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But the coalition ground invasion will, I have been saying this for years now, yet nobody listens. So for now you should shush and respect your Arabian Overlords.
Shush? Are you kidding me? You think that the coalition save the US, the British and the French are really scaring ISIS...In a week they will be done with Baghdad, in another week or two they will be at your door step!
If the Americans and their Nato two allies wanted to stop ISIS, they will have done it. ISIS is a proxy army, they role is to remodel the Middle east...The minute the job is done, they will like other before them, they will make them disappear...And please do't use overlord to your tribe, you are the laughing stock of the world...Stay on land with us, the earthlings...
 
Shush? Are you kidding me? You think that the coalition save the US, the British and the French are really scaring ISIS...In a week they will be done with Baghdad, in another week or two they will be at your door step!
If the Americans and their Nato two allies wanted to stop ISIS, they will have done it. ISIS is a proxy army, they role is to remodel the Middle east...The minute the job is done, they will like other before them, they will make them disappear...And please do't use overlord to your tribe, you are the laughing stock of the world...Stay on land with us, the earthlings...

They have to deal with Iraqi Shias, Assad loyalists, Lebanese Hezbollah, Iraqi Kurds, Syrian Kurds first. And Jordan in between.

That gives Saudis at least 2-3 years to prepare. Not a thing to worry about, imo.
 
Shush? Are you kidding me? You think that the coalition save the US, the British and the French are really scaring ISIS...In a week they will be done with Baghdad, in another week or two they will be at your door step!
If the Americans and their Nato two allies wanted to stop ISIS, they will have done it. ISIS is a proxy army, they role is to remodel the Middle east...The minute the job is done, they will like other before them, they will make them disappear...And please do't use overlord to your tribe, you are the laughing stock of the world...Stay on land with us, the earthlings...
air strikes doesnt work they need to ground operation so they have to deal some groups
 
They have to deal with Iraqi Shias, Assad loyalists, Lebanese Hezbollah, Iraqi Kurds, Syrian Kurds first. And Jordan in between.

That gives Saudis at least 2-3 years to prepare. Not a thing to worry about, imo.
I hate to tell you that your wrong in your assessment...Just give a look to the map...The US, the French and the Brits are keeping ISIS away from the kurdish areas...The first time, they covered Baghdad was a day or two ago by unleashing the Apaches...That's will give time to their Embassy to pack and get the non essentials out of Iraq...This is the remake of the last day of Saigon...
 
I am reading contradictory news about Kobane: i mean some say thousand civilians still there, some say almost nobody there for a time (only fighters)
someone found a trustable source to know still who is there?
 
Firefight in the streets of Diyarbakir.

From now on, any PKK sympathizer is legit target.

Many targets you have there

Dersim central police station

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I am reading contradictory news about Kobane: i mean some say thousand civilians still there, some say almost nobody there for a time (only fighters)
someone found a trustable source to know still who is there?

there are still civilians there, family members of martyrs who doesn't want to leave.
 
I hate to tell you that your wrong in your assessment...Just give a look to the map...The US, the French and the Brits are keeping ISIS away from the kurdish areas...The first time, they covered Baghdad was a day or two ago by unleashing the Apaches...That's will give time to their Embassy to pack and get the non essentials out of Iraq...This is the remake of the last day of Saigon...

For how long?
 
Shush? Are you kidding me? You think that the coalition save the US, the British and the French are really scaring ISIS...In a week they will be done with Baghdad, in another week or two they will be at your door step!
If the Americans and their Nato two allies wanted to stop ISIS, they will have done it. ISIS is a proxy army, they role is to remodel the Middle east...The minute the job is done, they will like other before them, they will make them disappear...And please do't use overlord to your tribe, you are the laughing stock of the world...Stay on land with us, the earthlings...

I am actually counting on it, ISIS paved a way for a multilateral intervention in Syria and Iraq, a place where Irani influence was the status quo, right now the status is pretty much not quo, its not quo at all, and if things proceed as they are you will as you cleverly said remodel the Middle East, and the image that it will have will be vastly different than the one you saw yesterday.

And please do learn to debate in a civil manner, even if you are a Barbarian it is still not an excuse.
 
No no, Saudi Arabia is not a non-existent Berberian state where there are no men to defend it from rape or harassment. You get to be careful my friend ISIL is not France, they are much more savage in treating Berbers. Anyway, you're not affected by this mess as long as you live in the US to afford living. Have a nice day sweety :)
You need some magnifying glasses my cutie...ISIS , after they get thru with your panhandling state, they will go thru the Sauds like a hot knife thru margarin...You don't need to worry about Berbers, their territory is still un-molested and it will be kept that way...And for your ISIS, ask them why they fled from Tripoli to Benghazi...
 
Kurdish-Arab Rebel Alliance May be Key to Obama’s Syrian Strategy
BY MUTLU CIVIROGLU AND WLADIMIR VAN WILGENBURG


Now that the anti-ISIS coalition has struck Raqqa in Syria, it must seriously consider the Kurds as its most effective on the ground partners. The Obama administration needs local partners in Iraq and Syria to fight against the jihadist group, the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS, ISIL, or the Islamic State) if it hopes to maintain any gains resulting from its attacks on ISIS positions. A spokesperson of the main Kurdish armed group in Syria highlighted the importance of Kurdish assets. “Whoever wants to destroy ISIS should take YPG into consideration. Let me say clearly that any strategy in Syria without YPG is doomed to fail,” the People’s Protection Units (YPG) spokesperson Polat Can said in our interview with him. Given the Kurds’ extensive experience and professionalism, they represent the best the best chance to revitalize a beleaguered Syrian resistance and help President Obama achieve his objectives.

In his September 10 speech, President Obama ruled out the Assad regime as a partner in fighting ISIS and emphasized strengthening the Syrian opposition. “We must strengthen the opposition as the best counterweight to extremists like ISIL, while pursuing the political solution necessary to solve Syria’s crisis once and for all,” he said. While admirable that the president choose not to work with a man whose preferred strategy involves bombing his own civilian population, it leaves a dearth of effective partners on the ground. However, in Syria—just as in Iraq—cooperation between Kurds and Arabs could play a key role in eliminating ISIS. US Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempseyrecognized the fact that Kurds constitute an important part of Obama’s new strategy to fight ISIS.

Although Iraq has witnessed firsthand the effects of ISIS-induced instability, neighboring Syria has suffered far more with the advances and atrocities of the extremist group. ISIS has succeeded in wiping out many Syrian nationalist armed groups that comprise the bulk of moderate anti-Assad opposition. Both the moderate Free Syrian Army (FSA) and the Kurds have faced attacks by ISIS, leading to incredibly large refugee flows into Turkey. Nonetheless, the Kurdish YPG forces— the armed wing of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party(PYD) in Syria—have successfully fought ISIS and won most of its battles in both Iraq and Syria. Not only was the YPG an asset in the rescue operation for thousands of Yezidis fleeing from Iraq’s Sinjar, it also secured a wide area in northern Syria from the Kurdish city of Afrin to Yarubiya, a town border to Iraq, despite the extremist push against Kurdish villages. These regions maintain relative stability compared to other parts of Syria, allowing Kurds, Arabs, and Christians to live peacefully together, thanks in large part to the ability of the YPG to keep a modicum of security.

Western diplomats have traditionally been reluctant to meet the PYD for their ties to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), viewed as a terrorist group in the United States and Turkey. After successful operations against ISIS extremists, however, both countries have begun reevaluating their positions towards it. The Wall Street Journal reported that US officials recognize the fact that Kurdish fighters in Syria may play a critical role in the campaign against ISIS, and have conducted talks with Syrian Kurds. The success of the YPG also prompted Turkish journalist Amberin Zaman to write about how the fight against ISIS has given the YPG and the PKK more legitimacy.

For their part, the Syrian Kurds have not only expressed interest and enthusiasm in pursuing Obama strategy against ISIS, they have already laid the groundwork for cooperation with Syrian nationalists. In an interview with Voice of America (VOA), YPG Spokesman Polat Can said, “We are the most experienced military force fighting against IS, and we are willing to actively participate in the international coalition. We are currently meeting many countries on this issue including with those who are decision makers.” As the YPG continue its fight against ISIS on several fronts, it hosted a former rival on August 22. FSA Colonel Abdul Jabbar al-Oqaidi sought to mend fences with the Kurds by meeting YPG commander with General Commander of YPG Sipan Hemo in the Kurdish city of Afrin, north of Aleppo. Al-Oqaidi, the former head of the FSA’s military council in Aleppo, initially angered the Kurds by fightingjointly with Islamist groups against the Kurds in Aleppo. The FSA said it attacked the YPG for supporting Assad. Kurds allege this led to the killing of nineteen Kurdish civilians and the kidnapping of at least 400 others by the various rebel groups.

But in January last year, alliances started to change, when the Free Syrian Army clashed with ISIS, and lost huge swaths of territory in Syria, including Raqqa and the oil fields in Deir Ezzor. This led new cooperation between rebel groups and the Kurds, resulting in an agreement between the YPG and the Ahl as-Sham operation room in April last year to fight ISIS in Aleppo, and to cooperate against Assad. On August 22, al-Oqaidi and an FSA-delegation apologized for the FSA’s past mistakes, saying that Kurds, Christians, and Arabs, should work for the overthrow of the Syrian regime. “We want to work with the Syrian National Coalition (SNC) and the FSA if they accept the rights of Kurdish people and correct past mistakes,” Hemo said in a video. In an exclusive interview, the Defense Minister of local Afrin Canton government Abdo Chilo, who took part in the meeting between the YPG and the FSA in Afrin, also told the Atlantic Council that the FSA wants to open a new page with the Kurds. “We told him we accepted his apology and we valued his visit. He realizes the power of YPG and wants closer relations with us, something we have long desired as well.”

The Kurds appear ready to fight alongside any secular group that will work for a pluralistic and democratic Syria against ISIS and the Assad regime. “We value Oqaidi’s visit and his request of help from YPG. It shows his willingness to work and create something good. We are ready to form a joint front with FSA and work against IS thugs and the brutal Assad regime,” Chilo added. YPG spokesman Polat Can told Turkey’s daily Radikal that they are ready to work with anyone who is willing to fight against ISIS. “It has been over two years that we have been fighting against ISIS and like-minded extremist groups. We are keen on collaborating with moderate that respect to democracy, human rights and accept our national rights as Kurds.”

This historic meeting signifies a major starting point for effective cooperation against ISIS as well as the Assad regime. The meeting led to the formation of anew joint FSA-YPG operations room named “Euphrates Volcano” on September 10 in Kobane, which will carry out operations in areas surrounding Kobane, including the ISIS-stronghold of Raqqah. One day after its formation, the joint operation room carried out its first attack against ISIS in Qara Qawzak. Abdurrahman Saleh, a spokesperson for ISIS, confirmed in our interview with him an alliance between Syrian anti-Assad rebels and Kurds, but suggested it to be a local alliance rather than a cohesive policy. “Some battalions of al-Tawheed brigade in Aleppo cooperate with the YPG against ISIS, but I do not know if this is a general decision, or a specific case. It may be a local agreement, rather than an overall strategy,” he said.

The new rebel alliance between the Kurds and the FSA could provide a determining factor to stop the expansion of the ISIS caliphate. If the FSA and the YPG can maintain a joint front, it will likely have a major impact on the success of fight both the militant group and the Assad regime in the longer run. The YPG, with its experienced and skilled fighters and strong popular support can provide a morale boost for the secular and moderate Syrian opposition and be a determining factor in preventing ISIS expansion in Syria. For Obama and the anti-ISIS coalition, keeping the Kurds incentivized to be their boots on the ground will be the key to fighting this war.

Wladimir van Wilgenburg is an analyst of Kurdish politics for the Jamestown Foundation and a contributing writer for Al-Monitor.

Mutlu Civiroglu is a Washington, DC based-journalist and Kurdish affairs analyst focusing on Syria and Turkey. He has been closely monitoring YPG's fight against IS and other jihadist groups. You can follow him on Twitter @mutludc.
 
And please do learn to debate in a civil manner, even if you are a Barbarian it is still not an excuse.
When you throw shit, I'll send you flies...I am always civil with civil and caca with caca...

Going back to the subject, they will be no boots on the ground, unless they are from the Turkey and the GCC...Turkey has her limitations due to a stability issue with the Kurds...You have the similar limitations with Shia Saudi, and your west front was overtaken by the Shia Houthis. So if the Sauds think that Iran is their sources of problems, you are being outflanked...So I doubt sincerely that KSA will send troops to Iraq or Syria to root out ISIS..
 

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