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Taiwanese, Hong Kongers identify less with China

Yep, as you, our family has been here for over 300 years. As with many Taiwanese here, we still have our family tree book that traces our family history to the mainland, even with the original street address.

Do other Taiwanese have the same sentiments as you about reunification ?

No problem for me. Mainland girls are so beautiful. :smitten:

Vikci Zhao is the only one for me ! :wub:

Dear brother Armstrong, my Mandarin is very good. Almost as good as my Cantonese. :P

English is the one I have a problem with, especially the vocabulary. Oddly enough my grammar is not too bad.

Many happiness.
Much interesting.
Very grammar. :cheesy:

If I see Chinese written somewhere I can't even tell it from Japanese or Korean let alone whether its Mandarin or Cantonese ! :(

Maybe I should take the Mandarin Classes that are offered here in my city; its taught by a Chinese ! :undecided:

And no shes isn't one of you ! :mad:

'Cause shes a Pakistani-Chinese who settled here many decades ago and became one of us ! :pakistan:
 
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Do other Taiwanese have the same sentiments as you about reunification ?

Even the Taiwanese government considers China and Taiwan to be the same country. In the words of the current Taiwanese President, China and Taiwan are "一國兩區" (One country, two regions).

That's why the official name of Taiwan is still the "Republic of China".

The disagreement is who is the true Government of all China. All major countries recognize the PRC as the true representative of China (including the UN and all other international organizations). But the ROC claims to be the legitimate government of China as well, though no major country recognizes it.

Chinese Taipei is our territory, and our Government is frankly being excessively generous in not taking it using military force. But that day will come inevitably, so they will soon have to make the decision whether or not they can live in a China ruled by the CPC, or jump into the sea and swim elsewhere.
 
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Even the Taiwanese government considers China and Taiwan to be the same country. In the words of the current Taiwanese President, China and Taiwan are "一國兩區" (One country, two regions).

That's why the official name of Taiwan is still the "Republic of China".

The disagreement is who is the true Government of all China. All major countries recognize the PRC as the true representative of China (including the UN and all other international organizations). But the ROC claims to be the legitimate government of China as well, though no major country recognizes it.

Chinese Taipei is our territory, and our Government is frankly being excessively generous in not taking it using military force. But that day will come inevitably, so they will soon have to make the decision whether or not they can live in a China ruled by the CPC, or jump into the sea and swim elsewhere.

We got you recognized as the 'real' China through Bhutto - Don't forget that ! :mad:

So I expect an Island to be given to me somewhere in South China Sea as my personal resort ! :smokin:
 
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有本事,解放军过去台湾插根旗。现在连金门都拿不下,还弄个全军覆没。

Hahaha, we just used Jinmen as bait to keep Taiwan.

We can take Taiwan at anytime, but they are now living under our mercy.

Do you think that the US will risk to fight PRC just for the sake of Taiwan?
 
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American Enterprise Institute is headed by Paul Wolfowitz, the arch neocon who orchestrated the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, and now after leaving Iraq in flames, is orchestrating the same kind of chaos in Hong Kong with the assistance of Jimmy Lai. So I think we can take AEI's conclusions with a grain of salt.
 
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American Enterprise Institute is headed by Paul Wolfowitz, the arch neocon who orchestrated the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, and now after leaving Iraq in flames, is orchestrating the same kind of chaos in Hong Kong with the assistance of Jimmy Lai. So I think we can take AEI's conclusions with a grain of salt.

LMAO, these are the same *** clowns who said "The Iraqis will welcome us as liberators." A million dead Iraqis and thousands of dead Americans later, we're still waiting for the welcome. After so terribly misreading the situation in Iraq and completely failing to understand Iraqi sentiments, these morons now want to tell Chinese people whether or not they want to be Chinese? :rofl:

Truly, this article and the one who posted it here are testaments to human intelligence. :disagree:
 
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Hahaha, we just used Jinmen as bait to keep Taiwan.

We can take Taiwan at anytime, but they are now living under our mercy.

Do you think that the US will risk to fight PRC just for the sake of Taiwan?

Jinmen is a good place to attack PRC. 反攻大陆。楚虽三户,亡秦必楚

Right now, while India can smile when there are thousands of protest, PRC cannot even withstand one small protest in HK without destabilizing. PRC is actually quite weak within, 外强中干
 
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Jinmen is a good place to attack PRC. 反攻大陆。楚虽三户,亡秦必楚

Right now, while India can smile when there are thousands of protest, PRC cannot even withstand one small protest in HK without destabilizing. PRC is actually quite weak within, 外强中干

The PRC hasn't had to do anything about the protests at all. The protesters are in an ever diminishing minority and the vast majority of HK hates them. Basically, for the expenditure of zero resources, the PRC has essentially seen the collapse of a foreign supported HK democracy movement. Future foreign instigated attempts at destabilization will have a harder time taking off since people will be more suspicious of anything "democratic." Once again, all this with Beijing having to do literally nothing. Not even pay lip service. Loyal HK Chinese took care of business.

Everywhere else on earth, US instigated/led protesters have resulted in massive violence, deaths, and civil war. From Libya, to Egypt, to the Ukraine. In China, Xi went to get some steamed buns and when he came back, patriotic Hong Kongers were literally beating the snot out of bratty hanjian traitors, with the number of protesters dropping from the hundreds of thousands to maybe a couple of thousand. All with minimal police violence, let alone military involvement. Chinese people protected their country, no matter if they're mainlanders or Hong Kongers. That's what we Chinese people call "Ai Guo." Doesn't matter where they're from, it's Chinese blood that counts. :china: People like you wouldn't understand since you're not full Chinese. Maybe you're part indian or malay or something. Who knows, who cares.
 
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That's what we Chinese people call "Ai Guo."

Exactly. Being a patriot means to "love your country".

Country. Not city, not province. Patriotism means loving your country, and our country is China. :china:

As for Lux de Veritas, he claims to be some sort of mixed race Malay. Maybe he hates Chinese because he was badly bullied by Singaporeans, who are majority ethnic Chinese. But his kind hold no power in this world, that's why they are reduced to such useless ranting.
 
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Jinmen is a good place to attack PRC. 反攻大陆。楚虽三户,亡秦必楚

Right now, while India can smile when there are thousands of protest, PRC cannot even withstand one small protest in HK without destabilizing. PRC is actually quite weak within, 外强中干

So PRC is weak, then what is about ROC? And do you remember who has kicked their a$$?
 
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LMAO, these are the same *** clowns who said "The Iraqis will welcome us as liberators." A million dead Iraqis and thousands of dead Americans later, we're still waiting for the welcome. After so terribly misreading the situation in Iraq and completely failing to understand Iraqi sentiments, these morons now want to tell Chinese people whether or not they want to be Chinese? :rofl:

Truly, this article and the one who posted it here are testaments to human intelligence. :disagree:

The key to criticise this AEI poll is to question it's methodology, it's sample size, the demographic landscape of its samples, how the survey questions was framed, how each terminology was translated, etc. These are all high school level statistics stuff.

You havent shown the ability to engage in that level of criticism, and have only resorted to ad hominem attack. Read and learn how to write criticism and propaganda like this pro-independent western guy below. He criticises that TCF poll posted earlier in this thread. Notice how he first uses ad hominen attacks (e. g. the TCF are a pro-beijing org driven by their own business interests, etc), then moved on to criticise the TCF poll using the method I mentioned before:

When Surveys Become Instruments of Pro-Beijing Propaganda
A recent poll shows unusually high self-identification as Chinese among Taiwanese respondents. Here’s why the results should not be taken seriously.

September 5, 2014
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Forget the more-than-a-decade-long trend, supported by various polls, of rising identification among Taiwanese as “ethnically Taiwanese” and the attendant drop in identification as “Chinese.” A new poll released this week clearly demonstrates that those were all lies. Taiwanese and Chinese regard themselves as one big, happy, Chinese family.

The Taiwan Competitiveness Forum (TCF, 台灣競爭力論壇) poll, whose results the state-run Central News Agency (CNA) reported, both in Chinese and English, shows that 87% of respondents considered themselves “of Chinese ethnicity.” More extraordinarily, the share of respondents who identify as “Chinese,” it said, rose to 53%. Based on those results, the polling firm concluded that the Sunflower Movement had failed and that the government should “seize on the growing amity toward China and continue its push to improve two-way ties” by signing the trade-in-services deal and a subsequent trade-in-goods agreement with China.

Before supporters of a free, democratic Taiwan throw in the towel, there’s a few things they should know. First and foremost, the TCF is a strongly pro-unification think tank that is closely associated with no less a pro-Beijing media empire than Tsai Eng-meng’s (蔡衍明) Want Want China Times Group (旺旺中時集團). Moreover, if previous polls discussed by the Forum are any indication, the firm that conducted the polling on their behalf was Apollo Survey and Research Co Ltd, a subsidiary of … Mr. Tsai’s China Times Group. The same polling firm conducted a survey in March and found that 55% of Taiwanese identified as Chinese. Fifty-seven percent did so in 2013, it claimed (one wonders: if the numbers are stable, how can pollsters conclude that there is “growing amity toward China”?).

Given the fact that Mr. Tsai’s media outlets have a long and highly deplorable tradition of showing flexibility when it comes to the facts, added to the complete absence of information as to the polling methods used in the survey, there is good reason to be skeptical about those results. For one thing — and people who don’t understand Chinese will probably miss the nuance — “Chinese ethnicity” is extremely vague. The term, Zhonghua minzu (中華民族) is about as relevant as, say, asking a white American whether he or she identifies as Caucasian.

More problematic is the “finding” that more than half of Taiwanese identify as Chinese, or Zhongguo ren (中國人), as the poll claims. Besides the fact that this bucks almost every other survey held in Taiwan since the 1990s, which show dropping self-identification as Chinese, we are in the dark as to the actual question(s). Before we can actually conclude that more than half of Taiwanese regard themselves as Chinese, which would have implications for future relations with China, we need to know whether the respondents said only Chinese or, as is often stated in other, more refined polls, Chinese first and Taiwanese second, Taiwanese first and Chinese second, or both. Those are not negligible differences, and one suspects that the polling firm rolled all of them into one in order to meet its agenda.

While the methodology may be opaque, the TCF’s aims are rather transparent: to give the impression abroad that Taiwanese and Chinese societies are analogous and, above all, compatible. After all, if the Taiwanese public sees itself as Chinese, what is the government to do but to adopt policies that reflect those preferences? Conveniently, the TCF panelists had a few suggestions for the government and the opposition Democratic Progressive Party (which must “garner support from locals who believe they are ethnically Chinese”). This including signing the controversial Cross-Strait Services Trade Agreement (CSSTA), which sparked the Sunflower occupation, and a subsequent trade-in-goods agreement with China. Of course, if you want to take those comments seriously, you’d have to ignore the huge conflict of interest that stems from this advice, given that Mr. Tsai’s empire is one of those conglomerates that stands to benefit immensely from those agreements. (In another poll released last week also carried by CNA, the TCF argued that the DPP had to freeze its independence clause to “stabilize” cross-strait relations.)

And as if the aims of the TCF weren’t obvious enough, the TCF panel discussion on Sept. 4 included former KMT legislator Chiu Yi (邱毅), a board member of the Taiwan Institute of Economic Research (TIER, 台灣經濟研究院). As many will remember, Chiu, who also has a tendency to masquerade fabrication as fact, was a very vocal critic of the Sunflower Movement during the occupation (including appearances on China’s CCTV, where he made a fool of himself by failing to tell a difference between sunflowers and bananas). Chiu’s efforts to discredit the Sunflower Movement went further in May, when he accused the activists of being responsible for the May 21 MRT stabbings by “twisting social values” and creating an environment that was conducive to violence.

This isn’t polling. This is the use of numbers reinterpreted to meet specific political (and financial) objectives — in its latest iteration, to push highly problematic cross-strait agreements, corner the DPP, and discredit civil society. This is propaganda, pure and simple. This is the perversion of democratic instruments to undermine democratic principles, a practice that the Chinese Communist Party, which regards democracy as anathema, and its sycophants in the pro-unification camp have refined to an art.

Although people in Taiwan will quickly see through the charade, the danger is that decisionmakers, academics, and journalists overseas, who have neither the granular knowledge nor the language abilities to dig deeper into the matter, will not.



J. Michael Cole is editor in chief of Thinking Taiwan, a senior non-resident fellow at the China Policy Institute, University of Nottingham, and an Associate researcher at the French Center for Research on Contemporary China (CEFC) in Taipei.

- See more at: When Surveys Become Instruments of Pro-Beijing Propaganda | Thinking Taiwan

See how he uses plenty of technical jargons in his criticism. You need to learn from this Michael Cole guy. On PDF, I think there are only 2 or 3 Chinese members who are well-read and knowledgeable enough to give solid arguments to defend a pro- CCP position. The rest should take lessons from that Cole dude.
 
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What China needs to do is force unification when time is right then kick out these foreign journalists producing rubbish articles. Until then more of these wishful thinking illusions will pop up frequently.
But what will these good for nothing journalists write about? Their livelihood is based on China bashing. :lol:
 
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The key to criticise this AEI poll is to question it's methodology, it's sample size, the demographic landscape of its samples, how the survey questions was framed, how each terminology was translated, etc. These are all high school level statistics stuff.

You havent shown the ability to engage in that level of criticism, and have only resorted to ad hominem attack. Read and learn how to write criticism and propaganda like this pro-independent western guy below. He criticises that TCF poll posted earlier in this thread. Notice how he first uses ad hominen attacks (e. g. the TCF are a pro-beijing org driven by their own business interests, etc), then moved on to criticise the TCF poll using the method I mentioned before:



See how he uses plenty of technical jargons in his criticism. You need to learn from this Michael Cole guy. On PDF, I think there are only 2 or 3 Chinese members who are well-read and knowledgeable enough to give solid arguments to defend a pro- CCP position. The rest should take lessons from that Cole dude.

Too much work. I'll pass. By the way, speaking of ad hominem attaks, you're the one accusing every other member of PDF of being a 50 center. So I guess that makes you a Pho-fty center, right little Viet? :haha:
 
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