Taiwanese students vote to evict statue of late dictator Chiang Kai-shek

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Taiwanese students vote to evict statue of late dictator Chiang Kai-shek
Sun Yat-sen wins enough votes to remain

By Sophia Yang,Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2018/04/20 16:34

The photo shows statues of late President Chiang Kai-shek, left, and founding father Sun Yat-sen, right. (Image Credit: the National Sun Yat-sen Unive

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) - Among strong domestic anti-Chiang sentiment, a prominent national university decided Friday to remove a statue of late President Chiang Kai-shek from its prominent location on campus, following lawmakers' call to remove effigies of Chiang in April, a beheaded Chiang statue in a national park that same month, and splashes of red paint inside Chiang's mausoleum in February.

A vote to decide the fate of Chiang Kai-shek and Sun Yat-sen statues at the National Sun Yat-sen University is also the first of its kind in Taiwan, according to the school.

In a school referendum, 45.54 percent of students gave their votes, which took place between April 16 and 19. On Friday, the college announced that 62.93 percent voted to keep the statue of Sun Yat-sen, the founder of the Republic of China and of the Kuomintang, in the same spot, while only 46.72 percent opted to keep the Chiang Kai-shek statue. In effect, this means that the latter did not garner enough votes to pass the threshold of 50 percent to stay, so the school will move the statue to a less visible location.

Chiang Kai-shek, the leader of the Republic of China and of the Kuomintang from 1927 to 1975, has been labeled as a dictator among a majority of youngsters in Taiwan, and many claim he was responsible for a massacre of political dissidents in 1947 during an uprising against the KMT, later known as the 228 Incident.

The sentiment against Chiang has become stronger over years as more historical documents have been restored or recovered to reveal his role in the massacre, while he ruled Taiwan under Martial Law and imprisoned dissidents. The founding father of the Republic of China, Sun Yat-sen, a physician, is on the other hand, less controversial than Chiang, but still receives criticism for making an unwise deal with Japan during WWI.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

In the article, he's listed as a dictator.

To me, he's a hero of the Chinese people

 

[Beast]

In the article, he's listed as a dictator.

To me, he's a hero of the Chinese people

How is he a hero? He cede concession of land to western, Japanese and Russia. Fully declared war on Japan only by the 1935 incident and fully committed to defend China major only when he saw opportunity of massive aid from USA. His KMT failed in mainland China becos of high corruption due to his policies.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

How is he a hero? He cede concession of land to western, Japanese and Russia. Fully declared war on Japan only by the 1935 incident and fully committed to defend China major only when he saw opportunity of massive aid from USA. His KMT failed in mainland China becos of high corruption due to his policies.

Qing ceded Outer Manchuria to the Russians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Aigun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Peking

Qing ceded Hongkong to the British https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Chuenpi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Nanking

Qing ceded Taiwan to the Japanese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Shimonoseki

how did KMT cede lands to foreigners?

KMT fought the bulk of the war when CCP was still being cornered in the mountains of Yan'an

No KMT = no modern China

 

[Yingluck]

Now CPC official policy is to admit KMT and Chiang Kai Shek positive contribution.

http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2005-09-07/04516878935s.shtml

　　胡锦涛在讲话中专门提到台湾人民对抗战的贡献，他说：“在日本侵占台湾的半个世纪里，台湾同胞不断进行反抗，共有65万人壮烈牺牲。”

　　胡锦涛还承认蒋介石领导的

国民党军队在正面战场上“组织了一系列大仗，特别是全国抗战初期的淞沪、忻口、徐州、武汉等战役，给日军以沉重打击”。

　　胡锦涛说：“中国国民党和中国共产党领导的抗日军队，分别担负着

抗日战争中正面战场和敌后战场的作战任务，形成了共同抗击日本侵略者的战略态势。”他还把抗战中阵亡的国民党高级将领佟麟阁、赵登禹、张自忠、戴安澜，以及国民党军“八百壮士”，与共产党的英雄一起并列为“中国人民不畏强暴、英勇抗战的杰出代表”。

　　新华社昨天也报道题为“国民党军队为抗战胜利所作贡献受到积极肯定”的消息。报道说，描写当年国民政府正面抗击日本侵略的图书《国殇》、电影《铁血》等热销、热映，大陆迄今惟一一个“国民党抗日军队馆”，“国军馆”的设计方案顺利通过中共宣传部门的审批，于8月15日在四川成都市大邑县安仁镇开放。

 

[Jlaw]

In the article, he's listed as a dictator.

To me, he's a hero of the Chinese people

The problem with Chiang is he has a reputation as a coward. The west did not respect him and secretly nicknamed Chiang "peanuts" .
And depending on the sources, he only fought the Japanese when shit hit the fan but he was more dedicated fighting Communist. The Nanjing massacre was the result of KMT's lack of aggression to the Japanese.

 

[Yingluck]

The problem with Chiang is he has a reputation as a coward. The west did not respect him and secretly nicknamed Chiang "peanuts" .
And depending on the sources, he only fought the Japanese when shit hit the fan but he was more dedicated fighting Communist. The Nanjing massacre was the result of KMT's lack of aggression to the Japanese.

The Shanghai campaign decimate every single KMT crack unit. Chiang did not conserve any effort.

The Nanjing campaign is a failure for the retreating unit to reorg. The commanding officer was Tang Shengzhi, a warlord, who is not Whampoa clique.

After Shanghai campaign, KMT are not able to initiate offensive because China was not industrialize. Meanwhile Japan overstretched.

The result was stalemate.

Things start changing after massive USA support poured in. But the airlift logistic and Myanmar road logistic came too late.

Nevertheless, the elite KMT troop armed and train and supply by USA in India, the new 1st and new 6th, are better than Japanese elite unit in Myanmar theatre.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

The problem with Chiang is he has a reputation as a coward. The west did not respect him and secretly nicknamed Chiang "peanuts" .
And depending on the sources, he only fought the Japanese when shit hit the fan but he was more dedicated fighting Communist. The Nanjing massacre was the result of KMT's lack of aggression to the Japanese.

i look at his contributions overall. He has his pros and cons.

on a nett scale, his KMT ultimately won the war for the Chinese

Also, the failure of the KMT to resist the Japanese early on was due to the already weak structure of CHina as a whole, who has just shedded 4000 years of imperial rule not too long ago. Industrialization was hardly present in the country.

 

[Yingluck]

If Mao conduct the Korean war without Russian support, PLA will win 1st 2nd 3rd campaign at the most -- due to element of surprise.

The 4th and 5th campaign will be complete defeat.

By the time of 4th and 5th campaign, it turns into war of attrition.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

If Mao conduct the Korean war without Russian support, PLA will win 1st 2nd 3rd campaign at the most -- due to element of surprise.

The 4th and 5th campaign will be complete defeat.

oh now u r vietnamese?? where's ur Singaporean flag? what next? Indian flag?

 

[Yingluck]

oh now u r vietnamese?? where's ur Singaporean flag?

I am a nomod always moving within the region. I mentioned that long time.

 

[Jlaw]

i look at his contributions overall. He has his pros and cons.

on a nett scale, his KMT ultimately won the war for the Chinese

Also, the failure of the KMT to resist the Japanese early on was due to the already weak structure of CHina as a whole, who has just shedded 4000 years of imperial rule. Industrialization was hardly present in the country.

KMT started the fight against the Japanese after the Xi'an incident.

oh now u r vietnamese?? where's ur Singaporean flag? what next? Indian flag?

He used to be Luxe de Veritas

 

[Yingluck]

KMT started the fight against the Japanese after the Xi'an incident.

Zhang Xueliang admit he is the coward who forgo Manchuria. And he push the blame on Chiang.

Who can command Manchurian army?

Definitely not Chiang Kaishek.

 

[Beast]

Qing ceded Outer Manchuria to the Russians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Aigun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Peking

Qing ceded Hongkong to the British https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Chuenpi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Nanking

Qing ceded Taiwan to the Japanese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Shimonoseki

how did KMT cede lands to foreigners?

KMT fought the bulk of the war when CCP was still being cornered in the mountains of Yan'an

No KMT = no modern China

Qing cede lands to Japanese and British was becos of lost of war not becos they had option. Chiang cede the Dalian port to Soviet when he can simply refused it but becos of exhange of aid, he agrees it. Chiang also refused to fight Japanese in 1931 when they entered Manchuria.

Modern China is not started by Chiang but by KMT of Sun Yat Sen and credit also need to give Communist party for the revolution. Chiang basically running a dictator style of government and indulge himself in luxury and had close connection with the rich and elite. He lost touch with the mass of Chinese especially the peasants which were the bulk of China.

 

[Yingluck]

Qing cede lands to Japanese and British was becos of lost of war not becos they had option. Chiang cede the Dalian port to Soviet when he can simply refused it but becos of exhange of aid, he agrees it. Chiang also refused to fight Japanese in 1931 when they entered Manchuria.

Modern China is not started by Chiang but by KMT of Sun Yat Sen and credit also need to give Communist party for the revolution. Chiang basically running a dictator style of government and indulge himself in luxury and had close connection with the rich and elite. He lost touch with the mass of Chinese especially the peasants which were the bulk of China.

Chiang cannot command a single Manchurian army in 1931, just like he cannot command all the other warlords.

The traitor is Zhang Xueliang.

Get your facts right.