Taiwan fisherman shot dead by Filipino military

[shuttler]

Yea you think you can kick out US that easy?

do you think india will dip their hands in the pacific?

 

[sincity]

Russia never ally their political interest toward any nation after Soviet collapse, best to play both side of the fence to protect their own interest.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Russia never ally their political interest toward any nation after Soviet collapse, best to play both side of the fence to protect their own interest.

True, but USA is in serious trouble now, that's why Russia is even more incentive to help China to bring down USA.

Once USA goes down, Russia also wants to take a share of you.

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[shuttler]

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

Now the Chinese are claiming Batanes Islands as part of Taiwan based on the dashed line.

 

[sincity]

Indian don't want to be excluded out of the southeast Asian, Indian of course want to get in the mix but their economy and military prevent them to be more assertive relate to the SCS issue. Too many reasons for Indian not to get involves in southeast Asian, Economy and trade, mineral resource, and military engagement.

 

[Zero_wing]

It was a valid challenge to you. The Chinese are building permanent structures to your islands, and yet, you conveniently ignore that.

Hey whats up capt hows the mental hospital your staying in? they have Wifi that's nice

 

[shuttler]

There was an indonesian sailor on board of the Taiwanese ship. He will be a good witness to the incident

Indian don't want to be excluded out of the southeast Asian, Indian of course want to get in the mix but their economy and military prevent them to be more assertive relate to the SCS issue. Too many reasons for Indian not to get involves in southeast Asian, Economy and trade, mineral resource, and military engagement.

indians are living and aspiring way beyond means dont you think based on your experience?

 

[Zero_wing]

The problem is your President Benigno Aquino III, China has proposed to co-develop the oil and gas fields in SCS years ago, but he refused, instead he is joining the US encirclement against China.

Furthermore, his administration was provoking China's sovereignty in order to cover up their incompetence in the domestic policy.

Aquino III has chosen to be China's enemy, so don't blame for China's coming aggression.

Wow that's great the problem is china its always has been co development of what its ours we decide if want co development or not in this case no its not your place to say anything about our resources because we have solo ownership of the waters around the west philippine sea in the kalayaan group of islands (which half of the spartlies) not all like the ridiculous claims of china which invaild in international law and illogical so in true your so called sovereignty does not exist our just steal resources to fuel ourselves why should we ask permission to use and conserve our own resources? that's just stupid blaming our president for your criminal aggression is just typical of you people heck you blame everybody its ok more allies for us more enemies for you just make life hard on yourselves.

 

[Zero_wing]

I think we should stop importing Filipino maid to destroy their economy. Because Hilipino economy equals maid and banana exporting.

Learn to spell right before making comments like this and first of all its only in your minds that is is our exports again you people fail to understand or know anything about my country and by all means please do so no chinese both mainlanders and taiwanese in my country equal good retains to rubbish to dangerous cheap copied chinese goods no more trouble making and no more stolen natural resources and most important of all no chinese means no more illegal drugs and other illegal imports by taiwanese and manlinders so good retains and don't come back and hello better business panthers and more jobs because of new industries so its win for us and a lost to you the Philippines invest almost 2 billion on you guys while you invest and all 500 million so in the end no sweat of my back go ahead don't let the door hit on your way out!

Because his country is too coward to face China, but instead they will shoot more unarmed Taiwanese fishermen.

Well try to invade us or just like the stupid Taiwanese fishing vessel ram our ships see what happens you talk to much about bravery and courage and yet your only attacking people weaker than you really who's the real coward here? heck you cant even win back Taiwan and attack Japan so please think before you post! And your answering a post from guy who is staying in nut house really? nice you guys should date you prefect for each other.

Because his country is too coward to face China, but instead they will shoot more unarmed Taiwanese fishermen.

Well try to invade us or just like the stupid Taiwanese fishing vessel ram our ships see what happens you talk to much about bravery and courage and yet your only attacking people weaker than you really who's the real coward here? heck you cant even win back Taiwan and attack Japan so please think before you post! And your answering a post from guy who is staying in nut house really? nice you guys should date you prefect for each other.

 

[Zero_wing]

Now the Chinese are claiming Batanes Islands as part of Taiwan based on the dashed line.

Well tol ganyan talaga mga hayop at duwag ito mga ito mga mainlanders na ito ginatungan pa nila mali na man ito mga gago taiwanese na ito pare ipa priority dapat ng mga bago natin congressman and senators ito AFP and Coast Guard modernization para ma tigil na mga gago ito

 

[longyi]

Philippine envoy sorry over shooting



TAIPEI, Taiwan -- The Philippines' top envoy to Taiwan yesterday offered an apology to the family of a Taiwanese fisherman who was killed on Thursday by an official Philippine vessel while the Taiwanese boat was operating in waters claimed by both countries.

“We'd like to convey our sincerest condolences and apologies to the family of Mr. Hung,” Antonio Basilio, the Philippines' de facto ambassador to Taiwan said at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA).

“Words cannot express our sorrow for the loss of life of Mr. Hung,” he added.

Basilio said that his government will continue to investigate the circumstances that led to the “tragic incident.”

The Philippines welcomes a joint investigation led by law enforcement authorities to establish the location of the incident and the circumstances that led to the tragedy, the envoy added.

“Should the investigation show that there was a violation of international law and practice ... as well as our domestic law, we will let the law takes its course so that justice will be served,” Basilio said.

Basilio, head of the Manila Economic and Cultural Office (MECO) in Taipei, made the remarks in front of reporters at MOFA headquarters, following his meeting with Deputy Foreign Minister Joseph Shih (石&#23450.

The envoy was summoned by the MOFA to explain Manila's stance on the matter — one day after Taiwan issued stern condemnation over the incident that led to the death of local fisherman Hung Shih-cheng (洪石&#25104.

The 65-year-old crew member was shot dead by personnel on board an official Philippine vessel, while the local boat — the Kuang Ta Hsing No. 28 (廣大興28&#34399 — was operating some 170 nautical miles off the southern coast of Taiwan, an area that is claimed by both Taipei and Manila, according to MOFA.

Hung's son, son-in-law and an Indonesian fisherman were also on board when the shots were fired.

Kuang Ta Hsing No. 28 is currently being towed back to Taiwan with the help of two other fishing boats under the escort of the Coast Guard Administration (CGA), the ministry said.

MOFA has confirmed that the Philippine vessel responsible for the shooting belongs to the country's Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR), said Foreign Minister David Lin (林永&#27138, adding that Philippine coast guards aboard the BFAR vessel had fired the ship's weapons.

“We believe the Philippine government should take full responsibility (over the incident) by issuing an official apology to Taiwan, (by identifying) those responsible and (by compensating) for the losses,” the minister said.

According to Taiwan's representative to the Philippines, Raymond Wang (王樂&#29983, however, Philippine authorities claimed that the Taiwanese vessel was sailing in their territory and that the BFAR vessel had simply fired warning shots.

In response, Lin said that Kuang Ta Hsing No. 28 was sailing in overlapping waters, stressing that the Philippine vessel should not have opened fire on an unarmed Taiwanese boat under any circumstance.

The Philippine authorities have agreed to send personnel to Taiwan to jointly probe the cause of the tragedy, he added.

Thirty-two Bullet Holes

Coast Guard Administration (CGA) Deputy Minister Cheng Chang-Hsiung said that the shooting left a total of 32 bullet holes in the Taiwanese ship.

“The CGA condemns the brutal act on the Philippines' part (which caused) the death of a Taiwanese fisherman,” Cheng said.

The Taiwanese vessel is expected to be brought back to Taiwan before noon on Saturday, the deputy minister said, adding that once it returns to the island, prosecutors will immediately conduct an examination of the boat and interview its crew members.

For the safety of Taiwanese fishermen operating in the South China Sea, the CGA will be sending more vessels equipped with artillery to safeguard the rights of local ships operating in the region, he added.

The fundamental reason behind the tragedy is the lack of a fishery agreement between Taipei and Manila with regard to their overlapping waters, Lin noted.

The government will negotiate with its Philippines counterpart to sign a fishery agreement similar to the one signed between Taiwan and Japan last month to fundamentally solve the problem, he added.

Meanwhile, the ministry said that it has sent its staff to convey condolences to Hung's family in Pingtung County and offered the family NT$50,000 in its time of grief.

Philippine envoy sorry over shooting - The China Post

 

[p3avi8tor69]

Hey whats up capt hows the mental hospital your staying in? they have Wifi that's nice

Fancy way for you to ignore the pressing concern. So again what are you going to do false flagger wanna be American. BTW we Americans do not resort to racist remarks which you often lace your response. So do us a favor and respect our flag by removing it from your avatar. Your use of our flag is simply revolting.

 

[Zero_wing]

Yes, you are right. really, In my mind pilipine equals maid and banana. I feel sorry for Taiwan goverment, they are sit on by banana even obviously Taiwan has much more might militory power than banana country.

sure sure if it makes you feel better fine

Fancy way for you to ignore the pressing concern. So again what are you going to do false flagger wanna be American. BTW we Americans do not resort to racist remarks which you often lace your response. So do us a favor and respect our flag by removing it from your avatar. Your use of our flag is simply revolting.

hahahahaha nice one good aim captain wait was your rank right or is it admiral or general or both you know from the movie dictator hahahaha i love that move.

why should i explain myself to you who the hell are you to ask me that? then revolt away false American!

 

[jhungary]

I kindly hope that our Vietnamese posters in this forum are restraint from over-hype our military power. As one of our General recently has said: "Vietnam only buys enough equipment to protect itself." Indeed everything we have in our arsenals is defensive type. Vietnam does not want to cause trouble. Our military purchases are pegged to be less than Indonesia, Malaysia,Thailand, and even Singapore so no country in the ASEAN has reason to worry about our build-ups. However, we always send a strong signal that Vietnam is not to be messed with. Any superpowers attacking us will lose an arm and a leg. That's been working well to deter Expansionists from the North or anywhere else. Of course, our strength is many times less than PRC, or ROC but that's not to be worry too much. PRC and ROC need all that toys to face each other. PRC also has to face everyone from Russia, USA, Japan, to India, especially their own peasants plus independent movements from Tibet and Uyghur. Therefore, PRC cannot afford a severe losses to Vietnam.

I hope some of us stop using the same grandiose languages the Chinese posters have been using. We have the strong of our moral argument so we don't need to sink to their level. Vietnam should learn something from Indians and the way Gandhi gained his country independence. India is now partner with many countries from East to West. India has a strong military but no one in the world hates India except China and Pakistan. Compare that achievement with China's and we see that cultures and policies lead to different results. Confucianism is great for self defense against invaders but it's also a poison by its imperialist ideas. China is suffering from that, and Vietnam needs to resist from doing the same.

Back to this issue, I can see Chinese Central Government jumps in glee by the death of its brother's citizen. They jumped the gun to issue "barbaric" condemnation against Philippines although the incident did not involve its citizens nor happened in their b.s.cow-tongue (Nine Dash) claimed. They did this for 3 reasons:

1) Divert attentions away from PRC shooting of Vietnamese boats, repeated aggressive actions of cutting lines of foreign survey ships from India's to USA's, repeated unlawful arrest of Vietnamese and Filipinos fishing boats in their respective territories, repeated harassment of Vietnamese and Filipinos fishermen, and repeated acts of compromising Philippines territories in the Scarborough Reefs

2) Drive a wedge between a untied front of nations battling against PRC's expansionism and total control in SCS including Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan, ASEAN countries and even India. This is the most crafty attack yet in Chinese deception: dividing your opponents. This is part of Sun Tzu's book that Chinese has learnt by heart

3) Boosting PRC's moral to replicate the same incident in the SCS right now. In fact this is part of their game plans when they sent 32 hundred-ton-"fishing boats" with an 4,000 tons tanker and a 1,500 tons escort ship to the Spratly Islands (Some "civilian shipping trip" that is!! )

With these three reasons, I hope Vietnamese, Filipinos, Taiwanese, and Indian posters understand this deception and have appropriate responses. Of course, false flaggers know who they are

So what is the effective counter-measure to that crafty trick from the PRC during similar incident? Vietnam seems to have made a good plan. For example, during the invasion of 32 'fishing ships," Vietnamese newspapers told a story of single brave Vietnam fishing boat facing the Chinese's army. This leads me to remember Tiananmen Square with that one brave man against a tank column. Vietnamese boat moved very close to PRC's convoy, dangerously diverted their course outside of Vietnam's territories. The single act also delayed their illegal fishing plan for a day. That's how you deal with cunning foes: using guts to contain them.

Well. PRC always claim Taiwan is part of China, they want to score points to try and sway the Taiwanese back into their camp. But history have a way to repeat itself over and over again, Taiwan will just cry to the US, in some extend, to Japan when things gone pear shape.

I found it funny when China "Condemn" Philippine when even Taiwanese don't know what the heck is going on. You condemn when you have a valid report on the incident. You don't go use the C word before you know what is going on. You did not see anyone but China condemning the attack, simply because no one know what the heck is going on.

we probably need to wait for a more detail report on what's up before opening our hole