Taiwan defies China with WWII military parade

[XiaoYaoZi]

"(Japan) doesn't have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d'état? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Shek? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations!"
-Mao Zedong greeting Japanese Prime Minister Takuei in Nanjing, 1972

Mao is a great philosopher. You can never understand his sayings by common sense, what Mao said to Takuei was just to show his great confidence as a great successful achiever, because the war of resistance against Japan make Chinese to awaken and unite together to fight the invaders.
This logic is just like the soldiers of PLA mocked Chiang Kai Shek as transport capitain or logistic minister(运输大队长)of PLA in Civil War, because the KMT's armies were too weak to defeat the PLA, so that they lost/gave their most soldiers, which surrendered to CCP and joined PLA immidiately, and their most advanced weapons aided by US to PLA as presents.
So with the war against KMT going on, the PLA became stronger and stronger, then the KMT's army became weaker and weaker, because the KMT's army mostly became the PLA. Even in most campaigns between the PLA and the KMT's army, the PLA had a lower number of people and worse weapons. In fact when the soldiers of the KMT's army joined in the PLA after they surrendered to CCP in Civil War, their comat effectiveness elevated sharply great immediately.
This logic can also be applied to your Brits, for example, thank you for your Opium War that start the process of awakening of our nation as a sleeping lion.
We can also say "thank you" to many people.
Thank you, Noda Kahiko, whose so-called, "Nationalization of the Senkaku Islands", made us realize the normalized existence of forces in the surrounding sea of the Diaoyu islands.
Thank you, Japanese common people, who elected a so stupid prime minister, Abe Shinzo, which continues to take the economy of Japan to the shit hole.
Thank you, Viets rioting in 981 rig issue, who deported so much foreign invests themselves in Vietnam.
Thank you, Aquino III, who helped us take the Huangyan Island back.
....
There are so many people we need to say "thank you".
So thank you, opium traffickers, Brits.
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[FairAndUnbiased]

What??? Only the CCP WON BATTLES AGAINST JAPAN?


Agree with yu on this one

In the last year of the war, the KMT lost most of its battles during Operation Ichigo, while the CCP actually won battles in the north.

If the KMT actually won battles consistently, then Japanese wouldn't have been able to invaded China, would they?

The logic is very, very simple:

If KMT was so great, how come with all the resources of a 35 year old institution, they were still unable to resist Japan successfully?

Meanwhile, if the CPC was so cowardly, how could they have made the decision to launch an expeditionary war - 100x harder than a war on your own territory, by the way, due to supply line limitations - on the US, which defeated Japan? And only in their 2nd year in power?

 

[mike2000 is back]

Sorry, in our historic books, your words are lies, just like other lies from Britain.
KMT of course was the dominant body in WWII, however, what most Chinese claim is CHINA, which party is irrelevant.

Ironically, when some people in Taiwan wants to separatism from China, then KMT wants Chinese legitimacy and they think they are the more genuine China. The title should be, KMT defies CPC, not Taiwan defies China.

@mike2000 is back Do u know Chinese in the mainland may dislike KMT, but after all, KMT is a pro-unification Chinese party? KMT and CPC are brothers, but not Taiwan democratic progressive party?

More ironically, some Chinese go to Taiwan to find more traditional Chinese culture when some separatist claim Republic of China is not China. If KMT does't claim it has legitimacy over China, then how can u claim it is you who directed the war?

Agree, however, your chinese brothers on here dont think the same way/disagree with you. They want to deny its the KMR that led the fight against imperial japan, and thar its the CCP that mainly led the battle. So which 1 is one to believe, since if they did teach it in history books in china, there should be no ambiguity of who mainly led the war against Japan.

As i said. I can understand the CCP also wants to legitimise itself even more rhan it is already , so even though the CCP might recicently recognize that its rival KMT played a little role in the fight against japan, it will still obviously attribute the biggest role to itself, which i think is normal to be honest. Since any political party in the world woyld do the same IF THEY COULD.

 

[LowPost]

In our history books CCP has always spoken highly of the contributions of the national revolutionary army led by the KMT, even the CCP own armies are nominally led by the KMT central government.

The New Fourth Army and the Eighth Route Army. What's too worth mentioning is the fact that films and TV series set in the 2nd Sino-Japanese War (or War of Resistance, if you will) feature KMT soldiers/officers as protagonists. For instance, take the TV drama Battle of Changsha (2014), which is set around the time the large-scale military engagement between the NRA and IJA took place in 1939. And you know what? The protagonist is Gu Qingming, an intelligence officer serving in the Nationalist Army and is played by Wallace Huo, an actor and singer from Taiwan.

 

[Jlaw]

In the last year of the war, the KMT lost most of its battles during Operation Ichigo, while the CCP actually won battles in the north.

If the KMT actually won battles consistently, then Japanese wouldn't have been able to invaded China, would they?

The logic is very, very simple:

If KMT was so great, how come with all the resources of a 35 year old institution, they were still unable to resist Japan successfully?

Meanwhile, if the CPC was so cowardly, how could they have made the decision to launch an expeditionary war - 100x harder than a war on your own territory, by the way, due to supply line limitations - on the US, which defeated Japan? And only in their 2nd year in power?

Those coward KMT had a 600,000 modern army supported and supplied by the west and home court advantage. Yet they can't win one fucking battle. Chiang gave away Manchuria hoping the Japanese won't go south, but the coward was wrong.

When he was kidnapped, he should have been killed. Big mistake for letting him go.

 

[scherz]

Those coward KMT had a 600,000 modern army supported and supplied by the west and home court advantage. Yet they can't win one fucking battle.

First only a part of the whole army was well equipted - the elite army of ROC trained and supplied by Germans. The rest was kind of garbage without amored vehicles and lack of combat aircrafts. Surely they stand no chance against well equiped, heavy amored Japanese Army. Plus they have the a enormouse advantage with their all kind of aircrafts gaining air dominance. Its quite a impossibility to have a victory against such superior army.

 

[Jlaw]

First only a part of the whole army was well equipted - the elite army of ROC trained and supplied by Germans. The rest was kind of garbage without amored vehicles and lack of combat aircrafts. Surely they stand no chance against well equiped, heavy amored Japanese Army. Plus they have the a enormouse advantage with their all kind of aircrafts gaining air dominance. Its quite a impossibility to have a victory against such superior army.

What about the CPC? They were even less equip than the least equipped KMT soldier but still defeated the Japanese.

 

[scherz]

What about the CPC? They were even less equip than the least equipped KMT soldier but still defeated the Japanese.

I am sure the CPC won every battle single handed like the glorious Mao told us Even without the support from our allies the war surlely would have ended by the invicible magical power of CPC.

 

[Jlaw]

I am sure the CPC won every battle single handed like the glorious Mao told us Even without the support from our allies the war surlely would have ended by the invicible magical power of CPC.

Mao didn't personally told me but Deng told me before he passed away in 96.

 

[tranquilium]

Taiwan defies China with WWII military parade
AP



TAIPEI: Taiwan marched out thousands of troops and displayed its most modern military hardware on Saturday to spotlight an old but often forgotten claim that its forces, not the Chinese Communists, led the campaign that routed imperial Japan from China 70 years ago.

The military staged an unusually large two-hour parade of homegrown missiles, Apache attack helicopters and a mountain bike team designed for stealth missions, followed by awards for aged World War II veterans in their attire from the 1940s.

China and Taiwan split during civil war in 1949 and today’s China — more militarily and economically powerful than Taiwan — claims that the Chinese Communists had directed the resistance against the Japanese.

Mainland officials have argued that the Communists’ advice and fighting skills were crucial to the victory. Taiwan’s Nationalist Party ruled all of China when Japan invaded parts of the country from 1931, forming a central stage of the Asian World War II theater.

In one attack, the Japanese massacred between 40,000 and 300,000 Chinese in what has become known as the Nanjing Massacre. Officials in Taiwan say that the Communist forces had a minor role in fighting the Japanese alongside the Republic of China troops, and that during China’s eight-year resistance against Japan they were mainly building up their own ranks and fighting a civil war they would eventually win.

“The war of resistance was led by the Republic of China and Chairman Chiang Kai-shek was the force behind it,” Taiwan President Ma Ying-jeou said in a speech after the parade, referring to the old Nationalist government’s strongman.

Published in Dawn, July 5th, 2015

That's like arguing US won WWII, despite it is clearly a team effort.

During WWII, CCP's started off with less then 10% of KMT's troops, of course they will be a smaller impact in front line fighting. However, front confront is hardly the only way to fight a war, especially against an opponent that is stronger. From 1937 to 1945, CCP waged continued guerrilla warfare behind the enemy lines, to the point that 1.5 million out of 3 million invading Japanese troops are tied up by CCP's effort. You tell me that is not an achievement.

The part of KMT complaining CCP getting stronger with WWII is rather ridicules. CCP managed to operate behind enemy lines with only the support of the locals and did so continuously for eight years. The fact it only got stronger means CCP is way better at fighting war than KMT, as the later civil war from 1946 to 1949 and the Korean war would indicate.

The part KMT seldom discuss is the fact they tried to use the same tactic as CCP, but their troops simply can't keep the morale or conviction operating behind enemy lines. So the troop they sent either surrender or deserted.

 

[TaiShang]

Mao is a great philosopher. You can never understand his sayings by common sense, what Mao said to Takuei was just to show his great confidence as a great successful achiever, because the war of resistance against Japan make Chinese to awaken and unite together to fight the invaders.
This logic is just like the soldiers of PLA mocked Chiang Kai Shek as transport capitain or logistic minister(运输大队长)of PLA in Civil War, because the KMT's armies were too weak to defeat the PLA, so that they lost/gave their most soldiers, which surrendered to CCP and joined PLA immidiately, and their most advanced weapons aided by US to PLA as presents. So with the war against KMT going on, the PLA became stronger and stronger, then the KMT's army became weaker and weaker, because the KMT's army mostly became the PLA.
This logic also be applied to your Brits. For example, thank you for your Opium War that start the process of awakening of our nation as a sleeping lion.
So thank you, opium traffickers, Brits.
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Too much education, I would say. The ultra nationalist will ignore the lesson and repeat the same line. Thankfully, not all Brits I met is not like him.

Most are good people. Some hate US but most still admire its achievements.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Agree, however, your chinese brothers on here dont think the same way/disagree with you. They want to deny its the KMR that led the fight against imperial japan, and thar its the CCP that mainly led the battle. So which 1 is one to believe, since if they did teach it in history books in china, there should be no ambiguity of who mainly led the war against Japan.

As i said. I can understand the CCP also wants to legitimise itself even more rhan it is already , so even though the CCP might recicently recognize that its rival KMT played a little role in the fight against japan, it will still obviously attribute the biggest role to itself, which i think is normal to be honest. Since any political party in the world woyld do the same IF THEY COULD.

You are too captious about the words.
Nominally, all the armies of CCP is led by the KMT, their uniform and badge had no difference with the army of KMT. There is no one denying that KMT represent China as ruling party.
But the KMT had never fulfilled enough the duty as the ruling party.
In Civil War, the battlefield reports of the KMT even boasted that its army had eliminated over 200 million the soldiers of PLA.
Your so-called logics/nonsense mostly derive from the KMT, because it want to find some legitimacy in Mainland, even it is losing its surpport in Taiwan. The KMT sucks always, although the CCP is unlikely to always do best.

 

[Aepsilons]

I am sure the CPC won every battle single handed like the glorious Mao told us Even without the support from our allies the war surlely would have ended by the invicible magical power of CPC.

Hahahaha! I like your style, @scherz . Down to earth, pragmatic, realistic. Yet at the same time, can engage eloquently with some of your devoted peers.


Yoisshh!

 

[LowPost]

The New Fourth Army and the Eighth Route Army. What's too worth mentioning is the fact that films and TV series set in the 2nd Sino-Japanese War (or War of Resistance, if you will) feature KMT soldiers/officers as protagonists. For instance, take the TV drama Battle of Changsha (2014), which is set around the time the large-scale military engagement between the NRA and IJA took place in 1939. And you know what? The protagonist is Gu Qingming, an intelligence officer serving in the Nationalist Army and is played by Wallace Huo, an actor and singer from Taiwan.

Forgot to mention that these movies and series are popular in the Mainland as well. Battle of Changsha was aired last year on CCTV-8, as a side note.

 

[Aepsilons]

Forgot to mention that these movies and series are popular in the Mainland as well. Battle of Changsha was aired last year on CCTV-8, as a side note.

You forgot one particular movie, as well, --- Ip Man.

This particular fight scene -- showcasing the superiority of Chinese fighting spirit -- even had me impressed.

PS. You gotta love these Hong Kong films, buddy!!!