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Occupying land and doing suicide attacks are quite different things tho.

Maybe if Turkish army was also fighting with nearly 200,000 terrorists equipped with TOWs, mortars, tanks, all kinds of heavy weapons and artillery, it would lose land too. Not going to defend SAA performance, they screwed up so bad in many cases, but still, they are fighting on tens of fronts simultaneously, in different parts of country, while suffering from old equipment, man shortage etc.

Heck, Turkish army has been fighting PKK in streets of some of its southeastern towns and the fight has not ended yet after 8 months. I can imagine what it would be like if PKK (whose numbers in Turkey is literally nothing compared to those in Syria) had unlimited access to TOWs, hundreds of 23mm guns mounted on Toyotas, hundreds of suicide bombers with 1 ton explosive trucks, unlimited number of short range rockets and artillery etc. Actually PKK in Turkey is just a shadow of what ISIS and other terrorists are in Syria, barely even a shadow, and yet, you know how hard it is to fight a guerrilla warfare with these groups.

Though I understand Turkish army has much better training and equipment, still SAA can not always be blamed as it is now stretched in tens of fronts fighting tens of thousands of heavily armed terrorists.
 
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Maybe if Turkish army was also fighting with nearly 200,000 terrorists
You should ask yourself why more Syrians are willing to fight against Assad than for Assad. And why nothing like this happening in Turkey.

tanks, all kinds of heavy weapons and artillery,
All rebel tanks, heavy weapons and artillery were captured from Assad.

had unlimited access to TOWs
lolwut? In best periods they had some 50 TOWs a month, now Obama stopped all TOW supplies.

unlimited number of short range rockets and artillery etc.
lul. If they had unlimited number of artillery and short range rockets why they are firing cooking gas canisters for gods sake?

still SAA can not always be blamed as it is now stretched in tens of fronts
Indeed, Alawite when force trying to subjugate 18 million Sunnis. That's complicated.

Israel defense ministers prefers ISIS to Assad/Iran. Just further concreting what we already know. No wonder Israelis cheer them on so much.

Ya'alon: In choice between Iran and ISIS, I prefer ISIS - Israel News, Ynetnews
Both ISIS and IRI are fanatical regimes ruled by crazy guys in black turbans.
Both openly support terror.
Both publicly execute people.
The only difference between ISIS a IRI is that ISIS does not starve kids.
 
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Both ISIS and IRI are fanatical regimes ruled by crazy guys in black turbans.
Both openly support terror.
Both publicly execute people.
The only difference between ISIS a IRI is that ISIS does not starve kids.

What he means by Iran is Assad. They have equated Assad with Iran and we both know he's secular and is none of the above, he just happens to align with Iran on a few things. If you are equating Assad with Iran, then you might as well equate him with Russia.

You are trying to hard nowadays to bend over backwards to compare Iran to IS... simplistic at best and downright deceptive at worst. In that case we can say KSA and Iran are just the same right?

Answer me a simple question who is more similar to ISIS? KSA or Iran?
 
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Maybe if Turkish army was also fighting with nearly 200,000 terrorists equipped with TOWs, mortars, tanks, all kinds of heavy weapons and artillery, it would lose land too. Not going to defend SAA performance, they screwed up so bad in many cases, but still, they are fighting on tens of fronts simultaneously, in different parts of country, while suffering from old equipment, man shortage etc.

Heck, Turkish army has been fighting PKK in streets of some of its southeastern towns and the fight has not ended yet after 8 months. I can imagine what it would be like if PKK (whose numbers in Turkey is literally nothing compared to those in Syria) had unlimited access to TOWs, hundreds of 23mm guns mounted on Toyotas, hundreds of suicide bombers with 1 ton explosive trucks, unlimited number of short range rockets and artillery etc. Actually PKK in Turkey is just a shadow of what ISIS and other terrorists are in Syria, barely even a shadow, and yet, you know how hard it is to fight a guerrilla warfare with these groups.

Though I understand Turkish army has much better training and equipment, still SAA can not always be blamed as it is now stretched in tens of fronts fighting tens of thousands of heavily armed terrorists.
Not gonna comment on SAA performance since im ignorant on the issue but that Turkish army needs time to clean pkk from populated areas is normal since its operating with pinpoint accuracy without air bombardment so that the collateral damage is limited.
Otherwise it is much more capable to bomb cities than SAA, a lot more, but thats the key difference between Turkey and Syria.

Even in this video the commanders says to shoot them in their legs, and not to kill them.



Thats how you operate in populated areas, carpet bombing with foreign help is easy but to care for civilians while fighting terrorists thats the art that needs to be mastered which is being done very well by Turkish Army, the number of civilian casualities on the side of Turkish Army despite month long fightings prove that.
Your comparison is laughable to say the least.
 
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death rains from above


rebels in Latakia shrunk more

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A rebel armored column was attacked and destroyed by a Russian airstrike.



a Russian ground grunt and a T-72B tank near Palmyra

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why is it only carrying two bombs?? wouldn't it be more efficient to carry like 8 per sortie (fab-250) :devil:


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Maybe if Turkish army was also fighting with nearly 200,000 terrorists equipped with TOWs, mortars, tanks, all kinds of heavy weapons and artillery, it would lose land too. Not going to defend SAA performance, they screwed up so bad in many cases, but still, they are fighting on tens of fronts simultaneously, in different parts of country, while suffering from old equipment, man shortage etc.

If foreign funding and illegal incomes to FSA was cut, they'll be gone within a month. But of course AKP is here to be blamed also.

Heck, Turkish army has been fighting PKK in streets of some of its southeastern towns and the fight has not ended yet after 8 months.

First rule of warfare history bro, the conditions on a equal basis is alsa a factor.

- PKK doesn't have RoE forced to obey.
- PKK has nothing to loose of a house was broken into, hit by an RPG or whether they kill a local civilian.

-We have orders and RoE to obey coming from a high command.

- Despite the irony that PKK feels comfortable of killing their own brethen, the local civilians are only collateral damage for them, to us they are our civilians. Even of the fact that Gendarmerie SF is taking the lead in the operations, we are talking about urban warfare here and yet I see no country armed forces that has succeeded a battle on the streets. But of course I am not worshipping here nor finding these as an excuse.

These operations are planned for short/medium terms because of the past policy of the government. Now imagine taking over a town full of barricades trapped and each is full of IEDs and trenches positioned by snipers.

Well this doesn't only require hell of a long term planning but also an all out struggle against terror which includes every single government agency once the security is guaranteed.
 
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What he means by Iran is Assad. They have equated Assad with Iran and we both know he's secular and is none of the above, he just happens to align with Iran on a few things. If you are equating Assad with Iran, then you might as well equate him with Russia.

You are trying to hard nowadays to bend over backwards to compare Iran to IS... simplistic at best and downright deceptive at worst. In that case we can say KSA and Iran are just the same right?

Answer me a simple question who is more similar to ISIS? KSA or Iran?
Assad is an Iranian puppet. Hezbollah and Iraqi mercenaries in Syria who execute blockades follow direct Iranian orders.


Russia bombs Assad's fuel storage facility:

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Wikimapia - Let's describe the whole world!


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What has the Muslim Ummah come to?

Really pathetic, and beyond words.

If in 2001, it was the fault of the Crusaders and the Western alliance, today in 2016, it is largely the fault of the Muslim Ummah that we fail to be united in mission, in purpose, in vision, and in belief.

It may be unpopular and probably politically incorrect to say so in the Western world where this forum is registered, but the sad truth is, not all races are equal, and since Muslims are primarily low IQ races today (in 2016) hailing from the Middle East, Central Asia, Africa, South Asia and South East Asia, the Muslim world cannot produce a single, independent geopolitical power worthy of mention (e.g. deserving of a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council, independent military industry capable of producing and designing all requisite 'modern' strategic weapons, a strong [ e.g. top 5] science and technology producing country, a strong [e.g. top 5] economy, a strong industrial [e.g. top 5 by value added of industrial sector] power]and such), and thus, when the time for reckoning came, the Muslim Ummah collectively is 'caught with its pants down' in a sense.

The theory of lower IQ amongst certain races (and higher IQs amongst other races, on average) is amply illustrated by the fact that non-Muslim natives of regions where the Muslims mostly hail from are also equally daft. The non-Muslim Africans, Hindus, Latin Americans, South East Asians, or Middle Easterners have not really set the world alight with their performances in any unbiased and objective indicators of intelligence either.

Out of all the competing theories out there, unfortunately, this theory (of different IQs of different races) may hold the most relevance for explaining the Muslim world's current situation, and why the situation is not uniformly bad/good across the Muslim world.

Best wishes and prayers for our Syrian brothers and sisters including many millions of innocent children.
 
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Great to see that in a single day 70+ isis members died in their failed offensive in Deir Ezzor, I'm wishing for more deaths for isis members in the coming days. :smitten:
 
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The Christian site was completely razed near Daesh-occupied Mosul in northern Iraq.

The historic St. Elijah monastery, situated on a hill near Mosul and dating from the 6th century, was razed by Daesh in late 2014, following the occupation of the area by the terrorist organization, Associated Press reportedon Wednesday.


“I can’t describe my sadness,” Father Paul Thabit Habib commented. “Our Christian history in Mosul is being barbarically leveled. We see it as an attempt to expel us from Iraq, eliminating and finishing our existence in this land.”

Dayr Mar Elia (Saint Elijah's Monastery), #Iraq's oldest Christian monastery destroyed by #ISIS, dating back to 595. pic.twitter.com/qJx3lKt2I6

— IraqiSuryani (@IraqiSuryani1) January 20, 2016
Satellite images released by AP show that the ancient monastery has been completely demolished.

Another dagger to Middle Eastern Christians' heart: Oldest Christian monastery in Iraq reduced to rubble by ISIS. pic.twitter.com/XB8yXvd0m2

— Serge (@Zinvor) January 20, 2016

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Daesh Phenomenon: World Faces ‘New Kind of Ideological Islamic Fascism'
Over 100 historic sites are thought to have been destroyed by Daesh extremists. Christians in Iraq and Syria have been systematically persecuted, their properties expropriated and lives put under constant threat as a result of the violent extremist group. Some Christians have been executed for their faith.


In Syria, militants from Daesh blew up the Church of the Virgin Mary in northeast of the country on Easter Sunday 2015.



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Palmyra Arch Suffering Daesh Demolition to Be 3D-Printed in UK, US
Daesh is notorious for destructive rampages against both Christian and Muslim holy sites, destroying churches and mosques across occupied areas, along with ancient and historically-significant heritage sites. Not evengraveyards have been safe from extermination. In February 2015, Daesh militants in the Syrian city of Tel Hermosa, in the Hasakah province, destroyed one of country’s oldest churches. In March 2015, Daesh terrorists destroyed a 15th century Catholic monastery in the Iraqi city of Mosul; earlier, extremists in Mosul burned a church constructed in the 3rd Century.


The UK-based charity Aid to the Church in Need issued a worrying report to the British House of Lords last fall, warning that Christianity in Iraq and Syria would be gravely threatened, if not entirely extinguished, by 2020, if Daesh is not stopped.



Read more: Daesh Barbarians Destroy 1,400-Year-Old Christian Monastery in Iraq

The Christian site was completely razed near Daesh-occupied Mosul in northern Iraq.

The historic St. Elijah monastery, situated on a hill near Mosul and dating from the 6th century, was razed by Daesh in late 2014, following the occupation of the area by the terrorist organization, Associated Press reportedon Wednesday.


“I can’t describe my sadness,” Father Paul Thabit Habib commented. “Our Christian history in Mosul is being barbarically leveled. We see it as an attempt to expel us from Iraq, eliminating and finishing our existence in this land.”

Dayr Mar Elia (Saint Elijah's Monastery), #Iraq's oldest Christian monastery destroyed by #ISIS, dating back to 595. pic.twitter.com/qJx3lKt2I6

— IraqiSuryani (@IraqiSuryani1) January 20, 2016
Satellite images released by AP show that the ancient monastery has been completely demolished.

Another dagger to Middle Eastern Christians' heart: Oldest Christian monastery in Iraq reduced to rubble by ISIS. pic.twitter.com/XB8yXvd0m2

— Serge (@Zinvor) January 20, 2016

1018082354.jpg

Daesh Phenomenon: World Faces ‘New Kind of Ideological Islamic Fascism'
Over 100 historic sites are thought to have been destroyed by Daesh extremists. Christians in Iraq and Syria have been systematically persecuted, their properties expropriated and lives put under constant threat as a result of the violent extremist group. Some Christians have been executed for their faith.


In Syria, militants from Daesh blew up the Church of the Virgin Mary in northeast of the country on Easter Sunday 2015.



1026375307.jpg

Palmyra Arch Suffering Daesh Demolition to Be 3D-Printed in UK, US
Daesh is notorious for destructive rampages against both Christian and Muslim holy sites, destroying churches and mosques across occupied areas, along with ancient and historically-significant heritage sites. Not evengraveyards have been safe from extermination. In February 2015, Daesh militants in the Syrian city of Tel Hermosa, in the Hasakah province, destroyed one of country’s oldest churches. In March 2015, Daesh terrorists destroyed a 15th century Catholic monastery in the Iraqi city of Mosul; earlier, extremists in Mosul burned a church constructed in the 3rd Century.


The UK-based charity Aid to the Church in Need issued a worrying report to the British House of Lords last fall, warning that Christianity in Iraq and Syria would be gravely threatened, if not entirely extinguished, by 2020, if Daesh is not stopped.



Read more: Daesh Barbarians Destroy 1,400-Year-Old Christian Monastery in Iraq

Great to see that in a single day 70+ isis members died in their failed offensive in Deir Ezzor, I'm wishing for more deaths for isis members in the coming days. :smitten:

Amen! :agree:
 
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