Taiwanese, Hong Kongers identify less with China

[terranMarine]

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But what will these good for nothing journalists write about? Their livelihood is based on China bashing.

If they are out of Taiwan, they will use their creativity and pick another topic to bash China. No need to worry about it, they just won't be able to use Taiwanese don't consider themselves as Chinese theme again.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The key to criticise this AEI poll is to question it's methodology, it's sample size, the demographic landscape of its samples, how the survey questions was framed, how each terminology was translated, etc.

Already done. Their argument is that identifying as a Hong Konger (as I do) is somehow mutually exclusive to identifying as a Chinese. Which is completely absurd.

Sort of like saying that is someone self identifies as a Beijinger then they reject being a Chinese, or if someone self identifies as a New Yorker they reject being an American. These are not national or ethnic identities, they are city identities, and are not mutually exclusive with a larger national or ethnic identity at all.

In fact, being a Hong Konger implicitly implies being a Chinese national, an ethnic Chinese, culturally Chinese, and having a Chinese dialect as their mother tongue (Cantonese for me).

The entire premise is a joke to anyone who knows anything about Hong Kong. Anyone in the world who comes to Hong Kong will see that Hong Kongers like myself are ethnically Chinese, culturally Chinese, Chinese speakers, and Chinese nationals.

What else would we be? Ethnic Africans with Swedish nationality? It's such a joke that no one even bothers to respond seriously.

 

[Kolaps]

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Taiwanese, Hong Kongers identify less with China
By William Lowther / Staff reporter in WASHINGTON



Comment: Although this article was published by a major Taiwanese news outlet, I'm not sure who this Mazza guy is.

@Kolaps

Rubbish is right.. Below is a recent poll

Majority of Taiwanese see themselves as ethnically Chinese: poll | Politics | FOCUS TAIWAN - CNA ENGLISH NEWS


Majority of Taiwanese see themselves as ethnically Chinese: poll
2014/09/04 17:01:18

Taipei, Sept. 4 (CNA) A vast majority of the Taiwanese people polled in a recent survey see themselves as ethnically Chinese, the pollster said Thursday.

Some 87 percent of the repondents said they think of themselves as part of the ethnic Chinese community, said Taiwan Competitiveness Forum CEO Hsieh Ming-hui, citing the results of the latest survey conducted by the local think tank.

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Taiwan is part of China but not part of Communist.


You can play with that for polling.

Like you can use Han Chinese identity to boast polling result.

And you can use the Mao Communist to make it low.


Taipei Times is english newspaper for Whites people, so their readers basically don't know anything about Taiwan and China relationship. They just want to boast their political interest for the sake of Whites superiority.

 

[Muzits]

Already done. Their argument is that identifying as a Hong Konger (as I do) is somehow mutually exclusive to identifying as a Chinese. Which is completely absurd.

Sort of like saying that is someone self identifies as a Beijinger then they reject being a Chinese, or if someone self identifies as a New Yorker they reject being an American. These are not national or ethnic identities, they are city identities, and are not mutually exclusive with a larger national or ethnic identity at all.

In fact, being a Hong Konger implicitly implies being a Chinese national, an ethnic Chinese, culturally Chinese, and having a Chinese dialect as their mother tongue (Cantonese for me).

The entire premise is a joke to anyone who knows anything about Hong Kong. Anyone in the world who comes to Hong Kong will see that Hong Kongers like myself are ethnically Chinese, culturally Chinese, Chinese speakers, and Chinese nationals.

What else would we be? Ethnic Africans with Swedish nationality? It's such a joke that no one even bothers to respond seriously.

ya and only those pathetic viets who's afraid to admit his own identities as vietnamese would post sumthing hilarious like this.remember those viets r the biggest fan of NTD and "the onion" due to their poor intelligence quotient.

 

[William Hung]

Too much work. I'll pass. By the way, speaking of ad hominem attaks, you're the one accusing every other member of PDF of being a 50 center. So I guess that makes you a Pho-fty center, right little Viet?

I've never said every chinese members on PDF are 50 cent'er. I've already said a small proportion of chinese members are well-read and can write good posts. Another small proportion are 50 cent'er. The rest are trolls... who consider high school level arguments as being "too much work."

I also enjoy seeing you calling everyone who has pushed your buttons, as a "Viet."

Let's see who has been called a Viet:

I've been called a Viet.
@Kolaps has been called a Viet.
@Nihonjin1051 has been called a Viet.
@Lux de Veritas has been called a Viet.
Probably many more which I havent heard about. Maybe it's too much work to debate them so it's easier to just call them Viet.

Like I've told some other guy, keep calling me a Viet. I like it!

 

[AgentOrange]

I've never said every chinese members on PDF are 50 cent'er. I've already said a small proportion of chinese members are well-read and can write good posts. Another small proportion are 50 cent'er. The rest are trolls... who consider high school level arguments as being "too much work."

I also enjoy seeing you calling everyone who has pushed your buttons, as a "Viet."

Let's see who has been called a Viet:

I've been called a Viet.
@Kolaps has been called a Viet.
@Nihonjin1051 has been called a Viet.
@Lux de Veritas has been called a Viet.
Probably many more which I havent heard about. Maybe it's too much work to debate them so it's easier to just call them Viet.

Like I've told some other guy, keep calling me a Viet. I like it!

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The key to criticise this AEI poll is to question it's methodology, it's sample size, the demographic landscape of its samples, how the survey questions was framed, how each terminology was translated, etc. These are all high school level statistics stuff.

Your assumption is twofold:

1.) It is useful to question it.
2.) The bias is due to ignorance.

That's not the case. Their bias is not due to ignorance but due to prejudice, and you cannot beat prejudice with logic because it is not founded in reason. If you question it, they'll just label you brainwashed and uneducated - look at the museum on medieval Tibet. People who are biased will say that all the evidence of Dalai's monks being slaveowners and torturers in there is fake, despite seeing the evidence right in their face.

The real way to combat prejudice is with assertiveness and strength.

 

[William Hung]

Your assumption is twofold:

1.) It is useful to question it.
2.) The bias is due to ignorance.

That's not the case. Their bias is not due to ignorance but due to prejudice, and you cannot beat prejudice with logic because it is not founded in reason. If you question it, they'll just label you brainwashed and uneducated - look at the museum on medieval Tibet. People who are biased will say that all the evidence of Dalai's monks being slaveowners and torturers in there is fake, despite seeing the evidence right in their face.

The real way to combat prejudice is with assertiveness and strength.

Yes, I have the first assumption, but not the second assumption.

I can apply this to life in general, not just in politics. Obviously, biased rhetorics are not always the result of ignorance, especially when it involves power struggles. And in politics, it's mostly about the struggle for power. Various biased political groups, or lobbyists, are very well informed in fact. So no, I do not think they are ignorant.

However, I'm not targeting the people with this kind of bias, to change their bias through logic, etc. I still maintain that the first assumption is correct. To question and critique people's bias opinion is useful because there are many other uninformed people who can be influenced by someone's bias opinions.

And tell me honestly, if you are an uninformed neutral person, what kind of arguments do you think are the most compelling, the type of article by that Michael Cole guy I posted or those one-liners by the fiddy and fenqing as commonly seen recently on PDF?

Like I said, this applies to life in general, not just in politics. I think you've mentioned before about defamation law. Why do we need them?

As for the people with bias opinion and agenda, I agree you cannot change them with logic and reason.

 

[Keel]

You guys claim it since 1949. So what?

And the Taiwanese separatists have been yapping independence since, so what?

有本事，解放军过去台湾插根旗。现在连金门都拿不下，还弄个全军覆没。

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