Kashmir’, but wait for the next round of polls. This might make a comeback.

While there is no doubt that New Delhi has made a resolve that the entire Jammu and Kashmir is part of India, be it Azad Kashmir or China-held Aksai Chin, a more nuanced narrative is required to understand what are the repercussions of getting back Azad Kashmir.

There is a Parliamentary resolution of 1994 passed in both houses that says the entire Jammu & Kashmir and Ladakh are an integral part of India. The map of India also shows the entire region within the geographical boundaries of the country.

However, things are different on the ground, with both China and Pakistan in possession of these areas. It’s time we cut the hyperbole and let the citizens know the actual ground situation.

To put it simply, India faces the threat of China and Pakistan coming together in a scenario like this. India’s action in Azad Kashmir will likely prompt a Chinese intervention.

China’s economic and strategic interests in Azad Kashmir have almost turned parts of the region into a Chinese colony.

This is even more significant in the wake of the statement made by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, “This is not an era of war.”

Pakistan ceded Shaksgam Valley which is north of the Siachen Glacier, held by India in 1963, which paved the way for the Karakoram Highway by Pakistan and China.

To the west of Siachen Glacier is the Gilgit-Balitistan region or the northern areas under Pakistani control. To the west of India’s J&K is what Pakistan refers to as Azad Kashmir.

In the current context, there is too much at stake for China as it looks to expand the China Pakistan Economic Corridor which cuts through areas occupied by Kashmir.

CPEC is a bilateral project between China and Pakistan with a large network of roads, railways and pipelines spanning across 3000 km that will facilitate trade between China, Pakistan and other countries in the region.

The project aims to enhance infrastructure in Pakistan and also connect China’s Xinjiang province to ports like Gwadar and Karachi in Pakistan, giving a fillip to trade between the two countries. Pictures of Chinese PLA soldiers have emerged guarding CPEC projects.

Xinjiang borders India’s Ladakh and CPEC cuts through the strategic Karakoram Range going into Pakistan. The 1300 km long Karakoram Highway connects China and Pakistan across the Karakoram mountains, making it the highest paved international road in the world.

The Karakoram Pass is north of Ladakh and is strategic for India and China as it falls on the boundary between the Indian Territory of Ladakh and China's Xinjiang autonomous region in Tibet. The all-critical Siachen Glacier under Indian control falls in the Eastern Karakoram Range. Other countries bordering Xinjiang are Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Russia, and Mongolia to the northeast.

The official launch of CPEC took place on April 20, 2015, when Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Chinese President Xi Jinping signed 51 agreements and Memorandums of Understanding with a combined value of $46 billion.

China has been eyeing to extend the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) which is the flagship project of CPEC. BRI is the new name for the earlier OBOR, One Belt One Road CPEC and another five corridors which deliver infrastructure development in more than 65 countries, accounting for 60% of the world’s population and 40% of global GDP, according to the CPEC website

The US withdrawal from Afghanistan and takeover by the Taliban has prompted China to push forward its cherished dream of extending the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to Kabul.

Former Indian Air Force Chief RKS Bhadauria, when in service while speaking at an event in 2020, said, Pakistan is becoming a pawn in Chinese policy and could use the country to enter Afghanistan after the exit of US forces.

“The US exit from Afghanistan has opened options for China in the region, both direct and through Pakistan, allowing it entry into Central Asia, a region they have been eyeing for long,” he said.

India is closely tracking China’s response to developments in Afghanistan and sources say Beijing is looking at opportunities to exploit Pakistan for enhancing its reach in the war-torn country.

According to reviews by the security establishment in India, China has once again proposed the construction of the Peshawar-Kabul motorway as an extension of CPEC in Afghanistan.

With this kind of foothold in the Azad Kashmir, it’s unlikely that the Chinese will sit back and see a military operation in the region. Chinese aggression in eastern Ladakh is part of its ploy to deny India any chance of dominating the Karakoram Highway, among others.

The developments in Eastern Ladakh since May 2020 are a clear indication of Chinese intentions and it is certainly not limited to Aksai Chin.

https://www.indiatoday.in/opinion-c...china-and-pakistan-opinion-2308077-2022-12-12
 
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Taking over Pakistan controlled Kashmir is war with China and Pakistan​

While there is no doubt that New Delhi has made a resolve that the entire Jammu and Kashmir is part of India, be it Pakistan-Controlled Kashmir or China-held Aksai Chin, a more nuanced narrative is required to understand what are the repercussions of getting back Azad Kashmir.

New Delhi,UPDATED: Dec 12, 2022 12:26 IST

Now that elections are over, we may hear less of ‘India is ready to take over Azad Kashmir’, but wait for the next round of polls. This might make a comeback.

While there is no doubt that New Delhi has made a resolve that the entire Jammu and Kashmir is part of India, be it Azad Kashmir or China-held Aksai Chin, a more nuanced narrative is required to understand what are the repercussions of getting back Azad Kashmir.

There is a Parliamentary resolution of 1994 passed in both houses that says the entire Jammu & Kashmir and Ladakh are an integral part of India. The map of India also shows the entire region within the geographical boundaries of the country.

However, things are different on the ground, with both China and Pakistan in possession of these areas. It’s time we cut the hyperbole and let the citizens know the actual ground situation.

To put it simply, India faces the threat of China and Pakistan coming together in a scenario like this. India’s action in Azad Kashmir will likely prompt a Chinese intervention.

China’s economic and strategic interests in Azad Kashmir have almost turned parts of the region into a Chinese colony.

This is even more significant in the wake of the statement made by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, “This is not an era of war.”

Pakistan ceded Shaksgam Valley which is north of the Siachen Glacier, held by India in 1963, which paved the way for the Karakoram Highway by Pakistan and China.

To the west of Siachen Glacier is the Gilgit-Balitistan region or the northern areas under Pakistani control. To the west of India’s J&K is what Pakistan refers to as Azad Kashmir.

In the current context, there is too much at stake for China as it looks to expand the China Pakistan Economic Corridor which cuts through areas occupied by Kashmir.

CPEC is a bilateral project between China and Pakistan with a large network of roads, railways and pipelines spanning across 3000 km that will facilitate trade between China, Pakistan and other countries in the region.

The project aims to enhance infrastructure in Pakistan and also connect China’s Xinjiang province to ports like Gwadar and Karachi in Pakistan, giving a fillip to trade between the two countries. Pictures of Chinese PLA soldiers have emerged guarding CPEC projects.

Xinjiang borders India’s Ladakh and CPEC cuts through the strategic Karakoram Range going into Pakistan. The 1300 km long Karakoram Highway connects China and Pakistan across the Karakoram mountains, making it the highest paved international road in the world.

The Karakoram Pass is north of Ladakh and is strategic for India and China as it falls on the boundary between the Indian Territory of Ladakh and China's Xinjiang autonomous region in Tibet. The all-critical Siachen Glacier under Indian control falls in the Eastern Karakoram Range. Other countries bordering Xinjiang are Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Russia, and Mongolia to the northeast.

The official launch of CPEC took place on April 20, 2015, when Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Chinese President Xi Jinping signed 51 agreements and Memorandums of Understanding with a combined value of $46 billion.

China has been eyeing to extend the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) which is the flagship project of CPEC. BRI is the new name for the earlier OBOR, One Belt One Road CPEC and another five corridors which deliver infrastructure development in more than 65 countries, accounting for 60% of the world’s population and 40% of global GDP, according to the CPEC website

The US withdrawal from Afghanistan and takeover by the Taliban has prompted China to push forward its cherished dream of extending the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to Kabul.

Former Indian Air Force Chief RKS Bhadauria, when in service while speaking at an event in 2020, said, Pakistan is becoming a pawn in Chinese policy and could use the country to enter Afghanistan after the exit of US forces.

“The US exit from Afghanistan has opened options for China in the region, both direct and through Pakistan, allowing it entry into Central Asia, a region they have been eyeing for long,” he said.

India is closely tracking China’s response to developments in Afghanistan and sources say Beijing is looking at opportunities to exploit Pakistan for enhancing its reach in the war-torn country.

According to reviews by the security establishment in India, China has once again proposed the construction of the Peshawar-Kabul motorway as an extension of CPEC in Afghanistan.

With this kind of foothold in the Azad Kashmir, it’s unlikely that the Chinese will sit back and see a military operation in the region. Chinese aggression in eastern Ladakh is part of its ploy to deny India any chance of dominating the Karakoram Highway, among others.

The developments in Eastern Ladakh since May 2020 are a clear indication of Chinese intentions and it is certainly not limited to Aksai Chin.

As usual, Indians drink too much snake venom mixed with hallucinogenic cow piss and sour grape juice.
 
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Terrain play a big role as well. Not easy to conquer AJK, also natives will fight against Indians as well.
I am a native of Azad Kashmir and I believe among the few PDF members here who actually belong to AJ&K.
I totally agree with your statement.
1- Terrain is a big problem to enter Azad Kashmir from the Indian-occupied side. It is not an easy task, especially for Indian troops to mobilize here with any sort of heavy machinery.
2- Even if the Indian army succeeds in doing so they have to fight with two different armed groups- the Regular Pakistan army and ''LOCALS''. We have some minor issues with the Pakistan army because of their poor role in this conflict but believe in case a war goes between Pakistan and India over Azad Kashmir, local Kashmiris will back the Pakistan army right to the last man.
3- Hate for India and especially the Indian army is deeply rooted among AJK locals... Partly because of Indian army atrocities on the other side of Kashmir (IOK) and on our side of Kashmir also where they use to shell the civilian population every now and then. Then there is media influence (but that has more truth in it also).
4- Unlike Kashmiris living in Indian-Occupied Kashmir, we, residents of AJK are not used to living under foreign invaders. Any attempt to bring us under Indian control will be disastrous and extremely bloody.
5- The majority of the AJK residents have some sort of arms... especially those who live near LOC have arms and fully know how to use these. In case of any invasion from the Indian side, they will receive any needed ammunition from the Pakistan army also.
6- Locals have another advantage, they know the terrain fully and virtually every household will be like a fortress.
7- And last... Not to mention India will face assault from two major fronts... Pakistan and China. For the Chinese AJK is a recent hub of their investments and also has much strategic value.
 
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Invading AJK is tantamount to suicide for any commander. Armour is incapable of functioning in the mountainous terrain, strategic passes can be choked off through direct fire and guided strikes. Airpower will be negated to a large extent in a full-scale war due to SAMs and the proliferation of modern jets by both airforces. Supply lines will be greatly impacted by precise weapons and heavy artillery fire which can take out whole convoys.

Taking valleys is one thing....................Holding them is entirely different. How will you resist counterattacks by Pakistan Army and fiercely armed locals when you are dozens of miles from basecamp, in the mountains at 2000m above sea level?

Defenders always retain the advantage in a mountainous terrain and Pakistan Army coupled with locals can thwart almost any Indian adventure. There is more than enough firepower to inflict heavy losses and raise the cost to the Nth degree for India should they choose to strike the region.
 
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India is not in a position to confront China. AJK is safe, not because of PA, but because of Pakistani nuclear weapon and China.
What Ignorance ...Try removing PA from AJK and see what happens in next few weeks.. Nuclear standoff can never happen over incursions and enemy taking back territory it lost in 71 or 65..this contradicts the nuclear doctrine as its a disputed region and open for fight and ttake away...one example was kargil conflict. salami slicing and low intensity conflict can never perpetuate a full spectrum kinetic warfare in kashmir . that's exactly why our loc are much more and heavily manned concentration wise than IB .. despite having strategic weapons nothing can replace the importance of manpower
 
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India is in no position to take a inch of Kashmir both from Pakistan and china. Though they recently they have been very generous and given hundreds of miles to China.

And we have been even more generous and given away IOK to India on a silver platter. Hollow statements, ISPR jingles, and street renaming constituted the entirety of our response.
 
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Taking over Pakistan controlled Kashmir is war with China and Pakistan​

While there is no doubt that New Delhi has made a resolve that the entire Jammu and Kashmir is part of India, be it Pakistan-Controlled Kashmir or China-held Aksai Chin, a more nuanced narrative is required to understand what are the repercussions of getting back Azad Kashmir.


Isn't also because India claims Chinese territory along the Ladakh area to be 'part' of Kashmir?
 
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And we have been even more generous and given away IOK to India on a silver platter. Hollow statements, ISPR jingles, and street renaming constituted the entirety of our response.
What happened in 1948 was last and final and now neither side is capable of taking Kashmir from each other because of nukes. Neither side has given each other Kashmir, we took it from Kashmiris.
I would expect a more rationale and mature response from you.
 
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Kashmir is a trilateral issue between India, Pakistan and China. Afghanistan, Tajikistan are also party to the conflict.

Pakistan is ready to host a trilateral summit on Kashmir inviting representatives of Tajikistan and Afghanistan as observers.
One does not simply walk into Mordor, or AJK for that matter. Nor does one simply expect a non-troll response from El Cid.
 
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