Taiwan wants to buy used M-1 tanks

[Korean]

Taiwan won't fire a bullet at PLA. If we stop doing business with TW, one third of their companies will broke.

There is no future for Taiwanese on the day of the PLA invasion of Taiwan, so they might as well blow a few PLA troops out of water and go down in glory.

Taiwan will eventually unite with mainland when Mainland become developed and democratic.

China won't be democratic and will not be a developed country(There is no such thing as a totalitarian developed country). In order for a totalitarian country to go democratic, the totalitarian leaders must have a limit they would not cross because their conscience would not allow it. Chinese leaders have no such line they would not cross, as the bloody crackdown at Tienanmen Square and Tibet, Turkestan have shown.

 

[Tshering22]

There is no future for Taiwanese on the day of the PLA invasion of Taiwan, so they might as well blow a few PLA troops out of water and go down in glory.

I would like to agree with you but put it this way-- there is more to the Taiwanese than what they seem to be. If they were that easy, they'd have been crushed by the brute force that commies usually use and it would have been taken over the moment US engaged itself in a two-sided war with Iraq and Afghanistan.

What I am trying to say is that while it may be a small country with limited resources, it may as well be capable enough to cause considerable damage to the Communists (which as you know they will deny). Taiwan may lose but the mainland won't be able to censor the losses that could be caused due to a full-blown war between the two countries. That the last thing Communists want as it would write their regime's demise.

China won't be democratic and will not be a developed country(There is no such thing as a totalitarian developed country). In order for a totalitarian country to go democratic, the totalitarian leaders must have a limit they would not cross because their conscience would not allow it. Chinese leaders have no such line they would not cross, as the bloody crackdown at Tienanmen Square and Tibet, Turkestan have shown.

Actually, it depends. Democracy isn't always suitable my friend. Take a look at us; we're a democracy but are perhaps the most mismanaged democratic nation on this planet. Corruption, nepotism and inefficiency dominates Indian government and its open for everyone to see. The only reason why we are progressing is because the common man works his rear off here for pittance and we're talking about at a billion common people here.

In our case, a righteous authoritarian regime capable of taking good decisions in terms of national interests is more suitable than an inept, corrupt and lethargic government that is robbing its citizens day and night like the current ruling government sitting in Delhi.

 

[MacanJawa]

hei i can't wait MBT 3000 vs M1 abrams who will win?

 

[Tshering22]

hei i can't wait MBT 3000 vs M1 abrams who will win?

There are multiple forms of warfare used by multiple different types of military ecosystems. What the Chinese Communists use is similar to what the Soviets use: War of attrition. This can be in the form of resources, men or logistics. The idea here to keep throwing waves of everything until the matter either abruptly stagnates or victory is in sight. An old and forceful tactic.

The second tactic is what is used by smaller and fierce countries like Taiwan and Israel: War on offense. The countries adopting such tactics are usually small, have limited resources, but have excellent planning on utilizing these resources to their optimum. This also means that the country using this tactic may win or even lose (depending on its foe) but it will not just collapse. In fact, it would cause unacceptable damage to an offending nation, which in itself would act as a deterrent.

Taiwan's goal is clear: not to let the Communists in at anycost. Which means that in a war, they may go down but they will put up a fight that will do unacceptable damage to the Communist regime in Beijing, should a conflict break out.

This form of deterrence is usually a crude way of balancing out any threats from a potentially larger and more powerful foe.

 

[MacanJawa]

ZTZ 99 vs M1A1

 

[asean_2015]

we are integrated tightly with each other. War will not break out between us. Taiwan will eventually unite with mainland when Mainland become developed and democratic.

This comment is similar to the one that South Korea will eventually unites with North Korea when North Korea becomes developed and democratic.

 

[Snomannen]

After watching the Taiwan military exercises, I don't think that they can stand for the invasion for an hour long
even if they have got the most awesome weapons in the world.

 

[Abhishek_]

After watching the Taiwan military exercises, I don't think that they can stand for the invasion for an hour long
even if they have got the most awesome weapons in the world.

regardless of that, taiwan has enough means to prohibit a military invasion. reunification is a distant dream, the mainlanders can keep drooling

 

[Snomannen]

regardless of that, taiwan has enough means to prohibit a military invasion. reunification is a distant dream, the mainlanders can keep drooling

The only hope that Taiwan can prohibit the invasion is the US and her allies, so you better treat them better.

Anyway I really hate simplifies Chinese, therefore we are on your side.

 

[gambit]

In our case, a righteous authoritarian regime capable of taking good decisions in terms of national interests is more suitable than an inept, corrupt and lethargic government that is robbing its citizens day and night like the current ruling government sitting in Delhi.

Those 'benevolent dictatorship' do not last very long, usually as long as the mentally agile age of said benevolent dictator, before he himself becomes corrupt due to his own ego or he gets overthrown due to political weaknesses.

There are multiple forms of warfare used by multiple different types of military ecosystems. What the Chinese Communists use is similar to what the Soviets use: War of attrition. This can be in the form of resources, men or logistics. The idea here to keep throwing waves of everything until the matter either abruptly stagnates or victory is in sight. An old and forceful tactic.

The second tactic is what is used by smaller and fierce countries like Taiwan and Israel: War on offense. The countries adopting such tactics are usually small, have limited resources, but have excellent planning on utilizing these resources to their optimum. This also means that the country using this tactic may win or even lose (depending on its foe) but it will not just collapse. In fact, it would cause unacceptable damage to an offending nation, which in itself would act as a deterrent.

Taiwan's goal is clear: not to let the Communists in at anycost. Which means that in a war, they may go down but they will put up a fight that will do unacceptable damage to the Communist regime in Beijing, should a conflict break out.

This form of deterrence is usually a crude way of balancing out any threats from a potentially larger and more powerful foe.

The Taiwanese certainly can make Beijing pay a dear price for that island and Beijing knows that. What Beijing also realize is that in such a weakened state, China will be left vulnerable in other fronts, political and military, that the US and other Asian countries can exploit and hold. That 100 miles distance can create a lot targets while on their journey for landing.

 

[Akasa]

There is no future for Taiwanese on the day of the PLA invasion of Taiwan, so they might as well blow a few PLA troops out of water and go down in glory.


China won't be democratic and will not be a developed country(There is no such thing as a totalitarian developed country). In order for a totalitarian country to go democratic, the totalitarian leaders must have a limit they would not cross because their conscience would not allow it. Chinese leaders have no such line they would not cross, as the bloody crackdown at Tienanmen Square and Tibet, Turkestan have shown.

Let me remind you that a developed country is one that is defined to possess a high standard of living, education. That is the result of a free economy and one that is open to the world, not with the government and its social policies. China for thousands of years was the richest nation on the planet, and yet it did not have a single democratic government. South Korea was a one party nation in the 1980s and yet it was a developed nation.

Taiwanese plan to use its tanks for coastal defense, where they line up at the beach and fire at incoming PLA landing troops.

The PLA probably won't do a landing. Modern warfare is dictated by surprise and tactical coordination. The PLA's equipment has been suited to its lessons learned from watching the US take on Iraq. Which means, the PLA would probably attack the way the united states does, using overwhelming firepower to wipe out defense before moving into enemy territory.

The Taiwanese certainly can make Beijing pay a dear price for that island and Beijing knows that. What Beijing also realize is that in such a weakened state, China will be left vulnerable in other fronts, political and military, that the US and other Asian countries can exploit and hold. That 100 miles distance can create a lot targets while on their journey for landing.

A landing is not required when precision strikes is able to subdue most of Taiwan's military within a few hours. The United States military pretty much had Saddam's war behemoth under control after the first wave of Tomahawks and they literally could have taken out their top leaders using airstrikes.

regardless of that, taiwan has enough means to prohibit a military invasion. reunification is a distant dream, the mainlanders can keep drooling

I'm pretty sure Saddam's leaders were saying the same thing regarding the allies. But they were drowned out by the sound of Tomahawks.

 

[Sasquatch]

Debate Renewed Over Taiwan’s Need for Tanks

Debate over the practicality of procuring more main battle tanks (MBTs) for Taiwan has intensified since the Ministry of National Defense confirmed last week it was negotiating with the U.S. for surplus M1A1 Abrams MBTs left over from the Iraq War.

The announcement renewed debate over the need for a heavy MBT, said a Defense Ministry source, “but they are cheap and available now.” The deal would include refurbishment, but not an upgrade, he said. In 2011, Vice Defense Minister Chao Shih-chang was quoted by the local media saying the Army needed 200 new MBTs.

Debate Renewed Over Taiwan’s Need for Tanks | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[airmarshal]

Saudi Arabia may get the Leopard 2. Taiwan could get the M1s used, we do have thousands of them.

Is M1 still being manufactured? If not, is US developing a new tank?

 

[Oldman1]

Is M1 still being manufactured? If not, is US developing a new tank?

U.S. Army wants to close it down. Congress does not. And yes they are developing a new tank. Be coming out in a few years.

Right now they just refurbished damaged tanks. You be surprise how awesome they do it. Theres a video of it, I'll look.

Video
Mega Fabricas - O Tanque Abrams - National Geographic HD - YouTube

 

[Zabaniyah]

Many of their current tanks are aging. So, they should seek replacements. I'd recommend getting brand new ones.

U.S. Army wants to close it down. Congress does not. And yes they are developing a new tank. Be coming out in a few years.

Right now they just refurbished damaged tanks. You be surprise how awesome they do it. Theres a video of it, I'll look.

A M1 replacement already in works? Wow...