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Taiwan defies China with WWII military parade

First only a part of the whole army was well equipted - the elite army of ROC trained and supplied by Germans. The rest was kind of garbage without amored vehicles and lack of combat aircrafts. Surely they stand no chance against well equiped, heavy amored Japanese Army. Plus they have the a enormouse advantage with their all kind of aircrafts gaining air dominance. Its quite a impossibility to have a victory against such superior army.

With "heavy armoured", you mean that the IJA has plenty of heavy tanks and other effective armoured vehicles at its disposal? No, it can't be. All in all, the Japanese tanks were mediocre at best, but the NRA suffers from a chronic shortage of armoured vehicles and anti-tank weapons itself, so even obsolete tanks soldiered on in China in the IJA until the very end of WWII. Lend-Lease American tanks in NRA service did show remarkable success in Burma however, as well as the efforts of the 200th Division, the first mechanised division of the NRA which received Soviet tanks, small arms and ordnance.

Generally speaking, most of the Nationalist divisions were understrength (for standards in 20th century warfare), lacked artillery and received little to no training with the notable exception of the German-trained divisions as you've already pointed out and the Muslim ones which were trained without Western aid and was devoid of modern weaponry, but impressed European observers with awe.

As far as the Air Force was concerned the ROCAF received substantial Soviet, and later American support with overall indifferent results even though some success could be attained.
 
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First only a part of the whole army was well equipted - the elite army of ROC trained and supplied by Germans. The rest was kind of garbage without amored vehicles and lack of combat aircrafts. Surely they stand no chance against well equiped, heavy amored Japanese Army. Plus they have the a enormouse advantage with their all kind of aircrafts gaining air dominance. Its quite a impossibility to have a victory against such superior army.

And how did the PVA fight the entire U.N in Korea and pulled off a stalemate?

The U.S.A had just come out of winning ww2 and the massive stockpile of weaponry, ships and vehicles were spectacular. Up against the guerrilla army led by Marshall Peng Dehuai who had to deal with total enemy air superiority.

You forgot one particular movie, as well, --- Ip Man.

This particular fight scene -- showcasing the superiority of Chinese fighting spirit -- even had me impressed. ;)


PS. You gotta love these Hong Kong films, buddy!!!

It wasnt the fighting that impressed me, it was the humility of Ip Man who carefully pocketed his half eaten potato like it was so important.

That bit was well done.
 
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First only a part of the whole army was well equipted - the elite army of ROC trained and supplied by Germans. The rest was kind of garbage without amored vehicles and lack of combat aircrafts. Surely they stand no chance against well equiped, heavy amored Japanese Army. Plus they have the a enormouse advantage with their all kind of aircrafts gaining air dominance. Its quite a impossibility to have a victory against such superior army.
The IQ of fans of KMT is under 30, so you should get out. You cannot understand it.
The war of resistance against Japan is the war that we had no any excuses to fail, even though we had no any advantage in quantity and quality of weaponry. In your logic, should we give up resistance and surrender to Japanese at the begaining?:disagree:
Good to see you get a praise from a Japanese for your "rational".
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Guys, I found an alive KMT fan.:rofl:

The New Fourth Army and the Eighth Route Army. What's too worth mentioning is the fact that films and TV series set in the 2nd Sino-Japanese War (or War of Resistance, if you will) feature KMT soldiers/officers as protagonists. For instance, take the TV drama Battle of Changsha (2014), which is set around the time the large-scale military engagement between the NRA and IJA took place in 1939. And you know what? The protagonist is Gu Qingming, an intelligence officer serving in the Nationalist Army and is played by Wallace Huo, an actor and singer from Taiwan. ;)
I think you stay abroad too long or you never set foot on the Mainland of China. So you absolutely misunderstand what i said. I repeat that no one have forgotten the secrifice and the contribution of the KMT army. In addition i have watched the TV drama you mentioned, so what you said mostly is redundant to me.
 
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I think you stay abroad too long or you never set foot on the Mainland of China. So you absolutely misunderstand what i said. I repeat that no one have forgotten the secrifice and the contribution of the KMT army. In addition i have watched the TV drama you mentioned, so what you said mostly is redundant to me.

Err, excuse me? What I posted might not be of use for you, but as extra information it could be informative for others. Also I disagree with you in your assertion that I misunderstood you, I personally know very well too that the KMT played a big role in the Asia-Pacific theatre of war, hence China was one of the major Allied factions in WWII.

And for your information, I lived in the Mainland (not specifying where exactly I hail from :P) during my childhood, settled in Germany while I was still young and I occasionally visit my relatives in my hometown. Where I settle in and for how long doesn't matter, I'm a PRC sympathiser (and proudly so) :china: You won't call me traitor, eh? :P :partay:

I don't mean to leap to conclusions but I have the feeling you're insinuating something...
 
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You forgot one particular movie, as well, --- Ip Man.

This particular fight scene -- showcasing the superiority of Chinese fighting spirit -- even had me impressed. ;)


PS. You gotta love these Hong Kong films, buddy!!!
This fragment of the film is disgusting. Even many people in China use it to mock the actor, Zhenzidan.
Maybe, as a Japanese, you got a sharper feeling about the so-called "superiority of Chinese fighting spirit", so that you could get some misunderstandings about the difference between the Chinese culture and Japanese culture.
So I give you the following references about the difference in my understanding.
China <---->Japan
武术 <----> 武士道
剑术 <----> 剣道
茶艺 <----> 茶道
The difference is definitely in the distinction between '术' or '艺' and '道'. Sharply?
 
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Err, excuse me? What I posted might not be of use for you, but as extra information it could be informative for others. Also I disagree with you in your assertion that I misunderstood you, I personally know very well too that the KMT played a big role in the Asia-Pacific theatre of war, hence China was one of the major Allied factions in WWII.

And for your information, I lived in the Mainland (not specifying where exactly I hail from :P) during my childhood, settled in Germany while I was still young and I occasionally visit my relatives in my hometown. Where I settle in and for how long doesn't matter, I'm a PRC sympathiser (and proudly so) :china: You won't call me traitor, eh? :P :partay:

I don't mean to leap to conclusions but I have the feeling you're insinuating something...
Sharply, I can get the difference between you and the Mainlanders in the understanding of the WWII. The role of the KMT in WWII is very shabby compared to other allies, too many brave soldiers became cannon fodder, many deaths are too undeserving(no one can accept the heroes become the cannon fodder), although they absorbed most troops of Japan. In your environment people always evaluate the KMT's role of the war with a spectator mentality, as the war happened in the Far East is unacquainted to most them and the background of the culture and the politics is very different with the Mainland, maybe you were influenced by them. I think you shouldnt view the things in that war with a spectator mentality, because at least you or your parents (one or two) are born in the Mainland, the war is not irrelevant to you.
You won't call me traitor, eh? :p:partay:------ Why i call you traitor. but i think a correct attitude is beneficial.
 
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I don't mean to leap to conclusions but I have the feeling you're insinuating something...

Of course he does, in fact he and others like him @Keel @Economic superpower and many others (i will not name them as they are quite fair, but these two need to be addressed openly) often even begrudge my positive relationship and rapport with some of the Chinese member posters in this forum. Heck, even by associating with me or having a positive rapport with me --- they automatically associate them as a "Japanese Worshipper" or "Traitor", can you even imagine such a closed minded, and bigoted thinking process? Such unwarranted malicious and insipidness.

I always like to keep an open mind, and despite differences in positions, I like to see (and I like to BELIEVE) that it is possible to find common ground and even develop friendships with some of our Chinese members in here without having the nationalism or patriotism put a damper on mutually inclusive areas of interest.

So, yes, to you my friend @rugering --- you and many others here are very open minded Chinese members and with a strong command of not only national politics, but international issues as well that requires an open minded, broad minded analysis.


Regards, and please, please, always remain broad minded. I know you are a patriot, but remain rational.



Regards,
@Nihonjin1051

It wasnt the fighting that impressed me, it was the humility of Ip Man who carefully pocketed his half eaten potato like it was so important.

That bit was well done.


Yes, indeed, it evoked a potent sense of nationalism and pride. Even in me, a Japanese, it evoked a sense of pride for the Chinese side and to 'show case' the Zhongguoren fighting spirit. I liked how Ip Man immediately demanded to fight 10 members, and he defeated each and every single one of them with such determination and without the emotion of revenge, rather, acted like a Master teaching students a lesson.

Have you seen the 2nd Ip Man movie? The fight with the 3 Masters was also equally impressive.

:)
 
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@XiaoYaoZi Please bear in mind that @Nihonjin1051 loves Chinese culture and shows respect to China and her leadership, whilst he loves his own country too. Reading his posts is pretty enjoyable and so is discussing different, wide-ranging issues with him, to be frank. He's obviously an enrichment to the community and the PDF staff didn't promote him to a TTA just for fun, eh?
 
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@XiaoYaoZi Please bear in mind that @Nihonjin1051 loves Chinese culture and shows respect to China and her leadership, whilst he loves his own country too. Reading his posts is pretty enjoyable and so is discussing different, wide-ranging issues with him, to be frank. He's obviously an enrichment to the community and the PDF staff didn't promote him to a TTA just for fun, eh?

你让我脸红 ~~!!!

你总让我微笑, @rugering
 
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@XiaoYaoZi Please bear in mind that @Nihonjin1051 loves Chinese culture and shows respect to China and her leadership, whilst he loves his own country too. Reading his posts is pretty enjoyable and so is discussing different, wide-ranging issues with him, to be frank. He's obviously an enrichment to the community and the PDF staff didn't promote him to a TTA just for fun, eh?

No i disagree, anybody that says something tht isnt to the liking of some ultra nationalistic chinese members here is a foreign devil and any Chinese who dares agree with a japanese (of all people)on any subject about China is a traitor to the nation. :china::coffee:
 
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@mike2000 is back: So you're a radical hawk, eh? But you know that amicable China-Japan relations are essential for the prosperity, security and stability of the Asia-Pacific region, if not the entire world, don't you? Even Putin congratulated Obama on the Independence Day in spite of frosty Russa-US relations, for it is in the hands of both powers to ensure the security of the world too.
 
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